TM 2021 Large Normal: OEIS Mafia (Part Two Is Out)

[unwnd]

The duality of avatars, a picturebook:

Blowhard? More like I hardly knew her!



Blowhard. More like..I hardly [pause for dramatic effect, take a cig break] knew her.

[OkaPoka]

i just remember you correct reading me a lot in the past and very early to the point where i suspected i was doing something subconsciously that you were picking up on and i wonder if you still have that ability

[Cephrir]

does this form please you goofy chicken man

[OkaPoka]

you know i think ceph is town

[unwnd]

That actually makes me scumread you Ceph

I need a strong serious brooding pig to cradle me to town victory

[Cephrir]

u guys r tearing me apart

[OkaPoka]

its a culture war between boomer and zoomer energies

only one thing unites both cultures and that is cute anime girl

[unwnd]

Actually true

Both zoomer and boomer can appreciate anime girl

We don't talk about the other one starting with c though

[Xtoxm]

@O50
my own read on you is solid town, mainly for 737 and 859
i hope you can reach hypertown level like you did last tm

@agar
you can talk to me if there's something you don't understand, you know. i didn't vote you (or anyone) yet because its an approach i decided to take this game. i believe i probably would have voted you in there if i hadn't made that decision.
you're talking in extreme terms about things and i'm finding it hard to take you seriously
ie, ceph scumclaiming, titus almost certain
im not 'almost certain' of anything in this game. the gates have barely opened and we have almost no information.

#840 is the kind of post i usually hard town read (slot under pressure dumps content type post) but im just not really getting that feeling here which is concerning.

[Xtoxm]

also @O50
boon hasn't read the game afaik and i doubt he's planning to but i'll pass it on
maybe you'll get a reply eventually

[the worst]

I hate anime girls, no offense xtoxm

looking good Ceph <3

[Xtoxm]

well i am offended
bad duckling
no breadcrumbs

[the worst]

I heard breadcrumbs increase prosperity level if that helps convince you ~~~

what's your read on me, Mr. Oxm?

[Ythan]

Is this anime girls versus animals and also which side is the worst on

[the worst]

town

[Albert B. Rampage]

its a culture war between boomer and zoomer energies

only one thing unites both cultures and that is cute anime girl

I am on team zoomer energy

[JacksonVirgo]

Alright so this is my first "re-catchup" post, I'm going to try my hardest to start as fresh as I possibly can, if I ask questions that get answered later feel free to ignore them. I will be updating my read list as I go, if I remember I will note my changes such as "Implosion a TL now" or something like that. Also if you scream at me for being so early in the game in a 40 page game, go suck a banana.

Spoiler: Pages 1-5

yoooo I was really excited for this to start and wrote an intro post this morning while I was hyped up on coffee and a

fresh town flip

but

now, thanks to an internet service provider who won’t be named (AT&T) i’m having a wifi outage so here I am assembling furniture on a friday night

i’ll vibe in the thread on mobile some but i’m already not really liking the experience so probably will be around more tmro

cheers happy to be here, i’m sure i’ll get a chance to introduce myself more

See bolded+underlined, they're starting to push that they're Town right off the very bat. Although I can also see this as them referring to an ongoing game but that's not allowed on this site so I am throwing that option out of the window. I don't have issues with people making an actual joke regarding how conftown they are or whatnot but what they're doing is like doing subliminal manipulation, I am not entirely sure how else to word it but it's slimy and manipulative.

oh my meme worked Hercule is actually town
yeeet

Is this a genuine read, if so can you explain this? It seems like it's half serious half meme, I don't see anything that leads them to be a town-read so I am assuming it's mostly meme.

oh my meme worked Hercule is actually town
yeeet

i mean yes but based on what?

This is still slightly manipulative but this is on the level that I was talking about earlier which is blatantly obvious and thus can come from a Town mindset playing around, so this one is less of an issue for me than the first one and the ones to come.

lmao i’m such a spammer even on mobile. 14 days. can’t burn myself out yet. be back in a bit

I have a slight tonal problem with this post, they weren't spamming nearly at all at this point yet they're bloating about how they are, whether or not this is an attempt to try and push the "I am posting a lot and thus town" or just it's a tonal discrepancy that I am getting triggered by.

Just do what feels right and folks will deal with it. Here watch.

VOTE: hercule

I wouldn't be super surprised if one of DGB/Ythan are buddies with hercule assuming hercule is scum here. But then again I am not super confident, probably leaning towards Ythan more than DGB but this talk is useless pre-flips.

VOTE: ythan

why

VOTE: hercule

Already nervous.

first of all, i’m asking questions because i’m used to generating a fuck ton of content early on, though the pacing of these games so far is much slower than i anticipated

secondly, what part of that post implies nervousness to you?

Yet another post which heavily implies that they're super Townie through post-count, this could very well be planned to link into the previous post. I am not sure how much experience hercule has under his belt but considering their wording I'm assuming at least they have a pretty decent amount of games under their belt.

it’s beautiful i’m so pocketed

Another tonal post I despise, but I believe this one is >rand confbias.

ironically this pacing is probably way more healthy than what i’m used to but it’s so boring

Yet another post pushing the same similar agenda, I understand one post but three? More? No

hercule you mentioned that you were really excited to get this game started this morning, does your enthusiasm vary by alignment at all?

by extension is your activity generally similar (and I assume high) as both alignments?

honestly no idea i haven’t flipped scum in like 6 months

on the whole i generally dread being scum but it’s been so long it would be a nice change of pace

The issue I have on this post is that it completely flips the entire question on it's head to push an agenda. If you haven't flipped scum in 6 months, you should still be able to remember if you have high or low activity. Instead you boast about how you haven't flipped scum in 6 months, which in itself is LAMIST and manipulative.
Not only that but both sentences are manipulative, I see this all too often in all my different mafia style games that I play, the latter sentence is entirely there to boost the fact that you're so townie. To reiterate, you never answered this question the way it was intended, you flipped it on it's head to push an agenda to appear super townie.

VOTE: the worst i wanted to play a town game with you for once Worsty

why did you roll scum without me

I like this for Town simply because both times I've read over ducky's posts I've had a moment of pause. I don't think duckyboi is scum, they're kinda null for me as of right now but IV mindmelded with my thoughts slightly and I think they're >rand town for doing so.

Rvs is a thing WE KNOW THIS

If this was a reaction to ducky "attacking" your vote on hercules than this is scummy, it's an over-defense that I don't think comes from non-paranoid players.

good vote unwnd, why did you make it though

Seems lowkey manipulative but still leaving room to shove unwnd's ass into the dumpster if need be. Still a null, but probably null-scum now tbh.

A lot of Hercule's initial posts were slimy as shown above let me know if you agree/disagree and if you can explain why I am wrong.

Spoiler: Pages 6-10

they're making towny noises and want people to townread them so I'm obliging! i'll work out if I'm wrong later. Where u at on them?

So you're seeing what I'm seeing, yet you decided to town-read them instead? Why

jackson will know i'm watching him either way (not in a creepy way jackson...)

VOTE: the worst

What made you think ducky is more likely scum than myself, neither of us actually posted between your vote on me and this one. Also don't beat around the bush, is that a FOS.

Hi. Uncrowned here.

Ythan is Town.

ABR is probably Town.

Dunnstral is probably Town.

Hopkirk's reasoning on JV's intro is reasonable, but I believe it is NAI for JV given the history between them, myself and The Worst.

I don't think a teammate reading the game is indicative of anything, but I guess I get the sentiment?

I don't think The Worst has been that awkward, I think that's just how he be sometimes.

Oh man, the legend himself. They said that they've explained these exact reads but ignoring that and focusing JUST on this post as I have no way of confirming otherwise without continuing. They don't explain a single word which is extremely unlike them, as I said, in ducky's PYP game they were incredibly townie and had a lot of good content, enough that I pretty much conftowned them even if the read wasn't reciprocated (I neighbourized them ahaha). I do not get the same tone from them as I expected town!uncrowned to post. I legitimately had to question whether or not I understood the first line because it did not sound like them. He also brushed off the read with ducky so imagine they did an omega betrayed and flipped mafia without me.

can you expand on what you mean about the opening? my issue shouldn't be history dependent unless you have an in joke you're talking about

I rolled scum in JV and I's first game on site. The Worst replaced in and it came down to us three in ELo and I won. Since then they've had like a revenge thing where they want to roll scum together in a game against me. Good times.

As for why I townlean ABR at the moment: He voted Dannflor immediately after Dann voted Ythan, which is exactly what I would have done had I been active at that point in the game. That was my initial reaction.

The flaw with this is that ABR may not have been voting Dann for that exact reason, but I'm happy to assume it unless he says otherwise.

You answered this AFTER getting asked to post reasonings for it, which is what I said earlier that would not weaken my argument against you, at least in my eyes. You mind-melded with ABR which is a fair reason to TR someone but why didn't you say that like I remember you being like instead of blind-posting reads on people which isn't helpful at all. Naked reads mean absolutely shit all as you should know.

Dunnstral mega town off of this interaction.

Let me reiterate, naked reads mean nothing and it's extremely unlike what I expect town!you to do.

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Next up on Hey Hey It's Not Saturday is the prestigious Hopkirk/Uncrowned interaction.

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it feels off since we just finished a game where you didn't TR ABR (definitely not early?) that you have a hard(?) read early.

Not hard.

And that's implying that I'm approaching this game the same way I did that game and implying that ABR did the exact same thing that game, which he didn't.

This is a valid counter-argument as they said "probably Town", although this is NAI in and of itself although you also said that Dunnstral is "probably Town" as well, what elevated that read?

It's not about whether or not you got vibes off him?

It feels like you'd rather just not engage with me on the topic of him possibly being scum?

Given the style you showed last game and how you started this game, I expected at least some interaction there, or some questioning along the lines of "elaborate on this" but instead you throw a softball about ABR that doesn't make a lot of sense in the first place?

Weird.

that's a lot of shade you're throwing at me. why would you expect me to comment on that? you having sus on someone wasn't noteworthy for me

I think this is a fairly town-indicative for Hopkirk here, Uncrowned is thinking everything he says is golden and that it should all be replied to and read. They continue to say that their read is "spicy" when it's really not.

The chances you just didn't find it worth talking about are decent, so I'm not opposed to just dropping it as a talking point for now.

If he flips red though you are getting tunneled.

I despise setting up lynch-orders early-game without mechanical reasonings, this adds partner equity to them both

1: It's a vanity.

2: I haven't commented on any of the others slots that have really been under pressure this game yet (Hercule, Innocent)

3: No-one else has called much attention to the slot yet.

I think with these facts alone, it's at least a reasonable assumption to think you'd take SOME interest in it, is it not?

You threw in the word spicy to make your case stronger, it is definitely not vanity so stop. To say this blunt, you're literally attacking the fact that they didn't feel the need to reply to a portion of your post.

A vanity is when one person is voting away from the current main wagons.

It's a bit of a stretch for me to call it a "vanity" but given where most of the attention is being centered in the game at the moment prior to our interaction, I don't think it's the worst description.

I honestly am finding it hard to understand a word you're saying to be completely honest.

CT
ACT
TR	innocentvillager
TL	Hopkirk
NR	the worst-
SL	Ythan
SR	hercule, Uncrowned
ACS
CS

[the worst]

So you're seeing what I'm seeing, yet you decided to town-read them instead? Why

skipped earlier prompt because I figured you'd find this post

I think LAMIST posting is very slightly more likely to come from town at rand given current site culture where everyone seems to get excited about town role pms and curl up in the corner if they rand scum

it's only really a scum indicator in a broad context

so I'm willing to treat it as a superficial towntell on page one and revisit later in the game, yeah. I'm already getting cold on Hercule. Like there is literally no harm in me expressing a superficial read which I only give half a crap about in a really goofy way to try and get the game moving.

[the worst]

I get what you're saying but I don't see why that makes either of Uncrowned or Hercule more likely to be mafia than town. Maybe I'm solving top down, rather than bottom up

[AGar]

@ABR: Thank you

FWIW, my reads are volatile and keep changing rapidly, so I will provide a preliminary read list (or something that resembles one) once I've decided on a number of slots So far I only have 2 solid TRs

@Oka: I said there was a

reason

for me to ask. And yes, I feel that I gave been very transparently town indeed, but only those who know me well enough will be able to realize it. There is also a reason why I am playing like this, but that's another story.

Whew boy this post

stinks

.

yeah reading titus up to this point leaves me pretty unimpressed but i don't feel the need to vote it right this second

Mmk. So what do you make of her ISO is actively just avoiding addressing

literally anything

that has occurred outside of me. I feel like you can muster up more than "unimpressed".

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I am once again disagreeing vehemently with an unwnd post. (Source: 918)

On that track, would love it if someone would maybe help me out here:

Can someone else read 763 and tell me if it feels bad? I cannot separate my thoughts from the fact that I feel I would in fact be a bad yeet because I'm town and I have given very little to work with post-flip up until these last two posts. I go back and forth on unwnd in general because the early push on IV felt contrived and very much trying to shut a town player down from doing something to get them townread, but later posting was fine and consistent. Binning them as null right now because I can't get a handle on the slot, even with a read, an ISO dive, and a re-read.

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I can fuck with the part of JV's 930 about Hercule.

i didn't vote you (or anyone) yet because its an approach i decided to take this game.

That was a bad decision if you ask me.

@Jackson

Do you anticipate being caught up to Page 40 before we reach Page 90?

[JacksonVirgo]

So you're seeing what I'm seeing, yet you decided to town-read them instead? Why

skipped earlier prompt because I figured you'd find this post

I think LAMIST posting is very slightly more likely to come from town at rand given current site culture where everyone seems to get excited about town role pms and curl up in the corner if they rand scum

it's only really a scum indicator in a broad context

so I'm willing to treat it as a superficial towntell on page one and revisit later in the game, yeah. I'm already getting cold on Hercule. Like there is literally no harm in me expressing a superficial read which I only give half a crap about in a really goofy way to try and get the game moving.

As I've said, I am completely fine with lamist behavior, it's when it tilts into blatant manipulation when it turns into something I despise.

[JacksonVirgo]

@Jackson Do you anticipate being caught up to Page 40 before we reach Page 90?

Yeah it should be done before 50, just if I don't give a break I start skipping posts and skimming instead of reading

[Ythan]

If this was a reaction to ducky "attacking" your vote on hercules than this is scummy, it's an over-defense that I don't think comes from non-paranoid players.

Nah it's at the post right before it I don't do rvs.

[innocentvillager]

congrats A50 gypyx thinks you’re town

[Winter Flakes]

@JV

I think you're ignoring the fact that I'm not the type of player who delves into deep reasoning for all my reads. You acting like this is a qualifier for me being town is just plain wrong. Towncrowned can 100% be blunt like that and I've done that multiple times since coming back from my hiatus.Yhe reasoning behind this SR is still bad.

In fact, I'd go as far as to say I feel more of a need to justify my reads and go in depth as scum than I would as town, but sure. Apparently I'm a mega analytical player in every game which multiple people in this plist and on other teams should be able to vouch that I most definitely am not anyone who played in Guns and Roses V & in One Night Stand should at least be somewhat aware of this.