TM 2021 Large Normal: OEIS Mafia (Part Two Is Out)

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A002385: Palindromic primes: prime numbers whose decimal expansion is a palindrome.

2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 101, 131, 151, 181, 191, 313, 353, 373, 383, 727, 757, 787, 797, 919, 929, 10301, 10501, 10601, 11311, 11411, 12421, 12721, 12821, 13331, 13831, 13931, 14341, 14741, 15451, 15551, 16061, 16361, 16561, 16661, 17471, 17971, 18181

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Vote Count 1.7

AGar

(8): Titus, unwnd, Cephrir, OkaPoka, Dannflor, DrippingGoofball, Albert B. Rampage, Ythan

Winter Flakes

(2): hercule, JacksonVirgo

the worst

(1): Hopkirk

Ythan

(1): Almost50

JacksonVirgo

(1): the worst

innocentvillager

(1): Dunnstral

OkaPoka

(1): innocentvillager

Cephrir

(1): AGar

Almost50

(1): Winter Flakes

Not Voting

(1): Xtoxm

With 18 alive, it takes 10 votes to eliminate. Deadline is set for January 29, 5:00 PM PST, in (expired on 2021-01-29 21:00:00).

[innocentvillager]

who are the people between your townreads and null pile?

everyone i didn't mention

{Xtoxm, ABR, Hopkirk, Ythan, the worst, Dannflor, JacksonVirgo, Almost50}

[the worst]

yeah I kinda.. didnt register that part of 811
I think I was subconsciously waiting for him to continue and ended up just closing the plot point in my brain

[the worst]

who are the people between your townreads and null pile?

everyone i didn't mention

{Xtoxm, ABR, Hopkirk, Ythan, the worst, Dannflor, JacksonVirgo, Almost50}

why are xtoxm, ABR, JV and I above rand?
why are hopkirk and dannflor not townreads?

[Hopkirk]

if i don't have scumreads and ive given my townreads and my nullpile, any guesses on where the rest of you are?

(ok, ok, varying degrees of townleans)

ooh i read this as scumleans first time

[Hopkirk]

can you explain JV, A50, TW?
also xtoxm i guess

[the worst]

oh yeah A50 is a better read to explain than ABR I guess

[innocentvillager]

again multitasking which is why this took so long

Hopkirk is close to a townread but he is not at the level of unwnd or hercule for me. i get the feeling he's just a good player which makes me paranoid of his scumrange. honestly my eyes glaze over his posting (potentially not ideal) but the vibe I get is that it looks like he's being helpful and engaging everyone in an effort to understand what's going on. if he's establishing himself to push an agenda i have a feeling we'll see it later but im very okay having this slot around for now.

JacksonVirgo - mostly a tonal read. i don't love 526 or 533 but the posts i thought were +town are: 534, 597, 598, 599, 647, 648. it's hard to explain it beyond just being openly frustrated and utterly not giving a shit about his thread perception which i have found in practice (in my anecdotal experience) to be a towntell for him.

A50 - this is like exactly the same as A50 in this one towngame we played and not at all how he played in this scumgame we did (granted he replaced in, which is different). there are moments like 112, 116, 619, 622 that ring eerily similar. "but it's just A50's playstyle!" you might say. okay sure maybe, that's why he's one of my weaker townleans i guess. also 737 is a really weird thing to post as scum but i obliged him since someone on my team thinks he can read him ok.

Xtoxm - unprompted and unpostury/interesting notes from Auro are good, i liked 642 for example. don't see an agenda from this slot, not postury, takes are pretty reasonable. other people townreading them too despite lack of content quantity which feels good. weaker townlean probably

TW - ill likely be revisiting this a lot bc im paranoid. here's the reasoning i gave earlier

rn it's leantown i think with the engagement and with the hinting on Datisi scumreading me so early (inside thing where town!Datisi has tunneled early town!me for two games in a row, i like that Datisi gave the read and the worst mentioned it unprompted). his entrance felt forced but on reread it's not bad. could be some confbiasing going on there so im conflicted, idk, im gonna just like worsty be a slow burn read for me.

and i think with your recent interaction with me im townreading you even more. i think your disengagement from this game is fine in the context of being busy and maybe even +town in a vacuum. also i think it's easy for scum!you to try and pocket me and you've done everything but engage with me and pocket me.

[innocentvillager]

oh Dannflor-

Dannflor as town i think was a pretty consensus take and i liked his entrance posting with some of his early thoughts, i haven't looked at him too much beyond that. i don't know his scumrange though and nothing he's done seems that hard to fake by good scum. there's also the fact that you called him out for being "overperformative" that influenced my read on him negatively a bit.

[AGar]

Disengaging with Ceph for now because the rest of my team thinks I'm way off here, I'll give them some credence right now.

UNVOTE:

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The ABR vote and feelers were specifically to maybe hopefully coax something out of ABR considering he's been the quietest person in this thread wrt what is few posts actually say.

I've learned how to play without taking over the game.

And I'm Dutch royalty.

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@Titus

If you really think that 81 was taking one of my *two* posts in good faith because I asked questions on page 2 and didn't vote in a fucking large, then I really can't help you any further.

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kind of amazed agar just dipped after that one post who does that

I do not live for mafia - I enjoy it but I've got plenty of other shit I'm going to pay attention to. I'm not even saying this as a meta thing, but it takes literally like two minutes to check my game threads and see that I'm not someone who checks in every 30 minutes and I'm somewhat of an infrequent poster if you hadn't

already picked that up by my posting habits so far

.

Still waiting on Agar to respond to my question.

Nothing stopping you from literally posting about anything else that has happened in this game while you wait.

Splitting into a second post, much to my own self-loathing, plz hold.

[Hopkirk]

@IV- if it helps you with your estimate of how good my scumplay is i'm currently sitting on a 3 year & 25-30 game townstreak (including offsite stuff). It's an amazing feeling because I like being town. Any scum meta is very much out of date because I didn't even joke around back then. That only really started when Hectic joined the site. I was kind of a tryhard back then which is ironic because i was worse at mafia too... i do play a lot of irl mafia though (currently online but similar concept)

did you ask your team anything about me? i've mentioned that around gypyx recently.

[innocentvillager]

oh man i am a sucker for convincing self meta arguments

[Hopkirk]

note to self to go through the posts you commenting on from jackson and follow up to see if i agree with what you're saying because i'm getting tired and have work tomorrow

[innocentvillager]

ive asked gypyx to give his thoughts on unwnd, agar and a50 in that order. he gave his read on unwnd and he's gonna get around to the other two later. i can put you next in the queue if you'd like

ico is still V/LA is sirius is ? not sure

pedit: yeah it's mostly just tonal idk im also probably worse at tonal reads than i think i am! lol

[Almost50]

@a50 - did you have an alt called jarjar (something?)

Nope. My alts are listed in my sig

[AGar]

Did a re-read of the entire game to flesh things out because I felt very very off, and as I read on, my reads just got more and more fucked.

Spoiler: Notes

Rereading from the start:
- Hercule early stuff feels a little tryhardish in retrospect?
- DGB's certainty/confidence feels unwarranted.
- worst early posting feels forced. idk. colored by the fact that his defense of me feels like an attempt to gain easy towncred. I like 138, I hate 141.
- A50's #102 and #105 read very nervous to me. 111 & 112 follow suit.
- dann 117 pings town for me.
- Dunn hopping onto IV after the worst/unwnd back and forth. This whole interaction stinks.
- dann 149 - paranoia. little townish. Wrong, but townish.
- dann 150 gets it. Does Titus respond?
- Oka's early game feels extremely brazen. I don't think scum would do this in a PL they're not familiar with as it's high risk play with little to no reward. They weren't getting any traction on anything, weren't getting recognized towncred. Just there.
- Hopkirk's #161 just feels aggravating and is the kind of thing that probably takes me off my balance. Prior posts were good but then this is just a pointless post, and he follows up by saying that it's pointless but deal with it. He's probably town, and I think I'm just prone to seeing shit like that as scumposting.
- Through 170, dunn seems to be the one I like best out of worst/unwnd/dunn trio.
- Slight weird voting trend onto worst that goes in the face of my reads but is worth noting. Could be nothing. Want to be able to come back to it later.
- Winter's entrance is very strong. Don't know how he arrives at some of those, but I know I like his later posting.
- Hopkirk/IV interactions are giving me townvibes on both. This is good.
- I just 100% disagree with unwnd in 243 & 256 and the soft implication that IV could be scum for what he is doing in those posts.
- Titus's posts here are weird in their straight ignorance of anything else related to the game. 260 is a useless complaint/performative "i'm doing stuff!". 262 is the worse of the two imo. Tries to tie it to something game related based on a read, slightly shades IV, then dips out using "well there can't be a hydra in this game, it's a normal" which is pretty easy scum not having to follow up on anything. 265 is just not necessary, again just boosting "hey look I'm trying to help." At this point, her one read (me) isn't posting, yet she's refusing to engage with anything else on more than a surface level. IV offers an answer to 262 in 264 and she ignores it. She has not responded to dann's 150 as of this point in time.
- 266 from unwnd gets thrown in the same bucket as 243 & 256.
- hercule 268 really trying hard to justify that Ythan SR. 283 also feelsbadman.
- Yeah this is where I'm full on scumreading unwnd. 291 is just... pointless?
- 295 is awkward.
- 321 stands out as a goodpost from unwnd, in contrast with literally everything else so far. Idk, the more I read this slot, the less I can make heads or tails of it. Fucking null for now I guess.
- 332 from DGB is very weird. I don't like hopkirk's busy work like the points spec either, but it's hard to call it game avoidance when hopkirk has been doing that stuff WHILE also engaging directly with the game.
- Yeah I'm pretty sure DGB tried to layer that one in there amidst other things. DGB's weird insistence on sticking with this line is very very scummy.
- 378... IV is town y'all.
- 405 is an admittedly good catch by Ceph.
- 414 is weird vibes from Ythan. First Ythan post I haven't liked tbh.
- 463 is off. Don't like it.
- I like Oka for town as the game has progressed.
I posted here. I was wagonned. The wagon, despite being on me, has made some sense based on my teammates sentiments. I actually think the comp is mostly town. I will prioritize Shea/Keely's read on Ceph over mine because they see objective thought processes and I clearly didn't but it's probably tinged by a strong bit of being at 8 votes.
- Xotxm in 521 is weird - "510 is an objectively good post" but no vote. Don't love that! Xtoxm has felt absent as fuck in this game.
- Winter on JV on page 22 is good. JV's response... not so much.
- Worst in 537 & 539 is weird. Didn't like it, nor did the team. Could be town, but feels very convenient for scum to say I'm town preempting the yeet to point back to.
- Not read related, but 542 is hilarious in the context of what's about to happen wrt my retort and ceph's response. Do you have a Patreon?
- Hey let's go back to Titus. 567 and 569 completely ignore literally everything that's happened since 267 when Titus last posted. 7 of Titus's 12 posts have centered around me. I've posted five times. Kinda weird, huh? Titus has focused on me and buddying up to ABR and that's almost entirely it.
- 578 is awkward from Hercule. Shea noted Hercule began at this point to post but completely avoid directly engaging with the most pressing thing in the thread and danced around it. Felt very weird to all of us how he did this.
- JV in 579 confirms my thoughts about the wagon being fairly town loaded. Feels very much like a scum player confident they can use a town flip to chain a couple yeets off of. 584 is a nothingburger trying to present itself as "I'm sorting!"
- 586 from Titus is weird. At no point did I suggest Titus and ABR in any connection. Very weird extrapolation to pull from any of my posts that I specifically wanted them to "turn on each other." I tried to get some votes on ABR, but didn't opine to Titus for those, and I strictly took one shot at Titus because of history. Again, never appealed to ABR to vote Titus (which would've been weird as I was voting him).
- A50 is weird and I can't get a handle on these posts. He feels very tunnel heavy in when he engages, like he gets blinders. Probably just null for now but the weirdness is a thing for sure!
- More skating from JV in 646-649.
- 667 is red flag. Completely off feel, but that is just a very scum type thing to say.
- Winter keying in again hard on people's thoughts of them. Seen this a couple times and don't love it. Overall towny, but less strong than other reads.
- 710 is yikes from hercule. Two of the people he was asked to read have ISOs that take 2 minutes to read, but he just pushed off giving reads on them with "I'll have to ISO them." Gave no original thought on Winter, passed the buck to teammates. went null on two others. Only two commitments he gave out of seven were a slight tr on worst with plenty of palm trees above it for that shade, and a tr on xtoxm that I literally cannot comprehend.
- C/P of my notes on 737 from earlier when I just read forward from my last post:
- A50's 737 is... I dunno. I don't like it, but I also just can't see the actual scum benefit to that, to put yourself under a microscope so willingly.
- 741 and 748 give me more of that tryhard vibe from Hercule.
- Trying to isolate myself out of 763. Outside of alignment, I generally feel like this is a push for urgency to yeet before the player can actually establish themselves. "Even if he flips town you have enough commitment represented by the votes." seems like the shit scum want to say to paper over a bad yeet. But I admit I'm biased, so I'm just gonna ask for a second set of eyes here.

Drawing out a few things. I have to unfortunately tie a lot of these to myself because, well, no one else has gotten the votes and is sitting at E-2, with someone else essentially saying I'm functionally at E-1.

Titus is almost certainly scum. Entire body of posting is just avoiding the actual game and clinging to hanging on to me, even though I've made next to no posts. Complete ignorance of almost everything else that has happened, aside from calling two posts town with zero elaboration. In the twelve posts there's some weirdness and a general lack of answers to "why would town do this?". From the notes:

Spoiler: Titus notes

- Titus's posts here are weird in their straight ignorance of anything else related to the game. 260 is a useless complaint/performative "i'm doing stuff!". 262 is the worse of the two imo. Tries to tie it to something game related based on a read, slightly shades IV, then dips out using "well there can't be a hydra in this game, it's a normal" which is pretty easy scum not having to follow up on anything. 265 is just not necessary, again just boosting "hey look I'm trying to help." At this point, her one read (me) isn't posting, yet she's refusing to engage with anything else on more than a surface level. IV offers an answer to 262 in 264 and she ignores it. She has not responded to dann's 150 as of this point in time.
- Hey let's go back to Titus. 567 and 569 completely ignore literally everything that's happened since 267 when Titus last posted. 7 of Titus's 12 posts have centered around me. I've posted five times. Kinda weird, huh? Titus has focused on me and buddying up to ABR and that's almost entirely it.
- 586 from Titus is weird. At no point did I suggest Titus and ABR in any connection. Very weird extrapolation to pull from any of my posts that I specifically wanted them to "turn on each other." I tried to get some votes on ABR, but didn't opine to Titus for those, and I strictly took one shot at Titus because of history. Again, never appealed to ABR to vote Titus (which would've been weird as I was voting him).

DGB is playing with an unusual confidence and some very weird pings. This read kind of works out to gut to some extent, but here's the notes.

Spoiler: DGB notes

- DGB's certainty/confidence feels unwarranted.
- 332 from DGB is very weird. I don't like hopkirk's busy work like the points spec either, but it's hard to call it game avoidance when hopkirk has been doing that stuff WHILE also engaging directly with the game.
- Yeah I'm pretty sure DGB tried to layer that one in there amidst other things. DGB's weird insistence on sticking with this line is very very scummy.
- 667 is red flag. Completely off feel, but that is just a very scum type thing to say.

To lesser scum leaning reads:
- JV has been doing some weird avoidance, dancing around and picking and choosing spots to engage. Has some ticks like 579 that basically confirm my thought that the wagon that erupted on me was largely town. Giving deference to shea/keely thinking I'm way off on Ceph. 579 felt like TMI and trying to set up a couple of yeets off of the back of my death.
- Hercule has this weird tryhard vibe going. He completely ignored the wagon on me for like... 200 posts, even as it was at the forefront of the game, but when pressed for a read on that largest wagon, he couldn't be fucked to read my 5 post ISO? First read on him leaned town off of some early stuff, but re-reading and later posting have killed that.
- Xtoxm's short ISO, I don't know how anyone is getting town vibes from it. 521 was weird in calling Ceph's vote and explanation on me as "objectively good" but neither voting me nor commenting on the wagon/my post itself, nor even mentioning me. More null than scum but don't love the slot and very confused by people calling the slot town.
- Concerned about worst's stance wrt me, feels very off and weird and like trying to get that credit. Not TMIing, but also don't love the vibe. Could be paranoia, but mild scumlean.

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Can someone else read 763 and tell me if it feels bad? I cannot separate my thoughts from the fact that I feel I would in fact be a bad yeet because I'm town and I have given very little to work with post-flip up until these last two posts. I go back and forth on unwnd in general because the early push on IV felt contrived and very much trying to shut a town player down from doing something to get them townread, but later posting was fine and consistent. Binning them as null right now because I can't get a handle on the slot, even with a read, an ISO dive, and a re-read.

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IV is probtown, many posts showing the thought process and direct engagement.
Hopkirk is probtown. Felt opposite early, but engagement with IV was good, and realizing that while I hate posts like 161, he was still directly engaging with the thread and honestly I think that's just probably me being a grumpass to hate posts like that.
Winter is slight-town. Seen stuff I like wrt interactions and posting. Slight insistence on focusing on other people's read of him which feels weird to me, but it's not domineering and it's not enough for me to move the slot out of general town range.
ABR's later posting has acquitted him well. Mea culpa on that one, didn't like his early game posting (or, more accurately, lack thereof). Apparently this is a true change of heart from how he behaves, so I'm liking the minimalistic engagements we've gotten since I voted.
Oka is also probtown. Early game felt bold in a "there's a lot of risk for scum here and no actual reward," and later posting has matured well.

[Hopkirk]

gypyx probably doesn't have the best read on me since we've played one game together and he was mostly-disengaged scum in it. haven't played more than i think 1 game with your team. i did have a quick check between those two posts. i'm more concerned with your team's reads on other people because honestly i have no idea how any of your team's reads on me would differ if they were town or scum so i don't really get anything out of that. i'd prioritise slots i said i was interested in. that might have changed but i can't really feel like going back to it tonight

[AGar]

VOTE: Titus

[Hopkirk]

Hopkirk's #161 just feels aggravating and is the kind of thing that probably takes me off my balance. Prior posts were good but then this is just a pointless post, and he follows up by saying that it's pointless but deal with it. He's probably town, and I think I'm just prone to seeing shit like that as scumposting.

the first half of 161 was to setup the jokes in the second half and each of the points starting with '-' is either a direct joke, meant to be ironic, or referential humor.
i am sad to see that the humor may not have landed well

saying that's 'busywork' means you've missed the tone but it's also contextually really weird when i made 90ish posts yesterday and a heck of a lot of serious posts.

i'll read the rest of that tomorrow. i realized it was loooong and just looked over where my name had been mentioned because i like it when people talk about me

[Hopkirk]

if i don't leave now i'm going to read the whole thing tongiht beforee i sleep and i'm going to feel terrible tomorrow so i'm going to leave before i get the urge to

[unwnd]

The unfortunate part is that AGar you're not one of the newblood so I have to actually read your posts instead of just guessing your alignment based on much you seemingly care

Newmeta players just typically hate being scum and won't even try

[Cephrir]

Hmm. I'm torn between liking those agar posts and feeling like they're exactly what I would advise scum to do to get out of this wagon (back off, provide some analysis, go after someone else). Inclined to chill and see what else develops for a hot second.

[unwnd]

He's on a team who would be able to make a post like that

Remember when we used to have to actually read what people said? Nowadays I just can just pick out alignment based on timing/delivery of posts

It's great

[Almost50]

@Oka: Are you going to play MAFIA or are you going to criticize ppl's moves and antagonize them? I'd rather you just simply ask your team for individual reads on me and be done with it. I have my own reasons to ask everyone to channel their individual team members reads on me at this point. Thank you

[Cephrir]

He's on a team who would be able to make a post like that

Remember when we used to have to actually read what people said? Nowadays I just can just pick out alignment based on timing/delivery of posts

It's great

Honestly I hate it. It's just disappointing watching scum just open their role pm and quit. I'm hoping team mafia will give us a challenge.

But yeah, it doesn't escape me that that team would probably be able to offer good advice.