TM 2021 Large Normal: OEIS Mafia (Part Two Is Out)

[OkaPoka]

Do you mean that the team should townread you, is the read the issue at that moment? What's the issue and why?

The issue is the way he is reading me is not consistent with his team looking at this game with him being town, and also doesn't feel like what he does on his own

How does he go from null to scum with no explanation (it is later explained that this is because of eldritch signs and star constellations, and also because somebody else townread me)

Why can't i just have a read i want to express in the thread to see how others feel about it lol

okay unwnd what is your explanation of null -> scum transition?

and dunn what do you mean by the team looking at the game with him being town, what would you expect if he is town? again why is unwnd obligated to explain the read change 1000 posts through?

[Dunnstral]

ok

Most of my thoughts around 1397 are probably bad

I want to focus on unwnd's reasons to call me scum now (other people's reads on me).

I'm saying that that is preflip (assuming other people are scum, so I must be scum because of interactions between us (even minimal interactions like naked reads list on their side))

And then Unwnd thinking I'm weird but not wanting to or not being able to explain how in ANY capacity at all, instead it feels like he's redirecting to talking about 1397 and how meta reads are bad

[Dunnstral]

again why is unwnd obligated to explain the read change 1000 posts through?

Is this like, a philosophical question?

It's a mafia game so when you get questioned on something reasonable why not just answer

[Dunnstral]

This only came to fruition cause you confronted me, man

I'm just explaining my thought process

You popped in and said I was scum unprompted right as I started posting, and you had no explanations, and then your explanation was wacky

[Dunnstral]

I do not understand the wagon on xtoxm nor how it has come about. Could've missed reasoning, but don't think I have? Composition feels like it sucks, would need a VC to confirm but I've seen some names I don't like on it.

This got ignored at the time but should get an explanation

[OkaPoka]

we can go there next but i want to explore the mentality because clearly, you felt that unwnd and his team (because of their relationship to you) had to treat you differently than they would with other slots right? i mean I don't find that an unreasonable ask... i just want to know the nature of the relationship you expect from a town!unwnd and thus town!maria beeboy amph etc.

i mean you didn't really question them at the point of 1397, it seemed like it was more of a "well they just did scummy thing here comment"

[Dunnstral]

A lot of the playerlist seems content to point to a very vague scum team and sort of say 'look at how these people are manipulating the game state/making us vote xtoxm'

But I'm not hearing names. Who is doing that?

These are people who should be under heavy scrutiny if xtoxm flips scum. It's fake concern, it's something to say when you don't want to just hop on to xtoxm

[Dunnstral]

we can go there next but i want to explore the mentality because clearly, you felt that unwnd and his team (because of their relationship to you) had to treat you differently than they would with other slots right? i mean I don't find that an unreasonable ask... i just want to know the nature of the relationship you expect from a town!unwnd and thus town!maria beeboy amph etc.

i mean you didn't really question them at the point of 1397, it seemed like it was more of a "well they just did scummy thing here comment"

Kind of?

I'm not asking for much, you make it sound like I want preferential treatment but really ignoring me all game and then calling me scum unexplained was worth commenting on

[OkaPoka]

I do not understand the wagon on xtoxm nor how it has come about. Could've missed reasoning, but don't think I have? Composition feels like it sucks, would need a VC to confirm but I've seen some names I don't like on it.

This got ignored at the time but should get an explanation

again the xtoxm wagon is purely because xtoxm

1) had a townread on titus for townreading iv for scumreading her
2) but this reasoning was demonstrably false because titus had townread iv before iv scumread her
3) and xtoxm rather than backing up, doubled down on a faulty premise and also included auro backing himself up


so the argument is xtoxm and auro have decided that they want to townread titus (don't know why) and invented a reason as to why.

me n the worst are voting xtoxm presumably for this reason because it was us two who were quesitoning xtoxm. hercule mentioned xtoxm was in the lhf null scum poe. idk for others.

[Dunnstral]

It should get an explanation from AGar, I mean.

[OkaPoka]

we can go there next but i want to explore the mentality because clearly, you felt that unwnd and his team (because of their relationship to you) had to treat you differently than they would with other slots right? i mean I don't find that an unreasonable ask... i just want to know the nature of the relationship you expect from a town!unwnd and thus town!maria beeboy amph etc.

i mean you didn't really question them at the point of 1397, it seemed like it was more of a "well they just did scummy thing here comment"

Kind of?

I'm not asking for much, you make it sound like I want preferential treatment but really ignoring me all game and then calling me scum unexplained was worth commenting on

the way you worded it made it seem like your comment was only applicable in that case specifically because it was unwnd and team, am i wrong in saying that?

as in, if i did what unwnd did or the worst did what unwnd, that +++++scumequity would not be applicable

[Dunnstral]

we can go there next but i want to explore the mentality because clearly, you felt that unwnd and his team (because of their relationship to you) had to treat you differently than they would with other slots right? i mean I don't find that an unreasonable ask... i just want to know the nature of the relationship you expect from a town!unwnd and thus town!maria beeboy amph etc.

i mean you didn't really question them at the point of 1397, it seemed like it was more of a "well they just did scummy thing here comment"

Kind of?

I'm not asking for much, you make it sound like I want preferential treatment but really ignoring me all game and then calling me scum unexplained was worth commenting on

the way you worded it made it seem like your comment was only applicable in that case specifically because it was unwnd and team, am i wrong in saying that?

as in, if i did what unwnd did or the worst did what unwnd, that +++++scumequity would not be applicable

Correct

Also, I've given separate reasons for voting xtoxm

[OkaPoka]

okay i am glad we established that at least

so the issue i presume then you have with unwnd has to do with the fact that you would think unwnd and friends would explain their scumread on you because you are dunnstral? or because they would explain any read progression?

[OkaPoka]

i.e. would you have a problem with unwnd if they went from null to scum without explanation on a slot say... okapoka

[Dunnstral]

No....?

Dunn this is insane

Your read lacks nuance

People you scumread townread me, so I'm scum

It fails to consider that hey, maybe they're scum but I'm town and they're townreading me for a plethora of other reasons

If you want to say townreads on me are undeserved, that's fine, but that doesn't make me scum

[Dunnstral]

i.e. would you have a problem with unwnd if they went from null to scum without explanation on a slot say... okapoka

If they gave the same explanation, then yes.

I might be less likely to notice the read shift immediately, or think that it's significant

[Dunnstral]

okay i am glad we established that at least

so the issue i presume then you have with unwnd has to do with the fact that you would think unwnd and friends would explain their scumread on you because you are dunnstral? or because they would explain any read progression?

No. That's my explanation for 1397. My actual issue with him is something completely different, and the only reason I'm referencing 1397 is because you keep asking me about it.

[OkaPoka]

i.e. would you have a problem with unwnd if they went from null to scum without explanation on a slot say... okapoka

If they gave the same explanation, then yes.

I might be less likely to notice the read shift immediately, or think that it's significant

okay im glad we cleared that up (:

I've played with maria and know she frustratingly refuses to explain anything. is unwnd!town a vocal train of though-ter?

pedit: mmk

[Dunnstral]

The thing is that Unwnd explained his thoughts kind of, but they don't really make sense and it feels like we're arguing in circles trying to pull something out of him

[OkaPoka]

be a pal and sum up your grievances with unwnd after 1397? quotes would be nice, ill be back in a few minutes

but uh pretend im 5 and don't know a single thing about how unwnd plays or how you play, so you can also leave cute little notes about what you think unwnd should be doing as town in the scenarios where unwnd is being scummy

[Dunnstral]

Once again, his read being based on other people townreading me, and me being weird but not wanting to/not able to explain it

[OkaPoka]

Once again, his read being based on other people townreading me, and me being weird but not wanting to/not able to explain it

Unwnd do you agree with the premise that dunn is scum because of certain people tring him?

Also what is the weird stuff dunn is doing?

Again im 5

[unwnd]

This only came to fruition cause you confronted me, man

I'm just explaining my thought process

Why can't i just have a read i want to express in the thread to see how others feel about it lol

[unwnd]

This will forever be my response to anything Dunn is doing right now

[Dunnstral]

Your read wasn't framed as you wanting to see how others feel about it