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[JacksonVirgo]

Vote Count 2.3

DkKoba (3):

nopointinactingup, Andresvmb, RLotus

Geraintm (2):

Egix96, tris

Andresvmb (1):

Geraintm

Not Voting (5):

bugsray, Jim Hawkins, Facebones, Flea The Magician, DkKoba

Day Two Ends In:

(expired on 2021-01-27 06:49:00)

[tris]

@backupmod you have some invisible non-voters

[JacksonVirgo]

Ah I see, I can't edit at the moment so ignore heh

[Egix96]

It is clear to me that Dk's perception of themself is removed from how they are actually perceived in the thread.

If anything I would say that's a town tell tho.

[RLotus]

It is clear to me that Dk's perception of themself is removed from how they are actually perceived in the thread.

If anything I would say that's a town tell tho.

It seemed scummy to me, why exactly do you think that?

To me, being disconnected from the game reads as a mafia trying to fabricate their reads/perspective. Where as a town should be aware of themself, who are their allies, who are calling them scum etc. in order to piece together the game.

I fully admit that a town can be unaware of how they are perceived, but it doesn't read that way to me. You and tris are starting to make me doubt my read

[geraintm]

I mean I’ll say, geraintm is like always Scum. Stepping away after this? Voting me coming into today? Can we flip that too?

im not sure why you are so shocked I voted for you at the start of today (before all the mason claims came in).
I was voting for you at the end of day 1. I said in my post that I felt you were trying discredit me with your posts in day 1, so in my head I am sitting there going "were there any attemts at counterwagons to cook yesterday and I ony noticed one from you towards me".
so why wouldn't I continue to vote for you when I entered day 2? nothing had changed for me.
but do this now as voting for you is def not the right thing to be doing
UNVOTE:

[geraintm]

i'm off to play Crusader Kingdoms for a while, i'm just going to let you all clear up this shit show...

Dude no what are you doing, pls stay

I was fairly sure I wasn't going to add anything meaningful to the conversation between Dkkoba and everyone else, they needed to talk themselves out

Do u think i as scum do something like that on d2 after losing a partner?

Do u think i as scun dont get cook to claim a pr?

This I can believe. I just seem as dkkoba as way too overclever, but having scum trying this and raising their profile to this level of ridiculousness just seems not believable to me. I am going to read dkkoba as town for the time being but hope someone else can solve them properly before the end of the game.
because I have made this choice about my read on dkkoba, the next X pages are just mostly irrelevant because they are very very unlikely to change my mind.
this does not mean I trust their reads in anyway though.

I mean I’ll say, geraintm is like always Scum. Stepping away after this? Voting me coming into today? Can we flip that too?

you really don't like me do you (in mafia terms). I am not sure there is anything I can do in this game that would change your opinion on me. like, because I don't give this game my 100% focus (when the shitstorm isn't anything to do with me) you hold that against me and want to use as a reason to vote for me?

Why would you be concerned about my slot? You’re like planning to align yourself with geraintm who refused to vote Cook and insisted on staying on me? Why?

don't single out cook as someone I wouldn't vote for. day 1, I will not vote for anyone 98% of the time....

up to around 1135 and one reason why I think so many people are bad at this game so often is all these people sitting there going "oh, we should flip Geraint as he is likely scum" and as I know my alignment I just roll my eyes and go "oh no, not again..."

[quote="In [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12531269]Given that you will be lynched today dkKoba, what read would you leave behind? Tell me who scum is[/quote]

they deserve to be eliminated, but I don't think they should be

Lets start getting something substantive on you.

Give me your hottest take and why.
I also want you coldest take and why.

Who is this directed at?

If me: hottest take is we should not eliminate anyone today.
Coldest...no idea

@cook
The problem with the entire post you've made is the assumptions on odds on hitting scum/town
Scum can drive wagons away from scum. The odds aren't 3/13, but way less than that. Has anyone ever actually done a study on day 1 scum eliminations in games? My guess would be 5%.
So why throw away a town slot day 1 for free?

I also think this is objectively terrible.

well, I agree it looks terrible

now...

[Cook]

i'm dead. bah.

[geraintm]

just realised there was an error in my quoting. I tried to reply to someone (I think it was nopoint) saying dkkoba will be eliminated today by saying I think they should be (anyone who fake claims so hard should be eliminated) but I think they are town so I don't think that it would be a good idea - they can be solved later on now they have such a huge target on them.

[Facebones]

The fight at the beginning, then the drunken shenanigans, now the fake claim...
It seems like Dk is trying their best to be controversial this game.
I don't think Dk would be wanting to draw this much attention to themself if they were scum?

Granted I know nothing about their gameplay/meta.

[DkKoba]

thats just my playstyle and its NAI as others will tell u

[DkKoba]

I do think the lack of a claim from cook is the biggest kicker as well as me choosing to claim mason here rather than the investigative i clearly softed.

[Egix96]

It is clear to me that Dk's perception of themself is removed from how they are actually perceived in the thread.

If anything I would say that's a town tell tho.

It seemed scummy to me, why exactly do you think that?

To me, being disconnected from the game reads as a mafia trying to fabricate their reads/perspective. Where as a town should be aware of themself, who are their allies, who are calling them scum etc. in order to piece together the game.

I fully admit that a town can be unaware of how they are perceived, but it doesn't read that way to me. You and tris are starting to make me doubt my read

Because imo the townier thing is to not be so concerned about how others perceive you. Scum would definitely be aware of it if they are being scumread, whereas when people are town they sometimes have an attitude that they can do no wrong and that their actions should always be regarded as obvious town.

[nopointinactingup]

I guess the question I’m asking myself right now is: are the Scum more likely to have voted away from Cook (and onto Jim/Me), or did they stay away altogether? Or was Cook bussed? I’m assuming 3 Scum in this game, and I have to think that it’s more likely than not that at least 1 stayed away and/or didn’t bus the 2-Shot Roleblocker in the Team, which is somewhat powerful. Like clearly the Scum have an incentive here not to want to have Cook executed. If Cook had flipped Goon, that’s a different story. So that’s what my instincts are telling me right.

This is why Koba and Egix immediately rise in rankings of potential Scum for me, since Koba was on both Jim and I, and Egix had a bad vote on Lotus around the Jim/Cook votes. I downgraded Tris when looking back because Tris also has a vote where she puts Jim over Cook to move them away from a tie (485). But the big positive for Tris there is that when Cook votes me to put me in a precarious position, Tris moves from me onto Cook. That was an important vote. So I would imagine Tris is potentially okay, but wrong about Egix (despite sitting on nopoint at the end of the day). So yeah, I think Egix voting for me after voting Lotus (and calling Cook too Scummy to be Scum in 491), and staying on me and having a clearly faulty POE make me not want to trust the slot. Frankly, Egix’s votes D1 are a collection of bad. I don’t know that Town goes

that wrong

here, but I could be wrong. And the “re-evaluation” after Cook is guaranteed to flip just reads to me like Scum that doesn’t want to eat an execution for a completely wrong view of the game.

The reasons for geraintm I think are somewhat obvious from my POV now that they’ve come into today voting me. But I don’t want to get tunneled into geraintm and ignore some of the other warning signs.

This is what I'm talking about. Cook's wagon sure had resistance somewhere and if you look closely, both times it was DkKoba with his flash wagon shenanigans.

This post derails the Cook wagon by jumping onto an inactive slot Pollaris.

This post derails the Cook wagon again (after Andres and Zuko jumped on) by jumping onto me. Note that both attempts here have someone just voting for that slot. Dk must have sniffed out a good chance for a counter wagon.

[nopointinactingup]

zuko with the hot content <3 . <3

never seen a man obvtown so hard and in a good way <3 . <3

im feeling a town W from the vibes in this thread rn.

how we vibing with: flea, cook, zuko, me, facebones, as town??

i think thats a solid 5.

Also this was the post zuko was majorly sus of, Dk trying to establish a town block with multiple scum in it.

[bugspray]

VOTE: dkkobae-1

[nopointinactingup]

koba is clearly town

Two confirmed town is calling him scum so do you mind outlining the reason why you think this is the case?

*them

here are some things that make me townread them.

the fight with esooa was at least very in character for town koba.
207 gives me the sense that cook knew that they were both town.
947
the mason fakeclaim i think is more likely to come from town.
and, generally, their progression on cook seems authentic.

The fight with esooa I agree, but it could very well be Cook cheering on a fight that he knows dkkoba will win.

There is nothing authentic about the progression. dk asked a question, cook said "one second" and never replied. It's a typical case of he's scum-partner so I don't need to convince him kinda thing.

The mason fakeclaim is null at best. Considering FL is dk's idol and FL fakeclaims all the time as scum I would even consider that to be a scummy sign. If you assume anybody who fakeclaims and admits to it is town then good scum is going to have a really easy time.

[nopointinactingup]

I also have a feeling that Koba starting arguing forcefully for me as Town (to Cook) in thread because they felt it would be far more beneficial for them if Cook pushed something else, potentially to get me to focus less on them (after all, part of my analysis did have to do with their bad vote on my slot).

I don't know if you noticed Koba was pocketing the hell out of you and Zuko. He already blatantly lied to you as I pointed out here. Imagine how well his plan would've worked if I wasn't mason with zuko

[nopointinactingup]

your pov isn't lining up in my view, if that makes sense to you

I was thinking of this too and I fail to see any town perspective from what Koba has been doing. Now he's throwing shade at anyone who suspects him like a caged animal. Even as we speak, he hasn't shown that he's trying to solve the game but rather to preserve himself.

[nopointinactingup]

and yall need to understand that whatever dk overtly does is null at best. We can find town & scum only by looking for subtle town & scum intentions behind the move. Cook for example, had a misalignment of perspective of the game and thus no perspective that was town.

[nopointinactingup]

just realised there was an error in my quoting. I tried to reply to someone (I think it was nopoint) saying dkkoba will be eliminated today by saying I think they should be (anyone who fake claims so hard should be eliminated) but I think they are town so I don't think that it would be a good idea - they can be solved later on now they have such a huge target on them.

Like to me and the whole mason team that slot has already been solved so I don’t get why you would wait for us to die rather than going with it today. Once I die you can do whatever I like

[nopointinactingup]

That bug vote was E2 not E1 btw

[nopointinactingup]

And dk you do realize the people who you are calling scum (and conveniently is also pushing for you), I’ve called town in my first post of the day. If you’re not going to address my post then there’s 0 chance I will overturn my judgement on you. I think your strat right now is to scream as loud as possible in hopes that people will back off and derail a confirmed town read, and that is not a town perspective.

[MiniMegabyte]

Vote Count 2.4

DkKoba (4):

nopointinactingup, Andresvmb, RLotus, bugspray

E-2

Geraintm (2):

Egix96, tris

Not Voting (5):

Jim Hawkins, Facebones, Flea The Magician, DkKoba, Geraintm

With 11 alive it takes 6 to eliminate

Day Two Ends In:

(expired on 2021-01-27 06:49:00)

[DkKoba]

my pronouns are they/them