Newbie 2051: Iceland! - End!

[Salsabil Faria]

I townread myself, is i'm suspicious now?

[esotericzoomer]

Spoiler:

Okay, i bored.

I'm not Mafia, because:

1. I'm drowning and would just claim some PR to get Counterclaimed/Get freeaway ticket for now. Easy trade of my life for PR, while with just execute, mafia would get no benefit.
2. Killing self is not in mafia interest.
3. I'm town.
4. I forgot this thing will remember later.
5. I really though i was in E-1 but sadly no. There's zero point for Mafia!Me claim mafia, because it's looking i really murder self as mafia member (which is not in mafia interest).

Disregarding than, i still want to get eluminated, because how my life is dangerous.

Now you're being a pain in the ***

Kinda reason why i selfvoted.

Yes, I saw that too.... but still don't understand why you claimed to be a scum if you're a town??
Btw, how many votes you have on you at the moment?

Why not. Only mafia knows i'm not mafia, so they would act different and i will reveal as Townie anyway. You allready saw how i slipped in 2042, when asked if you are Cop/Tracker? Well.

anyone townreading this is immediately suspicious

How?

his justification's for these scummy actions are ass backwards and he's blatant scum.
either someone is being so lazy they aren't looking at the finer details of his posts or they're just scum.

[Salsabil Faria]

his justification's for these scummy actions are ass backwards and he's blatant scum.
either someone is being so lazy they aren't looking at the finer details of his posts or they're just scum.

Don't know about others but I'm hell confused!

[esotericzoomer]

his justification's for these scummy actions are ass backwards and he's blatant scum.
either someone is being so lazy they aren't looking at the finer details of his posts or they're just scum.

Don't know about others but I'm hell confused!

do you not find that his reasons for claiming goon make absolutely no sense?

[Salsabil Faria]

his justification's for these scummy actions are ass backwards and he's blatant scum.
either someone is being so lazy they aren't looking at the finer details of his posts or they're just scum.

Don't know about others but I'm hell confused!

do you not find that his reasons for claiming goon make absolutely no sense?

Claiming goon no, cause they really thought it was E-1 before they self hammered and claimed mafia goon, at least it seems like that to me. Then they again said that they are town, and gave reason which doesn't make sense to me. So I don't know what to think actually...

[quiet]

do you not find that his reasons for claiming goon make absolutely no sense?

Do you think that enchant makes sense as a player?
Again, it’s basically an auto elimination but I think there legit is a nonzero chance this is just....realllt really strange play. Too low of a chance to not elim there, but I think saying they’re always scum might be a stretch.

Hope they flip scum, that would make sorting you considerably easier.

[quiet]

also I’m a lil surprised the wagon on them stalled out, other than to leave room to hunt elsewhere. Is anyone categorically unwilling to vote Enchant today? Is there any utility in waiting on this flip?

[esotericzoomer]

his justification's for these scummy actions are ass backwards and he's blatant scum.
either someone is being so lazy they aren't looking at the finer details of his posts or they're just scum.

Don't know about others but I'm hell confused!

do you not find that his reasons for claiming goon make absolutely no sense?

Claiming goon no, cause they really thought it was E-1 before they self hammered and claimed mafia goon, at least it seems like that to me. Then they again said that they are town, and gave reason which doesn't make sense to me. So I don't know what to think actually...

exactly
so anyone saying otherwise is suspicious

[esotericzoomer]

do you not find that his reasons for claiming goon make absolutely no sense?

Do you think that enchant makes sense as a player?
Again, it’s basically an auto elimination but I think there legit is a nonzero chance this is just....realllt really strange play. Too low of a chance to not elim there, but I think saying they’re always scum might be a stretch.

Hope they flip scum, that would make sorting you considerably easier.

regardless of whether or not enchant "makes sense" as a player, it's very easy to see he revealed his role prematurely after he thought he accidentally hammered. there is no world where this is ever town.

[esotericzoomer]

but we're arguing for no reason here because me, you, and salsabil all scumread him lol

[fferyllt]

Vote Count 1-12

Jørgen Jørgensen was a Danish adventurer who sailed to Iceland in 1809, declared the island independent from Denmark and pronounced himself its ruler, Protector of Iceland. He intended to set up a liberal republic-style government similar to the United States at that time. He was deposed before his plans came to fruition. He went on to feature prominently in the establishment of Hobart in Tasmania. Marcus Clarke, an Australian novelist, referred to Jørgensen as "a singularly accomplished fortune wooer—one of the most interesting human comets recorded in history".

Enchant

(3): esotericzoomer, quiet, Prism

Fredrick A Campbell

(2): Salsabil Faria, Spartan117

Prism

(2): Fredrick A Campbell, flow trap

Not Voting

(2): Enchant, floo

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Deadline: January 23, Midnight US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2021-01-22 21:00:00)

Mod Notes:

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[Salsabil Faria]

but we're arguing for no reason here because me, you, and salsabil all scumread him lol

Though I've my suspicion on them from the beginning, I most probably didn't mention ever that I scumread them with confidence. But despite that, I don't scumread/townread them right now cause I can't literally read them.

[flow trap]

Ok, I think I'm going to place Salsa in the Leaning Scum but not open to shoot category

I should become a hyponotist

[flow trap]

In defense of Floo, town shouldn't go out of their way to be suspicious

[quiet]

so flow, did you get what you wanted out of the 3 even wagons?

If so/not, any reason not to just elim enchant and move forward? Or do expect to extract more value from today.

[flow trap]

I don't like ending the round in general

[quiet]

Post= 365 by keeping esotericzoomer's post 444, it actually makes sense, like you tried to protect/defend your scum partner (in this case Enchant) there

Huh.

Hey Salsa. You still credit Enchant/Fredrick as possible partners?

I don’t hate the read, I’m just not sure if scum defends scum exactly like this. Maybe they do, and if Enchant flips scum I’m absolutely going to be looking at Fredrick hard. Curious if you’ve changed your mind given the recent Enchant stuff/anything beyond where I’ve caught up.

[Salsabil Faria]

Post= 365 by keeping esotericzoomer's post 444, it actually makes sense, like you tried to protect/defend your scum partner (in this case Enchant) there

Huh.

Hey Salsa. You still credit Enchant/Fredrick as possible partners?

I don’t hate the read, I’m just not sure if scum defends scum exactly like this. Maybe they do, and if Enchant flips scum I’m absolutely going to be looking at Fredrick hard. Curious if you’ve changed your mind given the recent Enchant stuff/anything beyond where I’ve caught up.

I mean, it's not an impossible pair. I've literally no read on

Enchant

at the moment.

[quiet]

So there was a interesting, slightly emotional/confrontational set of interactions between flow trap and Salsa in the early 400s. I don’t read it as AI for either of them really, though at this point I maintain my null on flow and lean town on Salsa. However, this quote from Prism really caught my eye.

Spoiler:

I really hate to be blunt but it's better I do it now than later.

flow trap, you need to put your ego aside this game. It's getting in the way of you being effective and are making you elim bait.

You've taken the exact same dismissive attitude to players repeatedly throughout the game. Your explanations for why range from lackluster to promises of galaxy brain plans. Stating that you're not vulnerable to bias due to experience misses the entire point of bias.

I support you pressuring for a read but I don't support you continuing to be evasive/dismissive of concerns and questions under the guise of big brain. It forces me to guess whether you're being egotistical, malicious, or both.

I read this as incredibly towny. Faking solving the game is one thing, but faking trying to fix a town dynamic that could lead to a miselim based on your reads (as in, faking building town cohesion) seems...really really hard.

Prism is way more experienced, so I guess it’s conceivable that this is within their scum range, so like flow trap to some degree I probably want to be a little slow with my townread. However, this is such a specific play, and it feels super towny to me.

[quiet]

The alternate option on that post is that it’s god tier shade, but I read it as town telling someone to shape up, not scum trying to discredit. That’s just my read on the situation. I’m about to read flows response (if there was one).

Curious if anyone thinks this is AI to the degree that I feel it is.

[quiet]

Enchant - I think both his wish to impose new "meta" inconjunction with voting flow trap and not genuinely interacting with him despite flow having the most activity by far is cause for concern. Put that together with his ingenuine attempts at endearing himself to others. He is a current scum read.

Hey this looks good for safebet if Enchant flips scum!

[quiet]

Flow Trap - Fake as hell. Zero reaction to being put on E-1, elusive, aloof, clownish at times. Anti-town at best, scum trying to flood the thread with fluff at worst. The scum pair table is a joke.

Well this is a spicy hot take. I don’t think I agree exactly-I can see some town reasons/outcomes resulting from their play, which I wouldn’t call cartoonish. But safebet is a good player/I respect his reads, so this is still a useful data point.

I’m very glad I decided to sort flow tmmrw. I think I’ll have harder questions to ask if Enchant flips scum (I currently blame flow for stalling out the Enchant wagon, and I don’t think flow pushed on enchant today. I might be forgetting, but if they didn’t, I’ll be looking at them hard).

[quiet]

also, I’ll note that flows response to Prisim’s post was more...flow being flow. Little one liners, quick statements. The form culture shock and arrogance as a defense mechanism were both nice touches. I read flow has enjoying themselves, and the response NAI like every other thing they’ve done. Sound like a broken record, I’ll probably not post about that slot any further today.

[quiet]

I don't like how you are more concerned with voting with the pack and joining a train rather than following your scummiest scum read, that stinks of scum wanting to hide amongst town.

It bothers me on your disregard for who your voting, rather than having some more pinpoint accuracy on how scummy your read is, instead youre happier to vote off anyone who you may have a scum lean on rather than a more solid read on.

In post 446, esotericzoomer wrote:
i would like to ask for towncred

EZ seems much more interested in being town read than act

Oof. This post scumpinged me hard. And I was really liking Spartian up to that point.

These feel like really bad faith arguments. EZ also had some previous suspicion on them from floo and at least one other, so it would be a sensible place for scum to push on. This post earned you an iso.

[quiet]

You're disregarding any semblance of natural progression I had and rather you're cherrypicking my post's and warping them to fit your narrative.
Case and point, I make a joke, you read it as me wanting to be townread instead of me pushing my reads.

Yep this, exactly this.

EZ is def a townread for me