Newbie 2051: Iceland! - End!

[esotericzoomer]

myself? i would reread some slots pushing this with me as i doubt mafia would stay passive/neutral in this situation
but im 99.9999999999999999999999% this is just enchant/fredrick

The only real issue from my perspective with the enchant elim is that if they flip town, we have basically no real info.

They did enough suspicious things that pushing on them early doesn't look terribly bad.

Their self-vote openclaim Mafia Goon makes them so suspicious that literally anyone can vote them without looking bad.

There might be some info to find somewhere on a push on them, but frankly, it feels like Day1 part2 if they flip town, and it feels like who gets killed at night or bad solving or something would provide more info that anyone pushing the Enchant slot.

you're being too paranoid

[quiet]

Their self-vote openclaim Mafia Goon makes them so suspicious that literally anyone can vote them without looking bad.

This also makes me feel even better about elimming them, as I would think if they were not mafia, this wagon would be over and done with and we'd be in the night faze already. Like in a townEnchant world, mafia has a totally free elim just waiting for a vote.

[esotericzoomer]

I'm not sure FaC is maf

I'm not convinced either, but I tend to think EZ is a tunnly town as a result of the way they've pushed it/other slots today.

it's not really tunneling, i have an entire wall of reads so im bound to be confident here

[flow trap]

you're being too paranoid

This sounds scummy tbh

[esotericzoomer]

you're being too paranoid

This sounds scummy tbh

not being confident in your reads and double-checking everything will drive town into ruin

[quiet]

you're being too paranoid

Eh, I've already said I never find a vote outside of Enchant today, and I'm surprised it hasn't been hammered yet, frankly.

And the read wall was good! I townread you for it. I'm not convinced the way you are about Fredrick, and you've been pushing them since that wall. That's tunnly. I hope your herosolve is right though!

[esotericzoomer]

you're being too paranoid

Eh, I've already said I never find a vote outside of Enchant today, and I'm surprised it hasn't been hammered yet, frankly.

And the read wall was good! I townread you for it. I'm not convinced the way you are about Fredrick, and you've been pushing them since that wall. That's tunnly. I hope your herosolve is right though!

fair enough

[quiet]

Flow, hop on board the enchant train. Come on. You know you want to.

[quiet]

https://www.braingle.com/games/werewolf ... 00;round=1
I go by a different alias, but you can probably figure it out

Also my brain hurts trying to read for your posting style to determine who you are so I can then metadive you and see if this is how you always post and this kind of unnecessary complexity is why you are difficult to engage with lol. My running theory is that it's the one with the animated profile pic. It's just an obvtell.

[flow trap]

https://www.braingle.com/games/werewolf ... 00;round=1
I go by a different alias, but you can probably figure it out

Also my brain hurts trying to read for your posting style to determine who you are so I can then metadive you and see if this is how you always post and this kind of unnecessary complexity is why you are difficult to engage with lol. My running theory is that it's the one with the animated profile pic. It's just an obvtell.

Yeah, I'm Rove the Stickfigure

[quiet]

Yeah, I'm Rove the Stickfigure

God I feel so satisfied to be right about that. You’ve just boosted my reading confidence 2x.

Cool well can confirm Rove I mean Flow is perfectly capable of playing like this as
you were town that game? Or scum?

Well can confirm that they play mafia.

[flow trap]

Yeah, I'm Rove the Stickfigure

God I feel so satisfied to be right about that. You’ve just boosted my reading confidence 2x.

Cool well can confirm Rove I mean Flow is perfectly capable of playing like this as
you were town that game? Or scum?

Well can confirm that they play mafia.

Well I fakeclaimed that game, so town

[Prism]

Unlikely I can make it today but I'll try to squeeze some time in if I can?

Big fan of the increased content/activity

[Spartan117]

Doing a recap reviewing Enchants ISO and organically from 27 up to now.

To preface I had a decent town lean on Enchant like I mentioned in 746 from my review of the majority of the beginning of the game, I felt them very interesting with how they engaged whether intentional or not, causing reactions provoking discussion, not trying to hide away and blend into the background. Early game posts gave me that town vibe from them, i felt it more of a hunch from their behaviour and how they interacted with others.

Posts tended to be many but lacking depth and content, choosing to be more concise with their actions whether out of lack of interest for the game or trying to be mysterious.

in 471 he calls EZ out when he places his vote on a weaker scum read and not himself, I know some disagree but I think that is a legitimate read.

478 Was where I found his a bit sus, I didnt really understand his reasoning behind pre-claiming he would hammer anyone put to L-1. I could see some townie motive to it, on again pushing a motive to prevent a lolhammer.

577 he defends himself making a point about his serious and not serious behaviour and it all being read the same, 581 His refusal to review EZs wall isnt helping him and does appear scummy.

In the following posts after he seemed comfortable to egg on players to put their vote on him without seeming too uncomfortable about it more as if it is a challenge.

To preface this next part I can see definite scum motives behind the bizarre actions that Enchant chose to take from here on, but since the vast majority seem to be on the lynch Enchant train and it being scummy to view him as anything other than scum, I wish to play devils advocate and just try and look at things from a well what if enchant is town, perspective and if so what might be going on in Enchants head in this case. With everyone so focused on blanket scum claiming him I want to assess the possibility that it's not a 100% guarantee, because for me its not.

661 The post before the self vote he shares his opinion on Prism and welcomes quiet, not very like someone who wishes to leave the game.
In between that time and 691 where he self votes, he receives a vote from both Flow Trap and EZ. Quiet brings up about the L-1 hammer by Enchant if its still a thing in 686

I'm not sure if Enchant hadn't checked the previous posts and just voted himself as a reaction tester to see who might jump on it. there are 3 minutes after he places the vote on himself before he posts 692 so I personally believe in them 3 minutes he checked after he had placed the self vote and saw the other votes on him.

I was real mafia goon btw. Outplayed myself.

GG town.

I know it is probably very unlikely but it could be possible that he thought he self hammered and this was his reaction as the last message to chat before the chat would be locked. and it wasnt until 695 where EZ informed him he didnt self hammer that he then unvoted himself in 696 after EZ jokes about someone coming along to hammer him.

I dont like Quiets 697 In the same post he says

"But you weren’t super at risk from my perspective; I thought some of this was pressure"

and then follows it up with

"So uh, basically, I’m probably going to hammer you later today when I catch up"

He goes from in his eyes Enchant not being at risk and seeing some of the votes as pressure to then telling him he is probably going to hammer him, it feels a bit opportunistic in my eyes.

700 comes across to me as genuine town that has given up and doesnt know where to turn as it seems like everyone is scum reading him and he doesn't know what else to do, he follows that up by trying to open dialogue with quiet in 701 open dialogue being the opposite to what he has been accused of doing of trying to end the day early and stopping conversation.

704 After quiet tries to talk him out of self voting he explains why in 704 if he is around long term it will be harmful to town with,

"even if i save myself now, i hardly believe in ability to clean self later, where my death can decide game."

That feels to me as a very townie mindset to have where he is putting the best interests of the town before himself, something that scum wouldn't do.
712 again explaining the rationale for why his self hammer or at the very least death in general would benefit town, why would scum do that?

Personally I feel like Enchants is a provocative player by behaviour who I think has scum on his wagon, and I refuse to join this wagon.

Read through and thoughts are up to page 30 atm, need to go out to the shop right now will continue when I get back.

[Spartan117]

Glad I got that in before any hammer was made phew

[Enchant]

Spoiler:

Last post for a bit sorry for all the spam.

Spartan vs EZ is now the most interesting thing in this thread for me. Reading further, my first impression is town v town, but I want to revisit this and see if there’s anything to pick up. I’m walking back my immediate suspicion of Spartan a bit, but there’s something there. Also:

fyi I'm not paying attention to you (flow) as whatever alignment you are, you are anti town...

Huh. I’m breaking my word. This is an open question for anyone:

Do you think that flow trap’s play is anti-town? I’m curious where people stand. I don’t think it qualifies/am not convinced that it is, but I think hearing people’s current takes on this would be useful.

I'm not fully understand. If this is "Bad townie" then no, i can't see where he openly acting against town, and don't know why you call him that.

All play in ability they have. Playing badly is not enough to get called bad townie.

[Enchant]

Also, i appreciate efforts to townread me, it's kinda pointless, because here reasons to kill me regardless. I played badly and kinda deserved it. Whole you can think i doing this to get away, it's simple not true.

Just assume for a bit, what you will do if i flip Town, so you will not be catched out guard, when 99.9999999% mafia will reveal as Town.

I will hammer self when E-1 vote will posted, after i will say about my reads. Don't hammer me, ok?

[flow trap]

Who's TRing you?

[Spartan117]

Fredrick yes, but I don't see how it's preventing either when I have

★ Unlimited Vote Changes ★

Why do you want to prevent a Fredrick wagon?

[Spartan117]

Let me know if there's any other reads you want to talk about when you finish reading.

What are your thoughts on Sal? I feel like I need to re-evaluate the slot/give it some more thought, I'm also planning a re read of Safebet/quiets slot.

[Spartan117]

Ok, I think I'm going to place Salsa in the Leaning Scum but not open to shoot category

Could you explain your thoughts as to why you are leaning scum?

[quiet]

Heya enchant, can you give a full read list for posterity? Just everyone’s name and how you lean on them, though explanations are also appreciated!

Will try to get back on late tonight.

[flow trap]

Fredrick yes, but I don't see how it's preventing either when I have

★ Unlimited Vote Changes ★

Why do you want to prevent a Fredrick wagon?

Because I TR them

[flow trap]

Ok, I think I'm going to place Salsa in the Leaning Scum but not open to shoot category

Could you explain your thoughts as to why you are leaning scum?

I'm 99.9999999% sure it would be worse for town to share the reason, moreso than usual

[fferyllt]

Fredrick A Campbell has been prodded.