Newbie 2051: Iceland! - End!

quiet · Post Post #800 (ISO) » Mon Jan 18, 2021 7:52 am

Last post for a bit sorry for all the spam.

Spartan vs EZ is now the most interesting thing in this thread for me. Reading further, my first impression is town v town, but I want to revisit this and see if there’s anything to pick up. I’m walking back my immediate suspicion of Spartan a bit, but there’s something there. Also:

In post 549, Spartan117 wrote:fyi I'm not paying attention to you (flow) as whatever alignment you are, you are anti town...

Huh. I’m breaking my word. This is an open question for anyone:

Do you think that flow trap’s play is anti-town? I’m curious where people stand. I don’t think it qualifies/am not convinced that it is, but I think hearing people’s current takes on this would be useful.

flow trap · Post Post #801 (ISO) » Mon Jan 18, 2021 7:57 am

Less helpful # hurtful

Spartan117 · Post Post #802 (ISO) » Mon Jan 18, 2021 8:04 am

In post 800, quiet wrote:Last post for a bit sorry for all the spam.

Spartan vs EZ is now the most interesting thing in this thread for me. Reading further, my first impression is town v town, but I want to revisit this and see if there’s anything to pick up. I’m walking back my immediate suspicion of Spartan a bit, but there’s something there. Also:

In post 549, Spartan117 wrote:fyi I'm not paying attention to you (flow) as whatever alignment you are, you are anti town...
Huh. I’m breaking my word. This is an open question for anyone:

Do you think that flow trap’s play is anti-town? I’m curious where people stand. I don’t think it qualifies/am not convinced that it is, but I think hearing people’s current takes on this would be useful.

Just finished work, going to have dinner then do a proper read through with a clean head of the last 6 pages as I wasn't able to do it all properly last night.

To expand on my mindset here Quiet, it was a bit of an emotional reaction of my frustration to asking them question after question and having it dismissed with fog. I can fully understand why someone would want to not give everything away and keep some of their thoughts to themselves. It just got to me that after trying to understand something and put the pieces together it was shut down on more than one occasion, and if I'm not mistaken I think the same happened to others too, and I can see both town and scum doing this for different reasons so I see it as NAI overall but it still stagnates potential discussion that could have been had, shuts off avenues of conversation and makes me at the very least feel less desiring to try and converse with them from fear of getting shot down again and it being a pointless effort to try and go down that avenue although I did try.

Spartan117 · Post Post #803 (ISO) » Mon Jan 18, 2021 8:04 am

In post 801, flow trap wrote:Less helpful # hurtful

Less helpful insinuates some level of helpfulness of which there was none.

flow trap · Post Post #804 (ISO) » Mon Jan 18, 2021 8:16 am

In post 803, Spartan117 wrote:
In post 801, flow trap wrote:Less helpful # hurtful
Less helpful insinuates some level of helpfulness of which there was none.

So town would be better off had I done nothing?

esotericzoomer · Post Post #805 (ISO) » Mon Jan 18, 2021 8:17 am

In post 377, Enchant wrote:
In post 376, Fredrick A Campbell wrote:
In post 375, Enchant wrote:Mafia would say that.
What is that supposed to refer to?
Something.

What you think about Floo answer?

I think this is a very bizarre interaction between fred and enchant here.
I also don't like how he tried to redirect my attention back on to him when I voted fred, he was almost desperate

esotericzoomer · Post Post #806 (ISO) » Mon Jan 18, 2021 8:18 am

In post 471, Enchant wrote:
In post 469, esotericzoomer wrote:VOTE: Fredrick
Hey, i won mafiatest, and got -11, while he got -5.

Why you not pushing me, but instead change mind soo easy.

by defending/trying to bring my attention back to him i mean this
came off really desperate and i think can absolutely point towards a fredrick/enchant scumteam

quiet · Post Post #807 (ISO) » Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:37 am

In post 804, flow trap wrote:So town would be better off had I done nothing?

Low bar you are setting for yourself here. How would you recommend I sort you?

quiet · Post Post #808 (ISO) » Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:40 am

Pedit; I recognize that it was a response to Spartian saying you weren’t ever helpful and that it’s unfair of me to snipe it out like that.

More interested in how you play. If this is townYou, it almost seems like you’re playing town in a way that balances your scum range. If that makes sense. Thus the question of how you recommend sorting you; the “am I having fun” thing is a tough read for me

flow trap · Post Post #809 (ISO) » Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:41 am

I'm allowed to link games that have ended, correct?

quiet · Post Post #810 (ISO) » Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:42 am

I want Fredrick to come back and weigh in on the Enchant wagon + EZs statements (which they sort of did before).

I also would think those on the Fredrick wagon would be happy to move over to the Enchant wagon; not sure why they havnt.

quiet · Post Post #811 (ISO) » Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:42 am

Yessir to mr. Part wolf

flow trap · Post Post #812 (ISO) » Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:49 am

https://www.braingle.com/games/werewolf ... 00;round=1

I go by a different alias, but you can probably figure it out

esotericzoomer · Post Post #813 (ISO) » Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:50 am

In post 805, esotericzoomer wrote:
In post 377, Enchant wrote:
In post 376, Fredrick A Campbell wrote:
In post 375, Enchant wrote:Mafia would say that.
What is that supposed to refer to?
Something.

What you think about Floo answer?
I think this is a very bizarre interaction between fred and enchant here.
I also don't like how he tried to redirect my attention back on to him when I voted fred, he was almost desperate

i noticed i supplied zero context so this probably makes little sense
a while ago i said fredrick really didnt have that much of a presence in the game and i didn't like that, he says 'he exists,' then enchant comes out of nowhere and starts trolling him
while i wouldnt put it past enchant to mess around a lot, this was a very different character than he was usually

Spartan117 · Post Post #814 (ISO) » Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:51 am

In post 808, quiet wrote:Pedit; I recognize that it was a response to Spartian saying you weren’t
ever
helpful and that it’s unfair of me to snipe it out like that.

More interested in how you play. If this is townYou, it almost seems like you’re playing town in a way that balances your scum range. If that makes sense. Thus the question of how you recommend sorting you; the “am I having fun” thing is a tough read for me

About to go through them pages now, Just wanted to say I didn't say he wasn't ever helpful, I was referring to when I had asked him questions and he was dismissive/illusive. My frustration also stems from not being able to get a strong read on the slot, overall I have a pretty Null real, I can see townie and scummy reasons for the things they have done.

flow trap · Post Post #815 (ISO) » Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:53 am

In post 812, flow trap wrote:https://www.braingle.com/games/werewolf ... 00;round=1

I go by a different alias, but you can probably figure it out

Oh, also days are way shorter so there are less posts

esotericzoomer · Post Post #816 (ISO) » Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:53 am

Spoiler: FULL CONTEXT

the 'what you think about floo answer' seems like some weird softball question you'd throw at a mafia partner to fake an interaction

esotericzoomer · Post Post #817 (ISO) » Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:53 am

other than that the interaction was a fairly different enchant than normal

esotericzoomer · Post Post #818 (ISO) » Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:55 am

In post 377, Enchant wrote:
In post 376, Fredrick A Campbell wrote:
In post 375, Enchant wrote:Mafia would say that.
What is that supposed to refer to?
Something.

What you think about Floo answer?

this feels like it could be openwolfing as well

flow trap · Post Post #819 (ISO) » Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:56 am

If it ends up not being Enchant, where do we go from there?

esotericzoomer · Post Post #820 (ISO) » Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:58 am

In post 819, flow trap wrote:If it ends up not being Enchant, where do we go from there?

myself? i would reread some slots pushing this with me as i doubt mafia would stay passive/neutral in this situation
but im 99.9999999999999999999999% this is just enchant/fredrick

quiet · Post Post #821 (ISO) » Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:04 am

Spartan117 wrote: About to go through them pages now, Just wanted to say I didn't say he wasn't ever helpful, I was referring to when I had asked him questions and he was dismissive/illusive. My frustration also stems from not being able to get a strong read on the slot, overall I have a pretty Null real, I can see townie and scummy reasons for the things they have done.

This is fair, didn't mean to misrep. your point, Spartan. I share your read on flow as null.
Very interested in your take on Enchant's 691-693. Frankly, you could read from 678 on and get the critical stuff.

flow trap · Post Post #822 (ISO) » Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:08 am

In post 820, esotericzoomer wrote:
In post 819, flow trap wrote:If it ends up not being Enchant, where do we go from there?
myself? i would reread some slots pushing this with me as i doubt mafia would stay passive/neutral in this situation
but im 99.9999999999999999999999% this is just enchant/fredrick

I'm not sure FaC is maf

quiet · Post Post #823 (ISO) » Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:08 am

In post 820, esotericzoomer wrote:myself? i would reread some slots pushing this with me as i doubt mafia would stay passive/neutral in this situation
but im 99.9999999999999999999999% this is just enchant/fredrick

The only real issue from my perspective with the enchant elim is that if they flip town, we have basically no real info.

They did enough suspicious things that pushing on them early doesn't look terribly bad.

Their self-vote openclaim Mafia Goon makes them so suspicious that literally anyone can vote them without looking bad.

There might be some info to find somewhere on a push on them, but frankly, it feels like Day1 part2 if they flip town, and it feels like who gets killed at night or bad solving or something would provide more info that anyone pushing the Enchant slot.

quiet · Post Post #824 (ISO) » Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:10 am

In post 822, flow trap wrote:I'm not sure FaC is maf

I'm not convinced either, but I tend to think EZ is a tunnly town as a result of the way they've pushed it/other slots today.