TM 2021 Large Normal: OEIS Mafia (Part Two Is Out)

[Titus]

I still think AGar is net towny

I struggle to see how anyone could feel Agar was townie without an informed perspective. The only things he's done so far are over react to my voye on him and OMGUS Cephrir.

[Titus]

again multitasking which is why this took so long

Hopkirk is close to a townread but he is not at the level of unwnd or hercule for me. i get the feeling he's just a good player which makes me paranoid of his scumrange. honestly my eyes glaze over his posting (potentially not ideal) but the vibe I get is that it looks like he's being helpful and engaging everyone in an effort to understand what's going on. if he's establishing himself to push an agenda i have a feeling we'll see it later but im very okay having this slot around for now.

JacksonVirgo - mostly a tonal read. i don't love 526 or 533 but the posts i thought were +town are: 534, 597, 598, 599, 647, 648. it's hard to explain it beyond just being openly frustrated and utterly not giving a shit about his thread perception which i have found in practice (in my anecdotal experience) to be a towntell for him.

A50 - this is like exactly the same as A50 in this one towngame we played and not at all how he played in this scumgame we did (granted he replaced in, which is different). there are moments like 112, 116, 619, 622 that ring eerily similar. "but it's just A50's playstyle!" you might say. okay sure maybe, that's why he's one of my weaker townleans i guess. also 737 is a really weird thing to post as scum but i obliged him since someone on my team thinks he can read him ok.

Xtoxm - unprompted and unpostury/interesting notes from Auro are good, i liked 642 for example. don't see an agenda from this slot, not postury, takes are pretty reasonable. other people townreading them too despite lack of content quantity which feels good. weaker townlean probably

TW - ill likely be revisiting this a lot bc im paranoid. here's the reasoning i gave earlier

rn it's leantown i think with the engagement and with the hinting on Datisi scumreading me so early (inside thing where town!Datisi has tunneled early town!me for two games in a row, i like that Datisi gave the read and the worst mentioned it unprompted). his entrance felt forced but on reread it's not bad. could be some confbiasing going on there so im conflicted, idk, im gonna just like worsty be a slow burn read for me.

and i think with your recent interaction with me im townreading you even more. i think your disengagement from this game is fine in the context of being busy and maybe even +town in a vacuum. also i think it's easy for scum!you to try and pocket me and you've done everything but engage with me and pocket me.

I'm ok adding IV to my townblock

[OkaPoka]

again multitasking which is why this took so long

Hopkirk is close to a townread but he is not at the level of unwnd or hercule for me. i get the feeling he's just a good player which makes me paranoid of his scumrange. honestly my eyes glaze over his posting (potentially not ideal) but the vibe I get is that it looks like he's being helpful and engaging everyone in an effort to understand what's going on. if he's establishing himself to push an agenda i have a feeling we'll see it later but im very okay having this slot around for now.

JacksonVirgo - mostly a tonal read. i don't love 526 or 533 but the posts i thought were +town are: 534, 597, 598, 599, 647, 648. it's hard to explain it beyond just being openly frustrated and utterly not giving a shit about his thread perception which i have found in practice (in my anecdotal experience) to be a towntell for him.

A50 - this is like exactly the same as A50 in this one towngame we played and not at all how he played in this scumgame we did (granted he replaced in, which is different). there are moments like 112, 116, 619, 622 that ring eerily similar. "but it's just A50's playstyle!" you might say. okay sure maybe, that's why he's one of my weaker townleans i guess. also 737 is a really weird thing to post as scum but i obliged him since someone on my team thinks he can read him ok.

Xtoxm - unprompted and unpostury/interesting notes from Auro are good, i liked 642 for example. don't see an agenda from this slot, not postury, takes are pretty reasonable. other people townreading them too despite lack of content quantity which feels good. weaker townlean probably

TW - ill likely be revisiting this a lot bc im paranoid. here's the reasoning i gave earlier

rn it's leantown i think with the engagement and with the hinting on Datisi scumreading me so early (inside thing where town!Datisi has tunneled early town!me for two games in a row, i like that Datisi gave the read and the worst mentioned it unprompted). his entrance felt forced but on reread it's not bad. could be some confbiasing going on there so im conflicted, idk, im gonna just like worsty be a slow burn read for me.

and i think with your recent interaction with me im townreading you even more. i think your disengagement from this game is fine in the context of being busy and maybe even +town in a vacuum. also i think it's easy for scum!you to try and pocket me and you've done everything but engage with me and pocket me.

I'm ok adding IV to my townblock

i dont think that's how townblocks work

iv is voting you

[Titus]

The unfortunate part is that AGar you're not one of the newblood so I have to actually read your posts instead of just guessing your alignment based on much you seemingly care

Newmeta players just typically hate being scum and won't even try

Yeah. Agar is basically just whining in a lot of words. At first he calls my vote baggage, and then he OMGUSes Cephrir, then he whines I locked onto him and calling the same behavior scummy when I was clearly giving him a chance to explain himself.

[Titus]

again multitasking which is why this took so long

Hopkirk is close to a townread but he is not at the level of unwnd or hercule for me. i get the feeling he's just a good player which makes me paranoid of his scumrange. honestly my eyes glaze over his posting (potentially not ideal) but the vibe I get is that it looks like he's being helpful and engaging everyone in an effort to understand what's going on. if he's establishing himself to push an agenda i have a feeling we'll see it later but im very okay having this slot around for now.

JacksonVirgo - mostly a tonal read. i don't love 526 or 533 but the posts i thought were +town are: 534, 597, 598, 599, 647, 648. it's hard to explain it beyond just being openly frustrated and utterly not giving a shit about his thread perception which i have found in practice (in my anecdotal experience) to be a towntell for him.

A50 - this is like exactly the same as A50 in this one towngame we played and not at all how he played in this scumgame we did (granted he replaced in, which is different). there are moments like 112, 116, 619, 622 that ring eerily similar. "but it's just A50's playstyle!" you might say. okay sure maybe, that's why he's one of my weaker townleans i guess. also 737 is a really weird thing to post as scum but i obliged him since someone on my team thinks he can read him ok.

Xtoxm - unprompted and unpostury/interesting notes from Auro are good, i liked 642 for example. don't see an agenda from this slot, not postury, takes are pretty reasonable. other people townreading them too despite lack of content quantity which feels good. weaker townlean probably

TW - ill likely be revisiting this a lot bc im paranoid. here's the reasoning i gave earlier

rn it's leantown i think with the engagement and with the hinting on Datisi scumreading me so early (inside thing where town!Datisi has tunneled early town!me for two games in a row, i like that Datisi gave the read and the worst mentioned it unprompted). his entrance felt forced but on reread it's not bad. could be some confbiasing going on there so im conflicted, idk, im gonna just like worsty be a slow burn read for me.

and i think with your recent interaction with me im townreading you even more. i think your disengagement from this game is fine in the context of being busy and maybe even +town in a vacuum. also i think it's easy for scum!you to try and pocket me and you've done everything but engage with me and pocket me.

I'm ok adding IV to my townblock

i dont think that's how townblocks work

iv is voting you

Haven't got there yet, but I'm ok with putting him in my never eliminate pile.

[Titus]

@Oka: Are you going to play MAFIA or are you going to criticize ppl's moves and antagonize them? I'd rather you just simply ask your team for individual reads on me and be done with it. I have my own reasons to ask everyone to channel their individual team members reads on me at this point. Thank you

Well, I think my team is rather behind. I know that doesn't help at all but if you have a specific question, I could flag my team.

[Titus]

586 from Titus is weird. At no point did I suggest Titus and ABR in any connection. Very weird extrapolation to pull from any of my posts that I specifically wanted them to "turn on each other." I tried to get some votes on ABR, but didn't opine to Titus for those, and I strictly took one shot at Titus because of history. Again, never appealed to ABR to vote Titus (which would've been weird as I was voting him).

This is weird, I'll give you that.

I can iso her with this stuff in mind later.

ABR and I have history. It's pretty common to those who play with us. Let's just say I can determine who isn't scum with ABR once he flips scum. It's a pretty obvious tell due to some parts of his personality I hope changed. I didn't get a chance to blacklist due to subbing in for Alisae after the blacklists were submitted. ABR would have been on it.

Agar's team would inform him of that as scum if he didn't know.

[Cephrir]

I see. I think the only game I've played with both of you you were both on my scumteam and busted the shit out of each other.

[Titus]

@Titus: Yours & chenn's reads on me have more weight that MC's. Mystis I don't even know bit it's always nice to learn how I'm being perceived by a total stranger

I'll ask Chenn to read you. I have a gtmh town read since you seem to have an agenda coming out which I should be able to sort if it's a town or scum one.

[Cephrir]

Bussed*

[Titus]

I see. I think the only game I've played with both of you you were both on my scumteam and busted the shit out of each other.

Yes. We had hydraed that game to try and sort our issues. It showed me fundamental issues with ABR's play that I just didn't like playing with. That baggage has persisted.

He made an offer to bury the hatchet prior to Team Mafia, which is why I didn't subout.

[Titus]

am i antagonizing you a50? if so im sorry

Chenn's only read mentioned so far is that you're town. So I'll try to work with you for now.

[Titus]

VOTE: titus

ok i dont mind voting here and agar made a cool post

Fml

[Titus]

yeah reading titus up to this point leaves me pretty unimpressed but i don't feel the need to vote it right this second

I'm not exactly impressive at this moment unless you agree with my conviction that Agar is scum. I hadn't done much. I was focusing on other games because I am overgamed.

[Titus]

I'd contest that isn't a read but I kinda agree a lot of the more vocal disagreements don't feel particularly manipulative (agar/Titus feels like it has the strongest chance of red atm)

how about like actual player reads? townreads can be hot too

Why does me v agar have the strongest chance of a red flip? If so, why did you wait for a wagon to vote me given your TR of Agar?

[Titus]

personally:

i have lean scums on like abr, a50, ceph, titus

and lean towns on <REDACTED INDIVIDUALS> i think i mentioned hopkirk before tho

why do you ask for my reads

Why are you redacting your TRs?

[Titus]

its a culture war between boomer and zoomer energies

only one thing unites both cultures and that is cute anime girl

I am on team zoomer energy

Since when?

[Titus]

@JV

I think you're ignoring the fact that I'm not the type of player who delves into deep reasoning for all my reads. You acting like this is a qualifier for me being town is just plain wrong. Towncrowned can 100% be blunt like that and I've done that multiple times since coming back from my hiatus.Yhe reasoning behind this SR is still bad.

In fact, I'd go as far as to say I feel more of a need to justify my reads and go in depth as scum than I would as town, but sure. Apparently I'm a mega analytical player in every game which multiple people in this plist and on other teams should be able to vouch that I most definitely am not anyone who played in Guns and Roses V & in One Night Stand should at least be somewhat aware of this.

This post feels contradictory but a sloppy kind of town contradictory.

[Titus]

gamestate/sanity check

for 42 pages, wagon movement has been awfully slow hasn't it?

That's par for the course for site meta and it makes people hard to read. Soon the thread should jump to massive wagon shifts that the mod can't keep up with.

[Titus]

Is it just me or is Agar being performative this game

Yes. Agar and I never have had the baggage he acts like it exists. Even if there was, we haven't played together in ages. I think it's true since my divorce.

[OkaPoka]

personally:

i have lean scums on like abr, a50, ceph, titus

and lean towns on <REDACTED INDIVIDUALS> i think i mentioned hopkirk before tho

why do you ask for my reads

Why are you redacting your TRs?

games are always more interesting with a little cageyness and also im insecure about my townreads

[Titus]

Titus - null-leaning-scum, but don't think pressure would serve us much yet. They indicated they would be around in a more engaging manner Tomorrow. They should be allowed to engage the game properly then and we can go from there

This is a fair enough stance given your townread on Agar doesn't appear to be fabricated (looked at the surface level detail but haven't engaged the content to verify).

[Titus]

can you explain what you mean by abr's wagon placement - just that he is not on a relevant wagon? does that diverge from your expectations of his scum game? why would you be voting the worst?
i'm kind of worried you might be scum. this is me trying to engage with you even though engagement is not usually my thing, sorry in advance if it becomes too much pressure

Answered in a reply to Dann.

[Titus]

personally:

i have lean scums on like abr, a50, ceph, titus

and lean towns on <REDACTED INDIVIDUALS> i think i mentioned hopkirk before tho

why do you ask for my reads

Why are you redacting your TRs?

games are always more interesting with a little cageyness and also im insecure about my townreads

The problem is this makes it harder to work with you. I don't agree with any of your scumreads either.

[OkaPoka]

personally:

i have lean scums on like abr, a50, ceph, titus

and lean towns on <REDACTED INDIVIDUALS> i think i mentioned hopkirk before tho

why do you ask for my reads

Why are you redacting your TRs?

games are always more interesting with a little cageyness and also im insecure about my townreads

The problem is this makes it harder to work with you. I don't agree with any of your scumreads either.

that's fine, im not confident enough on townreads to establish a frame of reference/poe to work off of yet