TM 2021 Large Normal: OEIS Mafia (Part Two Is Out)

[Hopkirk]

i was townreading unwnd until today and i'm voting them without necessarily scumreading them right now. i want to review that slot. i'm very concerned with their team as much as i am with the slot right now.

[hercule]

i was townreading unwnd until today and i'm voting them without necessarily scumreading them right now. i want to review that slot.

i'm very concerned with their team

as much as i am with the slot right now.

can you elaborate on this without breaking any rules? i thought i knew what you meant before but now I'm a bit confused

[OkaPoka]

i have a picture of what unwnd scum would play like even though ive never played with unwnd scum before and its why im townreading that slot, but yeah its not exactly a scientific way of playing

well, go on then, share with the class!

unwnd as a person complains a lot about site culture and holds the opinion that scum suck because they put in minimal effort and scumhunting sucks these days because scum aren't even willing to play properly.

as a result i suspect unwnd would be the scum player that puts up reasonable effort in actual actively doing stuff

but this recent hopkirk case at first is complete cheeks and lazy even if it might be right, it would be right for the wrong reasons probably. there are a lot of better ways to attack hopkirk than introducing your case with a ramble about site culture and ending with a talk about buzzwords. idk maybe im crazy but i feel almost as if unwnd as scum would put in a bit more effort in digging up quotes and running a pbp analysis or something on casing hopkirk purely because i think unwnd sees that type of scumplay as very strong against how he perceives site culture meta.

but this is a very illformed thought because i have no idea of how unwnd actually plays lmao


also forming a townbloc without hopkirk or unwnd's consent as they crossvote each other is very much intentional

[OkaPoka]

in other words my meta on unwnd isnt games its the mafia discussion section

[unwnd]

Lmao I love the conclusion you made chicken man

I'm super backloaded right now and I highly highly regret it

I am no coward though so I'm sorta just sifting through my priorities

Luckily I have time to redo my thoughts on Hopkirk, because I do feel strongly about it

[OkaPoka]

the better the case you make the more i have to scumread you by obligation so beware anime cat? girl? ribbons? idk

[hercule]

i have a picture of what unwnd scum would play like even though ive never played with unwnd scum before and its why im townreading that slot, but yeah its not exactly a scientific way of playing

well, go on then, share with the class!

unwnd as a person complains a lot about site culture and holds the opinion that scum suck because they put in minimal effort and scumhunting sucks these days because scum aren't even willing to play properly.

as a result i suspect unwnd would be the scum player that puts up reasonable effort in actual actively doing stuff

but this recent hopkirk case at first is complete cheeks and lazy even if it might be right, it would be right for the wrong reasons probably. there are a lot of better ways to attack hopkirk than introducing your case with a ramble about site culture and ending with a talk about buzzwords. idk maybe im crazy but i feel almost as if unwnd as scum would put in a bit more effort in digging up quotes and running a pbp analysis or something on casing hopkirk purely because i think unwnd sees that type of scumplay as very strong against how he perceives site culture meta.

but this is a very illformed thought because i have no idea of how unwnd actually plays lmao


also forming a townbloc without hopkirk or unwnd's consent as they crossvote each other is very much intentional

honestly, site meta / culture comments aside, that reasoning vibes with me because it would be such a lame fucking push from unwnd as scum that would be so unnecessary for them to do, don't really know why they would paint a target on themselves without a real case to back it up. like idt u really have to have an idea of unwnd's scumplay to think it seems town-motivated rather than scum-motivated. it would be one thing if like a solid towncore was assembling that scum needed to break up + start spewing about deepwolves, but that wasn't really the gamestate at all

[unwnd]

Shrine Maiden, but close

[OkaPoka]

yeah and its probably? not SvS because hopkirk admittedly reacted pretty poorly to the case that really felt more like the ramblings of an old man nostalgic for a bygone era that may have never existed

maybe not now but that exchange was pretty hilarious

[hercule]

yeah and its probably? not SvS because hopkirk admittedly reacted pretty poorly to the case that really felt more like the ramblings of an old man nostalgic for a bygone era that may have never existed

maybe not now but that exchange was pretty hilarious

lmao if that was SvS it would be a pretty funny attempt at self-sabotage for no particular reason, imagine having TMI on your partner and the best case you can make is "well they were rude" (LOL i know i'm trivializing a bit but allow me the dramatic effect)

[unwnd]

You guys are embarrassing me and making me regret even attempting to case him

Should've just naked voted like all the mysterious people

[AGar]

more immediately, agar - what is DGB doing as scum?

I did qualify this in 840 that some of this is gut driven, but DGB came out of the gate with a confidence that pinged as off. DGB's reads have been mostly of the blasé unimpeachable variety, but I felt that the read on Hopkirk in 332 was trying to slip one by and put feelers out based on distorting the facts. The denial of noticing ABR in 667 felt cagey and weirdly unnecessary to say "I barely noticed them" rather than attempting to coalition with a player that DGB wasn't actively scumreading. Townblocking and townhunting is fine and the hot new rage, but the absolute scarcity of engagement with anyone that DGB hasn't townblocked is concerning, and a naked readslist seems useless and actively trying to pass off as doing something in a format where you have teammates. Zero attempts to engage with the current wagon, zero attempts to parse other spots for pressure, and zero attempts to parse out the burgeoning null-list that is growing. As far as I'll dive into meta is I know DGB plays an, um, unconventional game. But this stinks of scum.

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Worst and Oka have thoroughly picked apart Xtoxm's (and Auro's, I guess) logic wrt Titus so I'll just say I support the things they questioned.

VOTE: Hopkirk

You guys don't know it yet, but this has been scum all along

Quoi?

Maybe it's my own impatience but I've mulling over my vote on AGar and came to my own conclusion he isn't going to respond.

Honestly I feel like we've just been talking past each other and talking more vague than specifics. If you have a succinct question I missed, I'll try and answer but I do think we just have fundamental differences on how we think town should play. Like, 1060 was "talk to me in real time" which 1) is super vague and 2) is really tough for me to be like "ok yes" because I do very much check a thread, post, and usually go do something else. That's just my life at this point. 1109 got a little closer in terms of more specific points, but "I'm open to criticism/complaints" is pretty vague when my problem boils down to "We just play differently." I don't think it's bad, and I'm coming around to a more reasonable read just from reading with that perspective. But I don't have a criticism of your playstyle, if that makes sense. It's just hard for me to put my brain into at this point.

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Whew Hopkirk's back and forth with unwnd this afternoon was surprisingly terse.

@Hopkirk

What specifically about the interactions between 1263 ("townread him before. probably still do.") and 1288 (unwnd not on your list of townreads) moved unwnd in your reads? Feels very much like some blinders are on, to be honest.

[hercule]

You guys are embarrassing me and making me regret even attempting to case him

Should've just naked voted like all the mysterious people

lmaoo bro i'm sorry, i genuinely like, want you to try to show us what you see. i can be obnoxious like this sometimes but i'm certainly fallible. all cases and tinfoils are worth pursuing.

[OkaPoka]

what were agar and unwnd disagreeing about anyways? id think they'd get along

agar is very reminiscent of a bygone era of ms.net players that unwnd likes (i think)

[Hopkirk]

i was townreading unwnd until today and i'm voting them without necessarily scumreading them right now. i want to review that slot.

i'm very concerned with their team

as much as i am with the slot right now.

can you elaborate on this without breaking any rules? i thought i knew what you meant before but now I'm a bit confused

he just said 'his entire team' is sus of me. ask your partners about that in your discords.

@Agar - i didn't put him in my townblock because i want to reviewhim so probably town. this thing today is weird and shook my confidence in a slot i liked until now. i realize i'll probably like it again when i'm not as mad at him in a couple of days

[innocentvillager]

this is unwnd's most recent scumgame (i believe), hopefully me picking it out is less biased than unwnd picking a scumgame out. he definitely puts in the effort as scum, y'all can make your own conclusions about him if you want

[OkaPoka]

okay so let's form the read unwnd committee

dunnstral, titus, innocent villager are the members of this committee

[unwnd]

this is unwnd's most recent scumgame (i believe), hopefully me picking it out is less biased than unwnd picking a scumgame out. he definitely puts in the effort as scum, y'all can make your own conclusions about him if you want

I distanced my partners so damn well in that game just to get boxed in because FL took my fucking role

[AGar]

what were agar and unwnd disagreeing about anyways? id think they'd get along

agar is very reminiscent of a bygone era of ms.net players that unwnd likes (i think)

It centered around IV and IV's behavior early on, for the most part.

Also, you can just call me a boomer instead of hiding it.

He completely ignored the wagon on me for like... 200 posts, even as it was at the forefront of the game, but when pressed for a read on that largest wagon, he couldn't be fucked to read my 5 post ISO?

@Hercule

Can you elaborate on this tidbit for me? It was noticed by myself and my team that you just happily plugged along while I was being run up and didn't even make a sound about it in one direction or the other. Hopkirk asked in 709 among other people and your response was basically that you needed to ISO me, and then didn't get any attention on that until after I had posted my large spew later on.

@Agar - i didn't put him in my townblock because i want to reviewhim so probably town. this thing today is weird and shook my confidence in a slot i liked until now. i realize i'll probably like it again when i'm not as mad at him in a couple of days

Gotcha. Appreciate the awareness.

[OkaPoka]

no i reserve boomers for people who complain about modern gameplay

you are just old school

[Cephrir]

im actually somewhat comfortable with inviting ceph in as well and we both mutually townread him too

okapok, hercule, unwnd, hopkirk, ceph what are the odds any of us are scum

there's always a chance
probably a lower chance than if you took a random swipe at the playerlist tho

[Cephrir]

i do wonder if unwnd has a good scum game i guess but i don't really think this is the game where we find out

[Cephrir]

i was townreading unwnd until today and i'm voting them without necessarily scumreading them right now. i want to review that slot. i'm very concerned with their team as much as i am with the slot right now.

i think ur just mad bro

[hercule]

he just said 'his entire team' is sus of me. ask your partners about that in your discords.

well he kind of elaborated that beeboy and Ampharos didn't offer any insight, and MariaR and Menal were mainly sheeping him. So yeah I think he was overstating it but it wasn't as sus as I was originally thinking (aka he was straight up lying) - and that's what I thought you were originally getting at

@Hercule

Can you elaborate on this tidbit for me? It was noticed by myself and my team that you just happily plugged along while I was being run up and didn't even make a sound about it in one direction or the other. Hopkirk asked in 709 among other people and your response was basically that you needed to ISO me, and then didn't get any attention on that until after I had posted my large spew later on.

I think I did elaborate on it twice but yeah in an 18 person game I don't feel the need to chime in on everything, and the bw on you was interesting to me but I didn't feel the need to discuss it, just let it run its course and see if anything shakes out, and if there's something interesting to me I will comment on it. It would have been highly surprising to me if people actually even put you at, say, L-2, at that point in the day. When I gave the snap reads to Hopkirk I didn't realize how small your ISO was, I was mainly just trying to answer each question off-the-cuff. I only dug into Titus' ISO because I realized I didn't remember a single thing they had said or done. Sorry if my attention to your slot was lacking at that point lmao it's a big ass game you're just gonna have to deal with it

[hercule]

im actually somewhat comfortable with inviting ceph in as well and we both mutually townread him too

okapok, hercule, unwnd, hopkirk, ceph what are the odds any of us are scum

there's always a chance
probably a lower chance than if you took a random swipe at the playerlist tho

who would you remove if you had to pick one?