TM 2021 Large Normal: OEIS Mafia (Part Two Is Out)

[Dunnstral]

*convenes*

what are we convening about

Tenet just ended, does this affect anything?

I guess you were scum so you knew everything anyway. Also that game is a good reason for me to have you at null and not a townread right now (which is honestly where I have you anyway, because while I like reading your posts I'm not seeing anything that is out of range for scum)

[Dunnstral]

Do you think unwnd looks similar here to how he played in that game?

What about me?

Those are the big ones I think

[Cephrir]

*convenes*

what are we convening about

Tenet just ended, does this affect anything?

I guess you were scum so you knew everything anyway. Also that game is a good reason for me to have you at null and not a townread right now (which is honestly where I have you anyway, because while I like reading your posts I'm not seeing anything that is out of range for scum)

yeah nothing is news to me here <_<

that's totally valid of you and i respect it.

[Cephrir]

Do you think unwnd looks similar here to how he played in that game?

What about me?

Those are the big ones I think

no, i guess, he was doing more like giant ass solving posts in that game and putting effort up to 11, but i think he's town here anyway.

it doesn't really have much impact on my opinion of you, i'd say you feel similar if i had to choose yes or no but i have no reason for that at all.

[Cephrir]

honestly like, given my history, probably no one should townread me ever. i'm a very good scum player and i've had quite a number of outstanding games. but that sucks and would make me not want to play mafia anymore so please don't do that.

[Dunnstral]

I'm not scumreading you, I just don't see a reason to townread you. Or rather, I think townreads are lazy and charisma based. Same thing for Unwnd, it feels like he's being townread for talking, when I feel he is well within his established scum range, in a game that IV linked.

[Cephrir]

i was thinking about actually looking at the game that IV linked. disentangling charisma from towniness is really hard and i don't know if i believe i'm especially good at it.

[OkaPoka]

sometimes you just have to concede that some players cannot be caught without info

[Dunnstral]

I don't really do the 'I can never trust this person' thing

DGB feels vaguely good but don't trust me to read there.

JV gets scumread a lot when he's town and this game hasn't moved past that point yet, so I don't suspect him (this is a null read)

Hercule looks genuinely towny now that we've moved past the early stuff

Titus, A50, ABR, I have no idea.

Never played with Ythan, keeping an eye out here now that IV has cased them

IV looks more natural after making that case and some other stuff. Couple of weird posts.

the worst is unimpressive

OkaPoka I'm trusting other people that he's town. I don't have any problems with them.

Hopkirk looks like town to me. I've seen them upset before in a game. This anger did feel overblown a bit though.

Unwnd I talked about and I didn't like his push on hopkirk. 762 feels out of character for unwnd and frankly scummy; also I thought it was talking about me for reasons but then they threw me into a would vote list without reasons so.

Winter Flakes: What do they mean by 1242? I don't think this game is that confusing. Otherwise I was townleaning them and wasn't convinced by the push against them

Xtoxm: It feels like they're not capable of posting unless they have their team behind them. Not sure what that means. Otherwise I was thinking playstyle clash but I'm not really a fan, hence my vote.

Dannflor: Pressure here in the future will be worthwhile. Exchanged banter and asked a few questions, and joined a few wagons. I don't think joining wagons is scummy, though.

[the worst]

I agree with that. I still think unwnd is displaying a nonguilty/pure mindset that is pretty hard as scum.

pedit: rude. your face is unimpressive

[Dunnstral]

I still think unwnd is displaying a nonguilty/pure mindset that is pretty hard as scum.

I think reads like this are bending over backwards to describe a tone read

I don't it would be particularly difficult for unwnd to be playing scum like this

[the worst]

JV gets scumread a lot when he's town and this game hasn't moved past that point yet, so I don't suspect him (this is a null read)

This is a quality take that I hadn't really thought about. JV uses they/them btw.

[the worst]

I still think unwnd is displaying a nonguilty/pure mindset that is pretty hard as scum.

I think reads like this are bending over backwards to describe a tone read

I don't it would be particularly difficult for unwnd to be playing scum like this

this makes me think you're calling me unimpressive while glazing over my posts. honestly that doesn't surprise me in this game though.

There's a distinct difference between analysing mindset and tone-reading.

[Titus]

okay so let's form the read unwnd committee

dunnstral, titus, innocent villager are the members of this committee

Ok

[Titus]

Scum would bus AGar Day 1. Those wagons will be a gold mine.

You're speaking to my heart this game but my brain is paranoid.

[Dunnstral]

so I think the Hopkirk shitpush is a town misplay. the net result is that it pulls credibility from unwnd's actual push on Hopkirk and allows Hopz a powerful rebuttal because the actual case on him was incoherent. The "my team thinks" mistype is something that feels like it comes from a pretty natural mindset - "some members of my team think (and the rest are sheeping)" would have been a more accurate phrasing but it doesn't actually lend credibility to the rhetorical power of the fact unwnd has support for his scum!Kirk read; it's just a sloppy misspeak which allows Hop an easy rebuttal.

unwnd is capable of high effort as scum. they're capable of acting lazy as scum. they're capable of trying to sound natural as scum. I find it a hard to believe that they've constructed a shitty case on Hopkirk and then actually successfully hit send without realising that what they're trying to say makes literally no sense - there's also an utterly unapologetic mindset behind the error that makes me very strongly think it's a real thought.

This is like my second strongest impression behind the IV post which I think broke scumrange

it was a townslip in a really non-slippy non-engineered way, the mindset just feels earnestly dopey in a way which I absolutely buy unwnd (a categorically undopey player) being dopey

If scum he's more concerned with looking town than actually eliminating hopkirk

[Titus]

We have time and I don't think anyone feels super urgent about sorting Hopkirk. Drop your case when you can - worst case scenario he's sorted later in the game when it's more pressing.

This is pretty icky. We can decide who we want to sort at anytime. It can and does change on a dime. Having a concise case dropped on anyone at anytime is aok. It reveals agenda which reveals alignment.

[the worst]

Given the balance of his strategy has been a sheer wall of effort I find it pretty hard to believe that unwnd finds it intuitive to make a super shitty push against a mildly townread player who is also tryharding the game and then falling on his ass in the middle of it is an effective way to get townread - that's like a direct contradiction to unwnd's playstyle afaict?

[the worst]

like it's such a wild version of reality where that series of posts is fabricated. it's also just an insanely believable slip-up.

[Titus]

a D1 wagon on Titus is generally not very helpful for finding scum!Titus but my god do people read fascinating stuff into her posts.

Then why vote me at all?

[Dunnstral]

ok, I'll consider that

[the worst]

a D1 wagon on Titus is generally not very helpful for finding scum!Titus but my god do people read fascinating stuff into her posts.

Then why vote me at all?

of everyone on this plist I think you are the most capable of working that out

[Titus]

*convenes*

what are we convening about

Tenet just ended, does this affect anything?

I guess you were scum so you knew everything anyway. Also that game is a good reason for me to have you at null and not a townread right now (which is honestly where I have you anyway, because while I like reading your posts I'm not seeing anything that is out of range for scum)

I didn't read Tenet after I died. I hated the mechanic that I couldn't execute any of my SRs so I was left with my weakest one to push which was wrong. Brian's role was proscum though.

[Titus]

a D1 wagon on Titus is generally not very helpful for finding scum!Titus but my god do people read fascinating stuff into her posts.

Then why vote me at all?

of everyone on this plist I think you are the most capable of working that out

I am way behind everywhere and don't have time for guessing games.

[the worst]

because I don't have a confident read on either you or AGar, and we'd already pushed AGar - he just kept posting. he's playing to an agenda, but I don't know what the agenda is, so there's huge value in playing along with it and seeing what happens if we push you.

you're also a very polarising player so it's interesting to see how people react to pushing you for fairly meh reasons.

I remember dropping a note in my team's discord that my vote on you felt like something I'd do as scum and that was regarded as generally amusing but it wasn't a joke. lol.

anyway by way of progression I don't really feel like I'm any closer to sorting you or agar but I could see you as town here. I also think xtoxm's read on you was patently fabricated and I'm curious why he felt the need to post it. If he flips red I have some opinions but obviously pre-flip they're kinda just posturing.