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Post Post #1025 (ISO) » Sun Jan 17, 2021 8:43 am

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In post 1006, Andresvmb wrote:I was going back and ISO’ing Tris, and I find to be strange. They had shaded Cook in , , and , and had been pressing them on something they thought Cook had been lying about (see ), but then they ask Cook to vote with them onto Facebones?
I was trying to get them to vote for someone that they apparently scumread.
@Tris, can you give me an updated view of the game from your POV? And do you think between Cook/nopoint, nopoint is the better vote?
at this point, i think cook is making it clear that they are scum, so that lol.
but, even before i would have said cook. i voted for nopoint because i wanted to see what would happen with this flashwagon koba wanted to do. the results of that have strengthened my koba townread. i'll have to take a look over nopoint. if cook really is flipping scum here, that's probably a good sign, but i'll to see if i think it could be a bus.

my view of the game generally. well, i listed my towns. not sure who the other mafs are yet. gonna go take a look. if had to guess a name right now, i'd say... maybe facebones after all.
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Post Post #1026 (ISO) » Sun Jan 17, 2021 8:45 am

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Vote Count 1.16 FINAL



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Cook (7):Andresvmb, Jim Hawkins, DkKoba, nopointinactingup, Flea The Magician, RLotus, Prince Zuko

Andresvmb (2):
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geraintm (1):
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With 13 alive it takes 7 votes to eliminate

An elimination has occurred

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Post Post #1027 (ISO) » Sun Jan 17, 2021 8:55 am

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Cook has been eliminated. They were....


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Post Post #1028 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:39 am

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Prince Zuko has been murdered. They were....


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Post Post #1029 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:48 am

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Day Two Starts!


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nopointinactingup, RLotus, Andreavmb, bugsray, Jim Hawkins, geraintm, Egix96, Facebones, DkKoba, tris, Flea The Magician

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Post Post #1030 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:03 am

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hello all
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Post Post #1031 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:05 am

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so, all i spent the night thinking was about what the counter wagon was at the end of the day because there must have been an effort by scum to try and save Cook.
and i am almost certainly being myopic about it, but the only one i can recall was Andres' trying to push me.
i don't think i have any reason to not start today the same way i ended yesterday

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Post Post #1032 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:06 am

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In post 1030, geraintm wrote:hello all
Do you have any updates you want to share on how you’re looking at the game now?

The Zuko NK is interesting, but not particularly revealing actually.
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Post Post #1033 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:06 am

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VOTE: gerain hardclaim mason with zuko lets go
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Post Post #1034 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:06 am

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In post 1031, geraintm wrote:so, all i spent the night thinking was about what the counter wagon was at the end of the day because there must have been an effort by scum to try and save Cook.
and i am almost certainly being myopic about it, but the only one i can recall was Andres' trying to push me.
i don't think i have any reason to not start today the same way i ended yesterday

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I mean haha this is a pretty bad take to the developments yesterday, but sure.
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Post Post #1035 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:06 am

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andres is always town here
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Post Post #1036 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:07 am

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In post 1033, DkKoba wrote:VOTE: gerain hardclaim mason with zuko lets go
I actually caught your soft. You probably didn’t even have to do this.
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Post Post #1037 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:07 am

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andres is always town here
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Post Post #1038 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:07 am

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“The only person I trust right now is Zuko” or something like that.
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Post Post #1039 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:08 am

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Im just strongarming onto gerain lol
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Post Post #1040 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:08 am

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In post 1038, Andresvmb wrote:“The only person I trust right now is Zuko” or something like that.
Oops lol
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Post Post #1041 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:09 am

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In post 1039, DkKoba wrote:Im just strongarming onto gerain lol
Yes, I don’t ever have to swing it against Cook like that. And geraintm pretending that I was trying to move the wagon away from Cook is just laughable.
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Post Post #1042 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:09 am

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, - +town for bugspray - I don't think it likely that scum would call attention to 34 that soon.

- +town for andres.

- I'm feeling tempted to just lock in bugspray as town and never look back. Okay, that might be a small exaggeration, but still.

- TMI-s bugspray as town. Someone who didn't know their alignment wouldn't regard a mod question as AI.

- Koba prob town from this.

- This kinda feels like scum PT talk slightly adapted to be safe to post in the game thread.

- OTOH, the tone of Cook's response does feel like he is talking to town.

- Not an interaction involving Cook, but still, I wanna imagine Esooa wouldn't say this if she were actually scum.

- Not sure how Koba arrived at this conclusion, but still, noting it for reference.

- Oh you.

- Slight +town for andres. Only slight since there's still a chance this was just a sloppy distancing attempt.

- I presume that this is referring to 87.

, - +town for Esooa, due to the policy elim angle.

- Koba +town for wanting Cook to elaborate on reads. solidifies this.

- "at first i thought andres was scum but then he said something somewhere that I'll dig up in a moment that like reversed all of that" - Huh, not entirely sure what to make of that line but still feel like having a note of it here.

- "cook- he has been quite awkward with his posting, but perhaps that is just how he posts, null for now" - Minor non-s/s vibes from this.

- +town for tris.

- Considering that the main wagon at the time was on scum, the timing of this post is... yeah.

- Polaris slot +town slightly for opportunistic timing of vote.

- "Slight Lean Town [...] Cook" - Oof er okay. I'm noting that there were a total of five players in the tiers below.

-> - Irritation towards Cook mayyybe not s/s?

- Okay maybe not. Andres scum, Jim town?

, - Occam's razor says that nopoint is just town here.

- +town for tris again.

- Potentially partnery post.

- I don't think it likely that partner!Zuko would be the only name in the "Town" tier.

- "Cook has been quite awkward as has been pointed out many times. Not sure if that is just how he plays as town, but still a reasonable chance we just hit scum there. This is where my vote is going if it is between Jim and Cook." - +town for Lotus.

- "My interpretation is I think scum want to get out the only voice who was somewhat verbally opposed to their agenda of eliminating Cook" - Hmm not sure about this one.

- This vote is probably not s/s given the context.

- +town for questioning the inclusion of Cook in town core.

- "Your level of confidence on FB and now Cook is starting to freak me out. I don't think either FB or Cook have acted in a way that is obvtown. To me it seems like you are seeing someone do something towny and jumping the gun and overreacting." - I was going to note this as +town for sentence #2, but seeing as this also throws shade at Koba I'm kinda hesitant.

- I'm unwilling to regard this vote as a point in andres's favour since "deadline soon" was a pretty bogus excuse anyway.


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Post Post #1043 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:09 am

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i mean u literally pushed me into voting there when i was being silly and townread cook after pushing them LOL
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Post Post #1044 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:10 am

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TOWN:

Jim:
- Counter-wagon to Cook.
- Cook's vote on Jim in an attempt to save himself.

Bugspray:
- Cook's tmi and slip about Bug being town at Post#88

Esoa/Tris:
- From Cook's Post#199, it looks like Esoa vs dk maybe really TvT (since he's asking Andres how does Andres know it's TvT). Also the way Cook was encouraging that fight really looked like he was trying to get towns to bash each other's heads in.
- From Cook's Unvote in Post#303, it sounds like Cook was reverting his scum-read to "not rock the boat" and try to sound friendly.
- I liked the progression of how Tris was questioning Cook on Post#357, 539. A scum partner would not reiterate contrived questioning. Also, I don't believe Cook was talking to his scum partner all day here.
- Post#1025 looks like she's trying to draw the NK away from me by suggesting I could be bussing.

Andres:
- Cook participated in flashwagoning of him in Post#696. Also Andres was the counter wagon to Cook at that moment.
- His vote on Post#921 was decisive to getting cook lynched.

Lotus:
- Post#381, Post#528 defense of Jim is quite good, considering Cook is on Jim's wagon.
- Also really liked his analysis from an uninformed perspective. His place on the Cook wagon is well-developed and justified.

Flea:
- Cook's Post#530 generating conspiracy theory likely on a town slot.
- Stream of thought is somewhat towny. But should check on whether this person has done something like that before as scum.

Facebones:
- Cook's Post#651 shading Facebones

SCUM:

Egix:
- Haven't done much.
- a little bit scummy for being on vanity wagon.

Geraint:
- Haven't done much at all. I have him down here because of Andres.

dkkoba:
- Cook unvote of dkkoba on Post#59 after a slight shade, it's rather textbook distancing behavior.
- Post#382, derailing Cook's wagon to start a flash wagon on an inactive slot. My interpretation is dk tried to take advantage of Lotus replacing in and trying to sort out his read.
- Post#388 spinning up a conspiracy theory of Jim when Cook is being wagoned. This could be what I was talking about when I said there is considerable resistance to Cook's wagon despite his scumminess.
- Contrived "I liked his reply" when Cook's reply to dk's question was a hanging "one second" on Post#352.
- Consistent defense of Cook as limbait in Post#835, Post#842, Post#876, then chainsawing me like maddog when the Cook wagon was stale at that particular moment. This shows hyper-awareness of the possibility of a buddy getting the ropes.
- Complete fictitious reasoning to get Andres to vote me as I outlined Post#918.
- There is possible reason for dk-town though. From Cook's Post#199, it looks like Esoa vs dk is really TvT (since he's asking Andres how does Andres know it's TvT).

Like I can certainly see a scenario in which dk is town and is just really bad, but unfortunately for him there's a lot of townish people in this game.

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So my solve is Cook + dk + (Geraint/Egix). I'm pretty confident this is right.
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Post Post #1045 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:10 am

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Post Post #1046 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:11 am

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In post 1042, Egix96 wrote:696 - I'm unwilling to regard this vote as a point in andres's favour since "deadline soon" was a pretty bogus excuse anyway.
Egix I have you as the second most likely person to be Scum I think. Your POE before you tried to attach yourself to Cook was {Me, nopoint, Lotus, Jim}. So yeah, trying not to give me any benefit for being a counter wagon to Scum is uhm... interesting.
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Post Post #1047 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:11 am

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In post 1033, DkKoba wrote:VOTE: gerain hardclaim mason with zuko lets go
Is this a claim?
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Post Post #1048 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:11 am

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In post 1036, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 1033, DkKoba wrote:VOTE: gerain hardclaim mason with zuko lets go
I actually caught your soft. You probably didn’t even have to do this.
Idk it was pretty obvious to me as well as soon as I saw the NK flip.
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Post Post #1049 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:12 am

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In post 1033, DkKoba wrote:VOTE: gerain hardclaim mason with zuko lets go
did you not investigate me overnight? i assumed you were from your post yesterday, and so i know if you had you wouldnt be voting for me.
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