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[DrippingGoofball]

A voyeur would only know what role targeted a player, not the identity of the player that targeted the target.

[chkflip]

If he's claiming NorwEE was role copped, I'd like to know a) when, b) previous targets, and only tangentially c) why NorwEE?

I think we can reverse engineer this somehow, we just need all the puzzle pieces.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think it'd be better if Binatog just claimed what their role is and results so far because this is just going to be confusing otherwise.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Obviously it's bad that they had to claim, but it's not really our fault when he already did by his own voalition.

[chkflip]

Mmmm I'd like there to be some ambiguity so we're not handing the keys off so to speak. As long as Bin can confirm role cop -> NorwEE on night X is all that's really needed to start. Or no?

[chkflip]

Like yes Bin confirming probably some convoluted version of a voyeur would ease any doubt, but I don't think it's required is what I mean. As long as the information is confirmed, that's the important part. Unless you think I'm getting too noodly?

[Titus]

I think it'd be better if Binatog just claimed what their role is and results so far because this is just going to be confusing otherwise.

+1

[Gamma Emerald]

His posts are towny for me. Aside from that, that probably fits my read and actions. I'll post my gathered info if you want, but this might be beneficial to scum.

You seemed to be claiming a mechanical result. That’s why I wanted clarification. If it’s entirely reads based, then no I’m not particularly interested in following though helping explain where you’re coming from could be helpful to others.

That's why I am asking some possible alignment from a role. I'll post my logs if you want. It might be too early, but it helps both teams I guess.

what does role spec have to do with your reads?

[chkflip]

Nero Cain (11): NorwegianboyEE, chkflip, quiet, Bypasser Catcher, Luca Blight, Momrangal, Norfolk Boy1, Binatog13, Nero Cain, BBMolla, Not_Mafia [E-0]
Hayker (5): Rannygazoo, Titus, Andresvmb, Gamma Emerald
Not_Mafia (2): MiniMegabyte, DrippingGoofball
Titus (1): PlusJOYED
MiniMegabyte (1): Vaxkiller
Not Voting (1): Hayker

I'm still waiting for the "pay dirt" from a Hayker flip, Titus?

And what did you mean earlier when you were talking about the night kills fucking with that?

Do you think -maybe- this alleged role cop might have something to do with that?

My VCA opinion (good shout quiet, I did kinda not do this didn't I): Gamma Emerald flipping red here would heavily implicate a bus. I heavily doubt DGB busses D1 and doesn't help hem up Nero instead. I also don't see but can understand the perception that molla alley-ooped N_M for the hammer.

GAMMA BABY TALK TO ME

[Gamma Emerald]

I might be too focused on how Nero Cain developed, not too focused on giving credit about Cheeky.

@Norwegian, Luca however shades Cheeky but doesn’t vote there, and is happy with going through with Nero.

yeah I think I saw the same/similar things from luca

[chkflip]

Oh you're hella behind. Hurry up ho.

Where's Joy or Hayker? How has neither amassed more than a single prod between them? That's fucking wild.

[Gamma Emerald]

Nero Cain (11): NorwegianboyEE, chkflip, quiet, Bypasser Catcher, Luca Blight, Momrangal, Norfolk Boy1, Binatog13, Nero Cain, BBMolla, Not_Mafia [E-0]
Hayker (5): Rannygazoo, Titus, Andresvmb, Gamma Emerald
Not_Mafia (2): MiniMegabyte, DrippingGoofball
Titus (1): PlusJOYED
MiniMegabyte (1): Vaxkiller
Not Voting (1): Hayker

I'm still waiting for the "pay dirt" from a Hayker flip, Titus?

And what did you mean earlier when you were talking about the night kills fucking with that?

Do you think -maybe- this alleged role cop might have something to do with that?

My VCA opinion (good shout quiet, I did kinda not do this didn't I): Gamma Emerald flipping red here would heavily implicate a bus. I heavily doubt DGB busses D1 and doesn't help hem up Nero instead. I also don't see but can understand the perception that molla alley-ooped N_M for the hammer.

GAMMA BABY TALK TO ME

Do you think I'm scum? If so, I would like to understand why because I feel like you're a little off-track if you're looking at my vote at EoD1 as a reason I'm scum. Otherwise, not sure what exactly you wanna talk about, I do think it kinda looks like BB set up that hammer, but it could also be coincidental. The thing is, that's not exactly why I'm homing in on BB, I personally feel like his claims, early posting, and the fact he called the cheeky wagon "boring" of all things are the greatest points against him.
On that last point, tbh I think I'm being pretty linear in how I'm applying the boring tell, because it's obviously not that it's 100% a scum thing. But it is a convenient way to avoid having to bus, because it's a simple reason people can't really challenge directly and avoids actually having to fake reasons to TR your buddy. Just because it's a "bad tell" doesn't mean it can't still catch scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm not in the best mindspace for mafia but like, its basically associatives between norwee and NM/cheeky

except imo they don't come off like you're presenting them, and also norway is probtown for other reasons I feel

[chkflip]

Tickle my asshole while you're at it buddy damn.

UNVOTE: Gamma Emerald

Okay, well you've been more right then me (technically). What do you think of Titus claiming Hayker is the way to go instead?

[Titus]

I'm still waiting for the "pay dirt" from a Hayker flip, Titus?

And what did you mean earlier when you were talking about the night kills fucking with that?

Do you think -maybe- this alleged role cop might have something to do with that?

Look at his wagon? Who is scum there? Scum have been actively shooting people on the counterwagons which means we had S v S wagons or scum had a way of determining who PRs are or both. My money is on S v S wagons because I think everyone wagoning Hayker and PlusJoyed was town.

[Titus]

Of course, then there's EE with his fake argument of Titus scum because her brother died wifom. The kill could be due to that but I think scum let me and math fight unless the kill on Math had separate utility for them.

[NorwegianboyEE]

unless the kill on Math had separate utility for them.

It was night 1 so unless scum team somehow was informed then it doesn't make much sense for the slot to be killed. Unless specifically it was done for the WIFOM of implicating you. (which i know isn't true because nobody other than me brought it up or probably would even know about the history. And i certainly didn't plan the kill)
It was a really odd kill and i don't know who else would do it and for what reason.

[DrippingGoofball]

I'm still waiting for the "pay dirt" from a Hayker flip, Titus?

And what did you mean earlier when you were talking about the night kills fucking with that?

Do you think -maybe- this alleged role cop might have something to do with that?

Look at his wagon? Who is scum there?

Scum have been actively shooting people on the counterwagons which means we had S v S wagons

or scum had a way of determining who PRs are or both. My money is on S v S wagons because I think everyone wagoning Hayker and PlusJoyed was town.

OH yeah? I'm interested, can you show me how this works?

[chkflip]

Stole the words right out of my mouth.

[BBmolla]

Just because it's a "bad tell" doesn't mean it can't still catch scum.

that is exactly what that means

[Titus]

Not_Mafia (6): Gamma Emerald, NorwegianboyEE, quiet, Nero Cain, Norfolk Boy1,

Rannygazoo [E-5]

PlusJOYED (5): Luca Blight, DrippingGoofball, Titus, Andresvmb,

Bypasser Catcher

Not_Mafia (5): Nero Cain, Norfolk Boy1, MiniMegabyte, Binatog13, DrippingGoofball [E-6]
Hayker (5):

Rannygazoo,

Andresvmb, BBMolla,

Bypasser Catcher,

Titus [E-6]
Nero Cain (4): NorwegianboyEE, Gamma Emerald, chkflip, quiet

Both NKs after Math have been on Hayker. Why pick off the very people reading the game wrong? They would have to know they are PRs. So either scum knew they were PRs or we had S v S wagons.

[quiet]

The only alternate theroy to SvS that I can give is that Bypasser kept soft claiming/baiting a PR, and Ranny actually was a PR.
They also killed Mini/Math day1, which was a PR. No idea how they knew that, but I'm getting informed vibes. Scum seems to be PR hunting pretty hard to me.

[quiet]

No results from the Chkflp pressure, so I’m moving on for now. They woke up today, it seems, and I’m decently liking what I see. Can revisit later maybe.

Is there anyone besides Hayker/PlusJOY that is on the table for elimination today rn? I don't scumread BBMola, but they also seem on the table.

[Titus]

Quiet, do you think either Hayker or Plusjoyed could be scum?

[quiet]

Both NKs after Math have been on Hayker. Why pick off the very people reading the game wrong? They would have to know they are PRs. So either scum knew they were PRs or we had S v S wagons.

You literally said this, sorry, don't know how I missed it.
How likely do you think it is that scum knew?