TM 2021: A normal roguelike

[Summer Nights]

liiiike please god give me something to work with @sirius so i can sort you

[Isis]

Votecount 1.4

• Sirius9121
  (1) - Summer Nights,
  
• Augustus
  Caesar
  (0) -
  
• Aristophanes
  (4) - DeasVail, petapan, Datisi, The Bulge
  
• Datisi
  (0) -
  
• Summer
  Nights
  (0) -
  
• Creature
  (0) -
  
• xofelf
  (0) -
  
• DeasVail
  (0) -
  
• The
  Bulge
  (0) -
  
• Adorable
  (1) - xRECKONERx
  
• petapan
  (0)
  
• xRECKONERx
  (2) - Aristophanes, Adorable
  
• beeboy
  (1) - Augustus Caesar

Not Voting (4) : Creature, xofelf, beeboy, Sirius9121
Deadline: (expired on 2021-01-29 21:00:00)
With thirteen alive, it takes seven votes to eliminate and seven votes to skip the day's elimination.

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Untrod Tripod killed a hobgoblin and a rat with his knife without needing to resort to poison darts, which have a chance to break when thrown even though they can be recovered. One hobgoblin didn't even wake up and was backstabbed.
Here is a hobgoblin and a gecko at the same time, and it's dangerous enough to need to throw darts. The first two missed, and the third inflicted poison. Now that the enemy is poisoned, Untrod Tripod is going to walk back away while the poison does its work. Best case scenario, the hobgoblin does no more damage before dying of poison, and then the gecko can be fought one on one.



We picked up two potions in empty rooms that we can drink if things start to seem desperate. It's risky because they could be poisonous.

[Datisi]

ok ok ok. first order of business.

@sirius

go ask ico what colour of role pm do i have. and whatever reasoning he has to come along with the answer. ok cool thanks.

quoting post 279 every day until sirius responds to it, day one

then there's reckoner + datisi + xof + creature (?) + ari (????)

is this tier supposed to be townlean or null

if it's townlean, the council would like you to Explain

(also tl;rd on the bulge read in any case)

[Sirius9121]

Apparently I'm getting limmed! exciting!

[Sirius9121]

@cactus hair

He says Bulge Guy is pingy.
he thinks 'why did you switch votes' is a scummy question to be asked in RVS and its looking for a way to murder me

[Datisi]

idgaf about bulge guy, what does he say is *my* alignment

[Sirius9121]

@cactus hair

[color=light green]he says u know its too early to ask him for reads[/b]

[Datisi]

ok you can live for now

[Sirius9121]

thank you for your graciousness i guess?

[Sirius9121]

liiiike please god give me something to work with @sirius so i can sort you

[Sirius9121]

liiiike please god give me something to work with @sirius so i can sort you

tbh tho
just ask me anything and i'll respond

[Augustus Caesar]

beeboy is a lot worse than Sirius because beeboy's playing to his scummeta while Sirius is playing to his siriusmeta

grumble grumble

[petapan]

beeboy is a lot worse than Sirius because beeboy's playing to his scummeta while Sirius is playing to his siriusmeta

you keep saying the things i want to say before i say them

really we're just chewing the fat before we decide we're gonna kill beeboy anyway

i'm voting him when he hits his prod timer

[Augustus Caesar]

yeah probably

[xRECKONERx]

beeboy is in activity danger range within 4 hours so i assume he's gonna be replaced then

[Aristophanes]

I'm being wagoned and from my quick skims as the game has progressed it looks like a pretty bad wagon tbh. I'm reading up now and must say that I appreciate the pace at which the game has been going.

Uh, yeah I'll have some stuff for you in a bit.

[Creature]

Might replace Sirius with Bulge in the list

[Aristophanes]

Okay, so let's do a reread from pg 1 since starting at page 6 of the game just seems lazy and I have the time.

The earlywagon on Sirius seems NAI entirely as it happened far too quickly to mean anything. I think the staying power of the votes might say something though. The Hectic intro was obviously a prewrite and the gimmick in the first few posts is to establish it. I'm not putting weight into them and will be disregarding the gimmick for the most part, as I have been when reading their posts.

Overall the xof votes are meh but I don't like Ydrass' vote. It feels just kind of shoehorned into the thread. No mention of the other votes on xof like Hectic had, no thoughts to the other wagon that was there, just a basically blank vote hopping onto a trend and then asking to be ignored. Like I get that the sig not being active is noteworthy and I appreciate them pointing out who they are (I missed the alt thing in the OP and was confused at first as to why there were alts at all) but it feels wrong.

Oh dear lord I'd actually not read Ydrasse/Hectic doing whatever it was they did with their alt storytelling interactions on pg 2 and I guess I actually owe Reck an apology. I still have my worries about him but yeah, I can see why the alt thing rubbed him the wrong way. Literally didn't read that and only saw the more toned down Hectic posts which was why I was so dismissive there. That said pg 3 Hectic is towny and I think he has a good handle on the earlygame here. Switching abruptly from the blatant altposting to the actual game content posts is +town and I think it says a lot. Scum Hectic could easily have kept up the games and not said anything helpful there.

Adorable/DV questions make Adorable look bad but as I said I think that's more because of their style than anything else and thus I don't think Adorable looks that bad for it.
DV, why was this the vote you asked about at this point in the game when there were like 9 votes floating around?

I don't like that Datisi reacted to Bulge's vote:

VOTE: sirius

the coveted 4th vote

a great player once told me that a 4th vote on a wagon is always town. i don't know if that's true, but i'll pretend to believe it anyway. +town.

without acknowledging the post directly after it which holds the opposing virepoint:

lots of scumtells from bulge, 4th vote on a wagon

This interaction, or lack thereof, gives me partner vibes on Datisi and Bulge, though we all know how reliable preflip associatives are especially this early in the game. I'll be keeping an eye on them regardless.

Yeah, Hectic is engaging the game and not hiding behind the alts. I like it a lot.

Pedit: FINE last question: why'd you ask Creature then? What was the purpose?

I think I missed this question earlier. I also think I answered a similar question from Datisi tho. It's just a joking question that I thought was a site meta meme at this point. I didn't expect an answer in any way.

oh sirius actually drew scum this game

VOTE: sirius

you have my attention

I'm annoyed that I was ignored here. We were edging out of RVS at this point and I would like an answer to this. In fact, it was done within the context of serious posts. Was it a joke or

siruis

serious and why?

sirius what were you doing Saturday afternoon from ~2:30 to 3:30?

This is weird and I don't like it or the implications of using out of game influence. If it's some joke then fine but it has big nope vibes.

i like puff so far
her being difficult and arguing about this stuff is town-indicative
our records show she's floaty and less antagonistic as scum
not a fan of the limelight

I'm not sure that this is true of them, but it may be. Do you have PuffScum meta to compare this to?
Like in Backrooms they were explaining how mafia worked to people who clearly know that and they were town so maybe it's not some legs to it but I'm pretty sure it's literally just a personality/playstyle thing. Also why wouldn't Grumpy Cat have posted this? They were in Backrooms with Puff and it would make sense from them! At least keep your alt-knowledge straight bro

I've made the executive decision not to read any of Hectic's posts this game because I fucking hate stupid posting gimmicks

I still don't like this post but I guess I get it.
I know I'm questioned later on my wording in response to my response to this response, but what I meant by Reck using this to tunnel them, as I believe I put it, is that if Reck sticks to the rage or commentary about this slot and thefact that Alts shouldn't be in this game and gimmicks are dumb rather than providing content I think that is scum indicative and a way to look busy without actually contributing. I haven't read what they've said after that response but I'm hoping they're *doing things* because otherwise this could indicate scum!Reck. I hope that makes things clearer here.

oh wow adorable straight up dipped on DV's line of questioning

VOTE: Adorable

I retain that this is standard for them.

Also Petapan dipped on my question above, was that not something you thought was noteworthy? What is the difference between the two in your opinion? (aka why is one worth voting and the other not worth commenting on?)

k that's the end of Page 4 so new post since this was a lot more than I expected to write here.

[petapan]

This interaction, or lack thereof, gives me partner vibes on Datisi and Bulge, though we all know how reliable preflip associatives are especially this early in the game. I'll be keeping an eye on them regardless.

dude are you kidding me with this

[petapan]

you didn't phrase 82 to me like a question so i saw no need to answer, and if even if you'd asked for an explanation i was just as likely not to give one

[Datisi]

was i supposed to acknowledge peta's non-serious (correct me if i'm wrong) read on bulge's positioning on the wagon because it contradicted my very-super-serious read on the same thing? and that gives you partner-y vibes because...? you think i'm so desperate to townread my buddy?

[Aristophanes]

her being difficult and arguing about this stuff is town-indicative
our records show she's floaty and less antagonistic as scum

can you talk how exactly was she being difficult here? like, she's started "arguing" about it only after i asked?

Do you expect someone to argue with themselves? Of course they didn't argue about it until they were prodded to

Gotta say the multiposting thing is going to kill me. It just feels like noise for the sake of noise and my eyes kinda glaze over as I read it. I also can't keep track of which is which, and who they're supposed to be underneath the alt, which is making that slot so much harder to read.(I also don't remember if it was just one of the public alts hyperposting or both, so that's a bad sign)
I am liking DV so far. The questions do feel like they're coming from a genuine place. I guess the term is solving? But it just feels like good reaction poking and I'm here for it.
Ari my love, why do you feel funny to me? There's this tone underneath your posts that don't quite feel genuine and more performative. Idk if it's AI, I just know unlike usual, reading your posts made my nose wrinkle up.
That's what I got for now.

I hope my wallposting helps
Wait! Xof why are your eyes glazing over at my long form posts!? I Thought I was Helping!!!
Yeah, Iunno why I would feel off to you here. Though I get told my forumposting feels fake all the time. Heck, I recall years of Reck holding this view I don't know if it persists tbh and I've heard it a lot less frequently in recent years, but it's always kinda there. It could have to do with the nature of our personal conversations being so different from the context of a Mafia game? Spitballing here entirely though.
I like your DV read as well, though I don't really read them either way from it. It's good to see where you're coming from on it!

i'm starting a new job next week.

Congrats btw! I hope you had a great start to the new job! <3

as for your point about adorable, taken a diff way, it's "well adorable's meta is to be strange and an easy vote".

i know nothing about adorable. i've never seen them before. and meta is trash anyway. i voted adorable bc of their exchange with DV, which i already said. that's not "strange". that's a straight up lie. adorable claimed to vote on nothing just pure RVS... then upon being questioned explained they did ACTUALLY vote for a reason... and then upon being pushed further by DV, completely ignored DV and jumped onto other things. that's scummy. idgaf about their meta.

About the underlined, yes. That was the intent of my post. This is twice I've been reworded so people could parse me now. Obviously I need to get better at expressing my points!
Adorable did a contradiction in RVS and followed it up with a flimsy reason based on their personal abilities and expectations within the game. I think that's fine tbh. I didn't read malice or intention to lie within the stream of posting. Is this a case of LAL? Because that's super weak, especially at such an early point in the game.

if you're interested in talking about my adorable read or xof read or dv read let me know ari. i think your jump onto me looks gross rn

I'll drop the Alt thing and hope we can move on from it. With that said,
UNVOTE: Reck
I think you vibing with xof is fine but I hope to see that develop as the game goes on because it's really baseline stuff at this point.
I think your read of DV is directly effected by your read on Adorable and I don't know that it is the best metric to base it upon.

@reck when you play scum and feel like a certain level of ~rage~ would be appropriate, do you find you are more likely to fake the emotion to fit the play, or do you prefer to allow real emotions to dictate your posting for a more natural effect?

You're asking Reck, the most staunch denouncer of meta, to self-meta? Yeah that'll end well

@ari, thoughts on 107? I'm not a big fan of the answer you gave

i only had 4 posts prior to you saying this so it should be EXTREMELY ez for you to point out where i feel 'off'

I don't remember if I answered you, Bulge. 107 was really combative but Reck obviously came into this game annoyed so I'm trying to give them some slack now.

Was this Hopkirk's meta read on Reck? I have had bad experience on meta reads because the players who town read a player for meta turned out to be scum in the end.

Not a fan of this response. Adorable, what are your reads on Reck and Hectic? Do you scumread Hectic for presenting a meta read? What about Reck for the vote on you? I see you dislike the vote, but is it scummy? What do you think of my using meta to defend you and what does that mean in regards to a read on me?

is there anything that you do like so far, adorable?

What a weird question.

is there anything that you do like so far, adorable?

is there anything *you* like so far?

Oh ew, what a weird question to UnoReverso.
Wtf is this??

Reck's reasoning to their vote looked suspicious to me. It was the way how they worded it because I went to sleep and they said I dipped.

In his defense there's no way he could know you went to bed there.

I didn't like the way how you just straight up voted me saying I dipped and without even engaging with me. I went to bed after I responded to DV and don't expect me to respond right away because I'm not active.

you literally posted replying to other people and not DV

you're *still* ignoring DV after being called out on it???

Reck, like, what do you expect as an answer here? "Yep, I guess I did have a reason. Oops" is about all I can see them saying in response to that and like, who cares at this point? There's a lot more to comment on and question and being hung up on an omitted answer that can only really be one thing and was done during the RVS stages of the game is just too much man.

@adorable, ...yea what reck said

Piggybacking on this is a bad look for you.

Oh, so part of my reasoning for townreading Puff earlier is because if she had a scumteam as well as Team Mafia teammates, I'd expect some level of coaching to be happening behind the scenes. And if that's the case, I don't see them letting her enter with a "early townreads are suspicious, how can you even have a townread so early" theory line of attack which is obviously flawed, and could easily attract attention/suspicion.
I asked her how much she'd conversed with her team though and apparently she only did after the fact. Still think there's validity in it though, because her team or scumteam would probably proactively try and help her out considering the occasion and all.

Uh, I think your conclusion might be right but this line of thought confuses me. Unless they asked for help with an OP it's unlikely their scumteam would jump into coaching them. And you discredit your read within this post? I just don't get the point of this.

I've played a lot with her. Reference being drawn from:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=84709 - town
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=84055 - town
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=83352 - town
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=82679 - scum

I thought Bulge was saying they don't disagree with the T/T take but we both ping as unwarranted/performative. Guess we'll find out when he clarifies.

Noted. I'll be taking a look at these at some point. Thanks Hectic! This answered my earlier question about whether you had scum meta with them.

is there anything that you do like so far, adorable?

is there anything *you* like so far?

yes! hectic + bulge + xof so far have given me good vibes.

Could you elaborate on these reads?


Oops big post from 2 pages maybe I should ease up...

[Aristophanes]

you didn't phrase 82 to me like a question so i saw no need to answer, and if even if you'd asked for an explanation i was just as likely not to give one

I gigured it was implied. Was it not implied? Do I need to be that explicit? Noted for later.

This interaction, or lack thereof, gives me partner vibes on Datisi and Bulge, though we all know how reliable preflip associatives are especially this early in the game. I'll be keeping an eye on them regardless.

dude are you kidding me with this

was i supposed to acknowledge peta's non-serious (correct me if i'm wrong) read on bulge's positioning on the wagon because it contradicted my very-super-serious read on the same thing? and that gives you partner-y vibes because...? you think i'm so desperate to townread my buddy?

Sure, both jump at me for this one earlyread. That really helps your case

Yes I was serious here. It's something I thought was a weird interaction to not have happen. I don't think you were that desperate to townread a buddy, but I don't see why you would make a directly opposite joke without acknowledging the previous mention of it? Like usually that would be the kind of joke made in the next post, not on a different page. It just has weird vibes all over it.

It's really earlygame stuff though, so it's not like I'm giving it a lot of weight. The reaction to it is really interesting though.

[petapan]

no offense but it feels like you're forcing analysis here

but as promised

VOTE: beeboy

because let's face it, this is what he does as scum, promising to read later and not post, anyone who knows him knows it, the game is so slow it shouldn't be a problem at all

[Aristophanes]

no offense but it feels like you're forcing analysis here

but as promised

VOTE: beeboy

because let's face it, this is what he does as scum, promising to read later and not post, anyone who knows him knows it, the game is so slow it shouldn't be a problem at all

That's fine, you're allowed to read into it.

I think a beeboy vote here is meh.

I mean, beeboy could and should be getting help from their team, meaning a lack of posts implied a lack of time/presence. I don't think we should let them off the hook with more proddodges, but Limming an inactive player is a cop out when we have a decent amount of content to base a Lim on here.