Newbie 2051: Iceland! - End!

[fferyllt]

Vote Count 1-14

On June 17, 1918 Iceland became a sovereign, independent nation, though Denmark's kings remain the heads of state.

Fredrick A Campbell

(2): Salsabil Faria, Spartan117

Enchant

(2): esotericzoomer, quiet

Salsabil Faria

(1): Fredrick A Campbell

Prism

(1): flow trap

Not Voting

(3): Enchant, Prism, floo

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Deadline: January 23, Midnight US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2021-01-22 21:00:00)

Mod Notes:

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[quiet]

Sorry wrong quote you know the one I meant.

For Enchant, if you're town the correct answer just isn't to selfhammer at all...but if you're not hammered and claimed mafia to troll, well, you kind of dug this hole yourself.

Hey prisim, does that unvote mean we are ever getting away from an elim there? If so, you’re a braver person than I. I smiled a bunch when I saw it though.

[esotericzoomer]

i dont

[Prism]

Sorry wrong quote you know the one I meant.

For Enchant, if you're town the correct answer just isn't to selfhammer at all...but if you're not hammered and claimed mafia to troll, well, you kind of dug this hole yourself.

Hey prisim, does that unvote mean we are ever getting away from an elim there? If so, you’re a braver person than I. I smiled a bunch when I saw it though.

None of Salsabil/FaC/Spartan/flow are currently inclined to vote there. This means 2 of me/floo/Enchant are required to vote to finish Enchant off. ie. Yes, me unvoting makes it hard to push through if I don't put it back.

Why'd it make you smile?

[flow trap]

VOTE: Salsabil Faria

Boop

[quiet]

He hardly read game at all.

Lowkey I think this first bit is a valid read. The rest, sure, filler, strange tests, okay, but:

Right now, reading Fred is deciding wether the fact that he has barely read and engaged with the game is:
1. scum trying to fly under the radar
2. slightly disinterested or busy town.

Scum by definition cannot be totally uninformed and totally disengaged, as catching up in a PT is a lot quicker than catching up to 35+ pages. Also they know the answers already. As scum, being disengaged and not having caught up is an act, especially if they are partnered with Enchant.

Problem is, I read their confusion/lack of engagement as pretty legitimate. A little anti-town, but not obvscum.

Not saying I townread Fred, I’m pretty null, but that’s my process for sorting Fred atm. Enchant’s read actually mentions it. So it’s not all filler. Hardly reading the game is a legit if very speculative reason to townlean someone.

[Salsabil Faria]

UNVOTE:

Just hit the reads list from Enchant.

and?

[esotericzoomer]

He hardly read game at all.

Lowkey I think this first bit is a valid read. The rest, sure, filler, strange tests, okay, but:

Right now, reading Fred is deciding wether the fact that he has barely read and engaged with the game is:
1. scum trying to fly under the radar
2. slightly disinterested or busy town.

Scum by definition cannot be totally uninformed and totally disengaged, as catching up in a PT is a lot quicker than catching up to 35+ pages. Also they know the answers already. As scum, being disengaged and not having caught up is an act, especially if they are partnered with Enchant.

Problem is, I read their confusion/lack of engagement as pretty legitimate. A little anti-town, but not obvscum.

Not saying I townread Fred, I’m pretty null, but that’s my process for sorting Fred atm. Enchant’s read actually mentions it. So it’s not all filler. Hardly reading the game is a legit if very speculative reason to townlean someone.

it in no way stands for a reason to townlean someone
saying, "he's hardly ever here" or "he hasn't read the game" is very much a copout way to read someone, i guarantee you he didn't read it the same way you do

[quiet]

None of Salsabil/FaC/Spartan/flow are currently inclined to vote there.

Yeah and ain’t that an interesting fact.

Why'd it make you smile?

It shouldn’t, it probably puts me on the shortlist of alternate elims and I’m having way too much fun to want that to happen, but it just feels like a hero fold in poker. Like, sure, in most games when someone claims mafia scum and says ggs after miscounting a self hammer, welp, that’s getting voted right out. But maybe we manage to get the high risk, EV- laydown in this one particular spot, and it turns out they were VT, and that just feels amazing.

Plus I want to know who enchant votes for when we take self elimination off the table. Feels like a therapy session. Believe in yourself! You don’t need to self eliminate. Trust in your reads! Now go out into the world and hunt scum!

It’s exciting, so I’m smiling. I just don’t know if I can find the fold myself. It’s just a scum flip with too much frequency.

[quiet]

i guarantee you he didn't read it the same way you do

Yeah fair.

Frankly I don’t know why I’m defending the readlist of someone I’m gonna keep voting regardless. I probably need to stop posting everything I’m thinking and try to be more focused.

[Prism]

UNVOTE:

Just hit the reads list from Enchant.

and?

947, rereading the slot from scratch atm.

[Enchant]

Why would you self hammer instead of letting us have the info of someone else hammering instead

I didn't think this about it well, i was somewhat obsessed with getting myself killed and when i was though i'm on E-1, hammered. After i reread posts and noticed i'm not dead and added "Ok i'm mafia" to ensure i will get executed. Yes, i not hammered because Quiet asked that.

About Fred. Yes. I don't know why i townread him. You probably remember about that vote he done on flow, which is unlikely for mafia to do, even if somewhat off (like really he acting like calm person but puts vote on instant because of question. It would seen as Mafia action for mafia, so i have feeling they wouldn't do that in first place.


Also you still say i'm troll, which is really untrue and why i explaining this is to prevent your pissed commentary about me when i flip and to prove that elumination of me is not harmful or even benefits town.

[flow trap]

Also you still say i'm troll,

No?

[Prism]

I didn't think this about it well, i was somewhat obsessed with getting myself killed and when i was though i'm on E-1, hammered. After i reread posts and noticed i'm not dead and added "Ok i'm mafia" to ensure i will get executed. Yes, i not hammered because Quiet asked that.

This is the sequence. You selfvote. 3 minutes later are these posts, posted within a minute of each other.

Oh sorry, i dind't saw this is on E-1.

I was real mafia goon btw. Outplayed myself.

GG town.

8 minutes later, after esoteric informs you that it was not E-1:

Oh no.

UNVOTE:

Are you saying that you realized it wasn't E-1 at the time of 692?

[Enchant]

Not you, it's just harder to quote.

I answered that to Quiet.

[Enchant]

Yes, i realisated that when i writed "Oh sorry didn't notice this is E-1.

Well, framing self kinda easy.

[Prism]

The timeline I'm getting is this:

1. You see you're at E-1. You decide to die. You selfvote.
2. You realize you're not at E-1. You post the "oh I didn't realize I was E-1" and the mafia claim to hopefully get a hammer.
3. You unvote unprompted after Esoteric
4. You don't revote when Quiet votes you so you can continue to dialogue with him.
5. At some point you decide life is worth living after all and repent

This all happened in about 17 minutes

[Prism]

3. You unvote unprompted after Esoteric says it's not E-1

EBWOP

[Enchant]

Nope.

I still want die and wait before you will do that. Nothing changed.
And i expect you to vote me out, and will against any elumination outside me, unless you find someone who looking like confirmed mafia. And you will not find him so early.

[flow trap]

This is sad

[Prism]

VOTE: Enchant

If you want to die so badly, I will grant your wish.

[Enchant]

Thanks.

[Enchant]

VOTE: Enchant

Punch this when you ready.

[quiet]

No. Bad. No self votes.

If five members of this town can’t decide to vote for you, then you shouldn’t die. That’s my strong take.

If you absolutely had no choice but to vote for another player, just on instinct, who are you voting for Enchant?

[flow trap]

I do want to vote them, just not yet