DBZ: Cell Games [Over]

[Guillotina]

Sorry, when I say we,
I mean everybody but me.

And me.

So they didn't throw our game but they scum sided, they decided to block Mastina's chances of survival, rendering titus sacrifice to clear her useless as well. It's the same as claiming scum in my opinion.

[Bell]

Is an area of effect mass cancelation ability like that, that does not stop the scum team from performing a night kill a scum role or a town role usually?

What are you talking about?

Sounds like a scum role though, like usually scum power roles just counter town power roles, and town roles are much more powerful

All actives have been temporarily disabled for tonight!

oh, I missed this. This makes sense. Yeah this seems scum

Sigh. Wifom.

This explains a lot for me actually

They are at best a survivor and at worst scum

Either way, it's very unlikely that they can roleblock everybody a second time, power wise

Proceed as desired

These two posts bother me.

@finral.

[Bell]

I could see me being wrong quite easily here tho.

So I won't fight for it.

[Guillotina]

Oil, ur actions speak as though ur scum siding.

also u decided to use ur ability that negatively impacts town the most when we had an IC? Why?

Had to use it eventually in order to win. Figured that getting it out of the way early was the best bet - expected there to be more significant power other than an IC hanging around.

Ok so you are saying that when we had some clarity after a long contested day 1, you guys decided it was better to roleblock all of us? You guys didnt think, “oh crap, mastina would die if we blocked someone trying to protect a locked town clear?” Really?

Nah, you guys chose to survive with scum back then and now that you guys are nominated, you are trying to get in our good graces by coming clean, you should have come clean before getting nominated! Nah! You made your casket now lay in it.

[Bell]

This really wasn't the play to get in our good graces.
It really isn't the play from any alignment or role except jester really.
it's confusing.

[Bell]

Town gone get mad at 3p for killing mastina who would have been helpful.
Scum ain't standing up for 3p.
If they're scum, it doesn't alter their fate to claim 3p.

[Bell]

I guess maybe oil didn't enjoy the 3p aspect of the game?

Also if you guys could not go back to these strings of posts and say I'm scum for them later my tired eye rolling eyes would appreciate it.

[Guillotina]

This really wasn't the play to get in our good graces.
It really isn't the play from any alignment or role except jester really.
it's confusing.

Town gone get mad at 3p for killing mastina who would have been helpful.
Scum ain't standing up for 3p.
If they're scum, it doesn't alter their fate to claim 3p.

I'm sorry Bell, what is the point you are trying to make here? No we are clear?

[Guillotina]

So we are clear**

[Bell]

I'm trying to understand why they would claim this as any alignment under the sun.
I guess it's a question to ask them post game if they wouldn't mind.

TBF, their play perfectly enapsulates third party survivor in that they tried (and I don't really know if I agree with this approach but whatever) to appear slightly scummy, but not TOO scummy.

Syrana and Naho an town it up if they want to.
Like I said they could have shed their own wagon earlier but they didn't.
It would make sense for them not too town it up too hard, while not scumming it up too hard as survivor.


I guess I'm evaluating whether their claim is true and what that means.

I guess the scum team get another day? and nk if we eliminate them.

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Flea

[Bell]

Our position doesn't improve if we eliminate them and they aren't scum.
Is my opinion.

[Bell]

Are we going to ask flea to blow themselves up to kill Oil?

[Bell]

Seems like a damned if we do, damned if they don't type situation.

Though I'm also confused why there would be a vegeta equivalent along with already a universal back up.

[Bell]

Ah.
I see.
I have an idea.

I'll talk about it when we get closer. to an elimination.

[Bell]

I would appreciate it if no one hammered flea if that's gunna happen.
until I make a request.

[Bell]

I want to see how others respond to oil's claim first.

[Bell]

Which I guess means just Nerocain and cookie.

[Guillotina]

I'm trying to understand why they would claim this as any alignment under the sun.
I guess it's a question to ask them post game if they wouldn't mind.

TBF, their play perfectly enapsulates third party survivor in that they tried (and I don't really know if I agree with this approach but whatever) to appear slightly scummy, but not TOO scummy.

Syrana and Naho an town it up if they want to.
Like I said they could have shed their own wagon earlier but they didn't.
It would make sense for them not too town it up too hard, while not scumming it up too hard as survivor.


I guess I'm evaluating whether their claim is true and what that means.

I guess the scum team get another day? and nk if we eliminate them.

In other words you are saying that they tried to get null read? Enough not to get yeeted and enough not to get night killed?

If the claim is true, do you think they deserve a second chance? can we trust them? they can win with either party so they will serve whoever is more beneficial to them. If we are in danger of losing, they will aid scum once again to grab a comfortable win. You get what I'm saying?

[Bell]

I do get what you're saying.
But I also know we lose ground if they're a 3p because then scum then get to nk essentially for free this day phase.
without losing one of their own.

I think that making some kind of bargain with them if they're third party is a good idea.
But there's no way for us to make them keep their word. So you are correct.

It's up to them to come to the table to make an agreeable arrangement in my opinion.

[Guillotina]

I do get what you're saying.
But I also know we lose ground if they're a 3p because then scum then get to nk essentially for free this day phase.
without losing one of their own.

I think that making some kind of bargain with them if they're third party is a good idea.
But there's no way for us to make them keep their word. So you are correct.

It's up to them to come to the table to make an agreeable arrangement in my opinion.

What sort of agreement would be acceptable for you? Say they come to the table with a blank document, what would you write on it?

[Bell]

Pretty much they're not getting out of this phase without cooperating with the town.
But the second they survive, they have no obligation to help us.
Except by telling them if they don't send the ability enhanceer to a pool of the towniest players, we would eliminate them next day phase.

But if we followed through with that we might as well have eliminated them early.

Likewise, there is no benefit for a protective role to help them.
So they are both constrained by us and the scum team's mercy.
Unless they have a bullet proof jacket, which, honestly they might I can't remember if they did in the anime.

[Bell]

A reporter wearing a bullet proof jacket would make a lot of sense with cell around tho.

[Bell]

I guess I would make a statement to send their ability boost to one of x, y, z players.
They will be informed of this since a boosted ability is a boosted ability.

If they go outside of xyz we eliminate them.

If they would find it acceptable I would appreciate it if they played like pseudo town and tried to hunt with us too. But I could understand if they would refuse for survival reasons.

This puts the onus on the scum team to deal with them which they might not be willing to do since a power booster isn't as dangerous as the players in the game with those powers and they self remove by deadline.

[Guillotina]

Pretty much they're not getting out of this phase without cooperating with the town.
But the second they survive, they have no obligation to help us.
Except by telling them if they don't send the ability enhanceer to a pool of the towniest players, we would eliminate them next day phase.

But if we followed through with that we might as well have eliminated them early.

Likewise, there is no benefit for a protective role to help them.
So they are both constrained by us and the scum team's mercy.
Unless they have a bullet proof jacket, which, honestly they might I can't remember if they did in the anime.

I think the positive report enhances all actives, i dont think they have a say in the matter about what actives are enhanced, so if i were to make them agree on something, i'd be to only use that ability late game, when we have killed a wolf or two? The problem is trusting, the problem is that once you break my trust, you don't get it back. I'm very “fool me once it's on you fool me twice it's on me” kind of guy. I tunnel hard and I see myself being paranoid about every move they make and every post they post, i would not stop seeing them as an enemy waiting for the right moment to stab us in the back again.

I know they don't belong our faction but i feel betrayed and well, there is also something i've always believed and is that anyone that is mot town, is scum.