Newbie 2051: Iceland! - End!

[Prism]

Enchant

I town read this slot

??? Have you read the selfhammer?

[Prism]

Looking at the posts it looks like the most recent you link is the 500s, okay, will read the entire thing before I respond.

[flow trap]

Typically I'm at least mildly inconsistent tbh

[Prism]

I'm going to try to keep out quotewalling here.

I don't like 475 pressuring Safebet, they dont like safebets read post from 459 and states the thinking doesnt add up but doesnt expand any further on it only questioning the vote on flow trap.

I think my safebet arguments were a bit different and more specific than those presented-most pressure was just for the E-1-but I don't think it substantially matters much so I'll leave it. I think this point specifically is worth revisiting because I highlighted two things: First, his treatment of me in comparison to you and Frederick was very questionable. Why is the townread on me qualified by my experience while yours isn't, and why is Frederick is null if he's significantly underperformed?

I touch on this in my tip wall to quiet just now but I put a lot of stock in progressions, and I think progression on flowtrap had a lot of gaps that needed to be filled in, iirc he did not comment on any of the things he was citing as they were happening, only in the conclusion of the read wall.

I concur for the most part on Frederick and appreciate you swapping off Esoteric. I know you spent a lot of time already, but if you're curious I think you should read more of Esoteric's posting around the time of the wall, which it doesn't look like you had time to do.

Let me know if there's any other reads you want to talk about when you finish reading.

[Prism]

Typically I'm at least mildly inconsistent tbh

I think most people are, and despite how fancy my progression evaluation often looks on paper, I have a knack for getting 1/2 scum only to eliminate multiple town and hard defend a scum with better consistency.

Teamwork makes the dream work. Different styles and different angles help dramatically. I do think there are some "wrong" ways of thinking/playing, as you've seen, but my way has its blind spots, whether that becomes apparent this game or not.

[flow trap]

Ok, I think I'm going to place Salsa in the Leaning Scum but not open to shoot category

[Enchant]

Okay, i bored.

I'm not Mafia, because:

1. I'm drowning and would just claim some PR to get Counterclaimed/Get freeaway ticket for now. Easy trade of my life for PR, while with just execute, mafia would get no benefit.
2. Killing self is not in mafia interest.
3. I'm town.
4. I forgot this thing will remember later.
5. I really though i was in E-1 but sadly no. There's zero point for Mafia!Me claim mafia, because it's looking i really murder self as mafia member (which is not in mafia interest).

Disregarding than, i still want to get eluminated, because how my life is dangerous.

[quiet]

Just finished a close read through Act 1: RVS turned flow trap Flashwagon. Things that stood out:
Esoteric Zoomer

Spoiler:

I finally realized who esoteric is. I’ve been calling them zoomer in my head. I take back what I said about them being lurkey to the point of me not remembering them; I remember them just fine.
I disagree with most of esoteric zoomer’s push against safebet for putting flow on E-1. I think it’s perfectly fine, Not_Mafia isn’t in this game, and a day1 quickhammer would be a fascinating bit of info that I don’t see as a massive risk on page 5 or whatever it was when this went down. Despite disagreeing, I light townread them for the way they did it. Seems like a very early push for mafia to come out that guns blazing. This is a weak gut read, but it’s where I’m at. If they keep pushing on safe beyond what is reasonable later in the thread, or if they make other low-effort reads, I may flip this to scum.

Flow trap

Spoiler:

I’m likely throwing flow in my null bucket for the day. I don’t think I’m finding AI stuff from them without some flips and voting patterns to narrow the field. They’ve felt in control/within their range the whole time during the progression of voting and the conversations surrounding it.
Also, I’m noticing more than a few instances of this:

and the second I will not state as I do not feel it should be shared yet and it's still developing

I get ansy about reads that are announced but not shared. Either you flip town before you share them and I’m left wondering what brilliant game solving insight you could have had, or you skate by giving half of your takes and I feel sad when you flip mafia. This is a bias, I understand there are good reasons to not give full reads, but I dislike announcing them.

Enchant

Spoiler:

Enchant’s very first act was to claim Mafia Goon. Given the selfsame claim and accidental not actual self hammer, I think this data point makes me want to elim there, like, 5% less, as I put t. Unfortunately I still don’t think I ever get away from a vote on them today. I would struggle to read this slot without all the recent stuff I think; wearing newness/“I’m so bad at town” on sleeve works great for scum or town both.

floo:

Spoiler:

Right, as I explained I said it was "partially serious" to avoid seeming scummy / too random.

This earned you a suspicious iso. Flow trap’s color coded sentiment analysis on one of your next posts also was interesting. Thinking about it, I don’t believe scum admits trying “to avoid seeming scummy”, but I’d be curious where that fear came from in the first place. Your 351 addresses it to my satisfaction, but I kinda like Spartan for immediately pinging this out.

From there, floo becomes my early strongest townread. I stopped at the 500s in their iso, but their reads match up very well with my own (slightly more informed by future thread info) reads, the progression makes sense, and...well, if Enchant flips scum, in townlocking floo for at least a few days for their early and well reasoned suspicion in 582.

Those are all the key players in act 1, from my perspective.

Tldr: Floo town, locktown if Enchant scum, going to table reading flow trap to tmmw, Enchant introduction relates to self vote claim, liked Spartian pinging floo quote I also pinged on, EZ towny for safebet sus for now, but floo has made me want to watch for progression.

Next, Act 2: The Fredrick Wagon, after a short interlude of long posts between flow trap and Salsa

Also still stuck on phone, so slow going/poor formatting. Sorry.

[quiet]

So I have a big wall of tips here.

Hey, so outside of the game, this is the most effort anyone in the newbie queue has put in to making me feel both welcome + improve at the game. Actually, this entire thread is full of people who are modeling a playstyle that’s just...really fun and high effort, which I enjoy a great deal. So thanks prism, and thanks everyone else too.

Back to my catch up

[quiet]

This is a really bizarre angle. Why does having an individual read/vote depend on others having posted?

The moment that Prism started suspecting my slot. The inception of doubt.

Idle thought; does someone want to tackle an updated pair analysis? It’s a fun perspective. I might try one. Had a SE yell at me that partner analysis generally was not very effective, and I think they may be correct, but it’s an interesting exercise.

@Flow, which of your partner reads from that chart has held up best, and which do you think has held up worst, given how the rest of the day has proceeded?

[quiet]

From my perspective, unless we are seeing a day1 hard bus (which can be sorted out day 3 or something)
If Enchant flips scum, I townlock

Floo (from my prev post)
Esoteric (from his holy readlist batman, the ONLY negative I can give that giant wall you posted was that it seems emulateable as scum as it’s basically sentiment analysis, but honestly it’s towny to me and pings out Enchant most of all)

I think Enchant flips scum over half the time here, and it would be nice to narrow my FoS for a while.

Anyone disagree? Think either of these two bus with any frequency? And of course this pre-supposes a scum flip; The one downside of an Enchant elim is a town flip doesn’t really implicate anyone (as now everyone has a legit excuse to vote them).

[quiet]

Think I’m done here for the night. A lot more to get through. See you tmmrw!

[Salsabil Faria]

Your comments about 365 assume that Enchant and Fredrick are scumpartners. Let's say that Fredrick is town, however, regardless of Enchant's alignment. Then he would just be asking you to read Enchant in a different way that is more logically sound, which is perfectly normal for town to do. I haven't read/thought enough about if it is likely that Enchant and Fredrick are partners.

To me, if

Enchant

and

Fredrick A Campbell

are the scum partners, then the conversation (365) makes sense.
Yes, if

Fredrick A Campbell

is town, then it'll obviously come from a town perspective. But I find him suspicious, so the conversation in the mentioned post didn't appear to me as town.

You said in 228 that you didn't want to give Enchant the benefit of the doubt because you "don't want to get burned again." If I'm reading that as it appears, you don't want to think about Enchant with the proper assumptions because you don't want to be voted. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Yes, you're wrong. If

Enchant

is one of the scums here, and lead the mafia team to the victory in the end, I'll be very mad genuinely, which I don't want at all.

I'm reading through your ISO and feel like half of your posts are interactions with flow trap. What's your current read on flow trap?

null/

town

at the moment

[Salsabil Faria]

I was real mafia goon btw. Outplayed myself.

GG town.

What the hell just happened!!!

[esotericzoomer]

just call me ez for the sake of remembering

[Enchant]

I was real mafia goon btw. Outplayed myself.

GG town.

What the hell just happened!!!

I claimed Mafia Goon.

[Salsabil Faria]

Ok, I think I'm going to place Salsa in the Leaning Scum but not open to shoot category

[Salsabil Faria]

Okay, i bored.

I'm not Mafia, because:

1. I'm drowning and would just claim some PR to get Counterclaimed/Get freeaway ticket for now. Easy trade of my life for PR, while with just execute, mafia would get no benefit.
2. Killing self is not in mafia interest.
3. I'm town.
4. I forgot this thing will remember later.
5. I really though i was in E-1 but sadly no. There's zero point for Mafia!Me claim mafia, because it's looking i really murder self as mafia member (which is not in mafia interest).

Disregarding than, i still want to get eluminated, because how my life is dangerous.

Now you're being a pain in the ***

[Salsabil Faria]

I was real mafia goon btw. Outplayed myself.

GG town.

What the hell just happened!!!

I claimed Mafia Goon.

Yes, I can see that

[Enchant]

Spoiler:

Okay, i bored.

I'm not Mafia, because:

1. I'm drowning and would just claim some PR to get Counterclaimed/Get freeaway ticket for now. Easy trade of my life for PR, while with just execute, mafia would get no benefit.
2. Killing self is not in mafia interest.
3. I'm town.
4. I forgot this thing will remember later.
5. I really though i was in E-1 but sadly no. There's zero point for Mafia!Me claim mafia, because it's looking i really murder self as mafia member (which is not in mafia interest).

Disregarding than, i still want to get eluminated, because how my life is dangerous.

Now you're being a pain in the ***

Kinda reason why i selfvoted.

[Salsabil Faria]

Spoiler:

Okay, i bored.

I'm not Mafia, because:

1. I'm drowning and would just claim some PR to get Counterclaimed/Get freeaway ticket for now. Easy trade of my life for PR, while with just execute, mafia would get no benefit.
2. Killing self is not in mafia interest.
3. I'm town.
4. I forgot this thing will remember later.
5. I really though i was in E-1 but sadly no. There's zero point for Mafia!Me claim mafia, because it's looking i really murder self as mafia member (which is not in mafia interest).

Disregarding than, i still want to get eluminated, because how my life is dangerous.

Now you're being a pain in the ***

Kinda reason why i selfvoted.

Yes, I saw that too.... but still don't understand why you claimed to be a scum if you're a town??
Btw, how many votes you have on you at the moment?

[Enchant]

Spoiler:

Okay, i bored.

I'm not Mafia, because:

1. I'm drowning and would just claim some PR to get Counterclaimed/Get freeaway ticket for now. Easy trade of my life for PR, while with just execute, mafia would get no benefit.
2. Killing self is not in mafia interest.
3. I'm town.
4. I forgot this thing will remember later.
5. I really though i was in E-1 but sadly no. There's zero point for Mafia!Me claim mafia, because it's looking i really murder self as mafia member (which is not in mafia interest).

Disregarding than, i still want to get eluminated, because how my life is dangerous.

Now you're being a pain in the ***

Kinda reason why i selfvoted.

Yes, I saw that too.... but still don't understand why you claimed to be a scum if you're a town??
Btw, how many votes you have on you at the moment?

Why not. Only mafia knows i'm not mafia, so they would act different and i will reveal as Townie anyway. You allready saw how i slipped in 2042, when asked if you are Cop/Tracker? Well.

[esotericzoomer]

Spoiler:

Okay, i bored.

I'm not Mafia, because:

1. I'm drowning and would just claim some PR to get Counterclaimed/Get freeaway ticket for now. Easy trade of my life for PR, while with just execute, mafia would get no benefit.
2. Killing self is not in mafia interest.
3. I'm town.
4. I forgot this thing will remember later.
5. I really though i was in E-1 but sadly no. There's zero point for Mafia!Me claim mafia, because it's looking i really murder self as mafia member (which is not in mafia interest).

Disregarding than, i still want to get eluminated, because how my life is dangerous.

Now you're being a pain in the ***

Kinda reason why i selfvoted.

Yes, I saw that too.... but still don't understand why you claimed to be a scum if you're a town??
Btw, how many votes you have on you at the moment?

Why not. Only mafia knows i'm not mafia, so they would act different and i will reveal as Townie anyway. You allready saw how i slipped in 2042, when asked if you are Cop/Tracker? Well.

anyone townreading this is immediately suspicious

[Salsabil Faria]

Spoiler:

Okay, i bored.

I'm not Mafia, because:

1. I'm drowning and would just claim some PR to get Counterclaimed/Get freeaway ticket for now. Easy trade of my life for PR, while with just execute, mafia would get no benefit.
2. Killing self is not in mafia interest.
3. I'm town.
4. I forgot this thing will remember later.
5. I really though i was in E-1 but sadly no. There's zero point for Mafia!Me claim mafia, because it's looking i really murder self as mafia member (which is not in mafia interest).

Disregarding than, i still want to get eluminated, because how my life is dangerous.

Now you're being a pain in the ***

Kinda reason why i selfvoted.

Yes, I saw that too.... but still don't understand why you claimed to be a scum if you're a town??
Btw, how many votes you have on you at the moment?

Why not. Only mafia knows i'm not mafia, so they would act different and i will reveal as Townie anyway. You allready saw how i slipped in 2042, when asked if you are Cop/Tracker? Well.

anyone townreading this is immediately suspicious

How?

[Enchant]

I townread myself, is i'm suspicious now?