Mini Normal 2191 | Endgame

[ben dover123]

I wonder why this game is a 9p...
It's very interesting.

[nepenthe]

unfortunately for u, my good sir i think that ur opening was a bit scummy tonewise so i will VOTE: nepenthe

interesting and i won't disagree - rather, i want you to elaborate on why.

[nepenthe]

I read Nepenthe's question as strength as scum player only, my bad.

As town player... I'm usually very paranoid and try to find lies. That has helped me find scum, but it has often backfired too. Last game I tunneled the two best town players while townreading both the scum players for a pretty long time, pretty yikes.

i appreciated both answers. i've done that before; i tend to fixate on something i don't like in a person's thought process or something they've said and focus on that even after they've proved themselves, i guess? it's the one thing i'm always actively working on because i know i can get stuck in those mindsets if i don't stay consciously aware of what reads are stale versus not.

[DkKoba]

You're very self conscious and look as though u feel as though u need to towntell in a way that isn't offensive, even apologizing a lot.

[Umlaut]

I don't really get the scumread(s) on nepenthe's intro, "look at me openly refusing to follow site meta" is not a very natural scum opening play.

I wonder why this game is a 9p...
It's very interesting.

I can't tell if you're serious or not, what's interesting about a game being 9p?

VOTE: Zulfy
Every post he's made is pure scum

[DkKoba]

I don't really get the scumread(s) on nepenthe's intro, "look at me openly refusing to follow site meta" is not a very natural scum opening play.

I wonder why this game is a 9p...
It's very interesting.

I can't tell if you're serious or not, what's interesting about a game being 9p?

VOTE: Zulfy
Every post he's made is pure scum

He's apologetic abt it is where im having issue where there's a lot of self consciousness involved IMO

[Umlaut]

what’s your biggest strength as a mafia player? eschewing alignment, just focusing solely on self-perception.

I'm not sure I

have

strengths as a Mafia player, based on my last few games... but I suppose I'm pretty good at not outsmarting myself. As town I frequently find myself accused of having "surface-level" reads because I actually believe that things are quite often what they appear to be. These reads often turn out to be correct (at least better than pure random guessing) and I'm trying to get better at not letting clever people talk me out of them.

[Umlaut]

(Tbf I also find myself accused of surface-level reads as scum, it's just harder for me to feel indignant about it in that case )

[ben dover123]

I wonder why this game is a 9p...
It's very interesting.

I can't tell if you're serious or not, what's interesting about a game being 9p?

I thought mini normal's were only 13p games but I suppose not.

Also not sure what is up with nepenthe, nothing bad seems to strike me with his posts yet.

[Umlaut]

He's apologetic abt it is where im having issue where there's a lot of self consciousness involved IMO

I see what you're saying but I think the improbability of making any kind of attention-drawing play

at all

overwhelms the part where if they

did

decide to make a scene as scum they'd be self-conscious about it.

[DkKoba]

He's apologetic abt it is where im having issue where there's a lot of self consciousness involved IMO

I see what you're saying but I think the improbability of making any kind of attention-drawing play

at all

overwhelms the part where if they

did

decide to make a scene as scum they'd be self-conscious about it.

ok this is like bunk attention drawing play is player dependent not alignment dependent lol

[ben dover123]

jumping into this to say:

i know that random voting is site meta on MS but i guess i’ve never understood the point of it and as a contrarian, want to set myself apart from the many by not doing that yet. and announcing that i’m not doing it, to boot.

(also, gentle heads up that i think dkkoba’s pronouns are they/them. not to embarrass anyone but i know it’s important to have gender identity recognized externally.)

Pretty sure you guys are talking about this post which certainly is weird but I have done the exact same before in 2043 and the person who called it self-conscious turned out to be scum so...VOTE: Dkkoba

[DkKoba]

jumping into this to say:

i know that random voting is site meta on MS but i guess i’ve never understood the point of it and as a contrarian, want to set myself apart from the many by not doing that yet. and announcing that i’m not doing it, to boot.

(also, gentle heads up that i think dkkoba’s pronouns are they/them. not to embarrass anyone but i know it’s important to have gender identity recognized externally.)

Pretty sure you guys are talking about this post which certainly is weird but I have done the exact same before in 2043 and the person who called it self-conscious turned out to be scum so...VOTE: Dkkoba

At what point in the game did they bring it up? (plus im not that person so pls fuck off lol)

[ben dover123]

He's apologetic abt it is where im having issue where there's a lot of self consciousness involved IMO

Yeah but like I think it's honestly more town for the fact that nepenthe drew attention towards it in the first place so early on, and I have done literally the exact same in a past game.

He's apologetic abt it is where im having issue where there's a lot of self consciousness involved IMO

I see what you're saying but I think the improbability of making any kind of attention-drawing play

at all

overwhelms the part where if they

did

decide to make a scene as scum they'd be self-conscious about it.

Me and Umlaut having a bit of a mindmeld, I see?

Pedit:

jumping into this to say:

i know that random voting is site meta on MS but i guess i’ve never understood the point of it and as a contrarian, want to set myself apart from the many by not doing that yet. and announcing that i’m not doing it, to boot.

(also, gentle heads up that i think dkkoba’s pronouns are they/them. not to embarrass anyone but i know it’s important to have gender identity recognized externally.)

Pretty sure you guys are talking about this post which certainly is weird but I have done the exact same before in 2043 and the person who called it self-conscious turned out to be scum so...VOTE: Dkkoba

At what point in the game did they bring it up? (plus im not that person so pls fuck off lol)

This was also in the first page so that's why I'm concerned about it here too.

[DkKoba]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=85174

[DkKoba]

this game correct?

[ben dover123]

this game correct?

*nods*

[DkKoba]

wait they said u were defensive/passive LMFAO this is different literally fuck way off

[DkKoba]

tonally being apologetic IS a scumtell. scum guilt, as its called.

im not about to bet all my chips on it rn but its an EXTREMELY good place to start for me.

[ben dover123]

wait they said u were defensive/passive LMFAO this is different literally fuck way off

Same gist still, so that comparison clicks anyways.

tonally being apologetic IS a scumtell. scum guilt, as its called.

im not about to bet all my chips on it rn but its an EXTREMELY good place to start for me.

There isn't really any motivation to do it in the first place, and that's my point.

gtg for a few hours

[DkKoba]

"there isnt any motivat-" bro shut up im playing the game tf are u on about

[nepenthe]

You're very self conscious and look as though u feel as though u need to towntell in a way that isn't offensive, even apologizing a lot.

i think one apology is not "apologizing a lot" but i do find that people who are playing to an agenda (in this case, scum because i'm pretty sure this isn't a game with 3p - if it is, i'll cry) need to start early on trying to create a narrative surrounding other players so that later, when they attempt to build on that push, it looks more substantial than it actually is. try again, and this time, i want you to really analyze what i said and make a good case for it.

also, am i being pocketed by ben? is this what it feels like? am i the pet townie?

[lenora]

did my post now go through?

[lenora]

okay it worked now - i just noticed this game start - i'm sorry for inactivity

[nepenthe]

call it cynical but i think tone is a falsehood in a text based game early on, especially when you have no previous experience with a player to be able to judge whether or not they're communicating in a way that's out of character for them or, as you might say, "tonally" errant. i like to wait until the tenth page or so to start pretending i can read people for tone.