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[Binatog13]

Town watcher, a second town watcher, a town protect, a town lazy RB....

We think the fifth? (Do we even get five?) PR for town is another investigative? Gut feel, especially given the very neat murders of some town PRs, it’s a mafia role. I’m pretty inclined to clear Momrangal here, and Bino too.

Someone tell me if this is trash logic, but I’m very down for town to claim Rolecop here, as I don’t find it very likely to happen.

An odd town rolestopper has died, I don't think lazy = odd night.

[Titus]

Not sure which word you mean but I saw no glaring errors.

[chkflip]

Correlation, Titus. Goddamn it. I'm obv having too good a time I'll go take my blunt elsewhere.

[quiet]

Much more valid, ty. Sorry. Can’t argue that point, that’s basically what it is.

I still note that your play is noticeably different today than on previous days (most especially late day1, day2, day3- your current style is pretty close to early day1). Maybe it’s not AI, maybe it was related to your level of interest in what was basically 2 days of dealing with NM’s trade.

[Binatog13]

Idk how to even process this right now. I had to search and find what lazy meant, that's a first for me. But like... that's the same role. There were 2 voyeurs!?

I am the confusion.

Role Watcher (fucking voyeur)
Odd Rolestop (doc variant?)
These are the pr flips

We now "know" (?) from someone claiming the same role as Math there's a Lazy Roleblocker and a Role Cop. Lazy implicitly means town from what I read?

Lazy Roleblocker has this description.

presenting something as mod communication, real or fake, is not permitted - Mizzymod

So I am thinking this role is mafia.

[Andresvmb]

^Sigh Binatog try and use your words more.

[chkflip]

He's fine if he's quoting the uh whatchamacallit

quiet, I don't really think questioning anyone's D2/3 play is particularly worthwhile given the circumstance, but I'll concede the same as you. Like I said earlier, I didn't voice it but I was sure as hell just as bored as molla was with the day. So... that's fair? I definitely won't ever have a solve until it's too late (I've only called a proper scum team as town, like, once, Titus and DGB were in that game and it was for a super noodly reason) but I'd be remiss if I said a lack of desire to play against certain conditions was a scum tell while simultaneously refusing to vote BBmolla.

[DrippingGoofball]

"Each night you may attempt to visit a player to block them. Any actions they take will be blocked. Your action will fail if there is only one player left alive who is not a member of the town at the beginning of the night."

It's saying that the action fails if there is one scum left.

So it can only be town, and the "lazy" part prevents the roleblocker from blocking the night kill in end game.

[BBmolla]

I'm not telling Plusjoyed to replace out

But it would certainly help whatever team they are on if they did

[BBmolla]

Did plusJOYED’s post allow them to circumvent the prod? That’s ridiculous. If they’re refusing to contribute so blatantly, then I actually think Titus has a point and we should execute there. I just don’t want to do it now - I actually think {Luca, Hayker, quiet} is certain to have Scum in it.

I don't want to elim quiet but I'm fine with either of the other two

[Andresvmb]

Also Binatog you seemed to be clearing Norwegian because a potential Town player that suspected them enough tried to block them from acting at night. Just a thought.

I’m not going back on what I said about Cheeky and that wagon. There’s still some truth to that. But still.

[Andresvmb]

Did plusJOYED’s post allow them to circumvent the prod? That’s ridiculous. If they’re refusing to contribute so blatantly, then I actually think Titus has a point and we should execute there. I just don’t want to do it now - I actually think {Luca, Hayker, quiet} is certain to have Scum in it.

I don't want to elim quiet but I'm fine with either of the other two

We’re both on Luca right now, correct? I’ll stay here for now.

[quiet]

Andres, did none of Luca’s posts today look towny to you?

[quiet]

Same to BB I guess

[Binatog13]

It's saying that the action fails if there is one scum left.

So it can only be town, and the "lazy" part prevents the roleblocker from blocking the night kill in end game.

Hmm, I am sorry lol so I might change my current reads. Rolecop as scum has still a high chance.

[Binatog13]

It's saying that the action fails if there is one scum left.

So it can only be town, and the "lazy" part prevents the roleblocker from blocking the night kill in end game.

Hmm, I am sorry lol so I might change my current reads. Rolecop as scum has still a high chance.

[Andresvmb]

Andres, did none of Luca’s posts today look towny to you?

I don’t understand why you’re asking me this at all. Like this comes across as you trying to convince me of something without putting any effort forward.

If you think Luca is Town, you’re free to make an argument, and try and dissuade me from it. But just asking me and hoping I’m going to go down the rabbit hole and convince myself that Luca is Town is not going to happen.

[quiet]

I did make an argument earlier today. I went through their iso, noted things that looked bad, noted things that looked good, and noted that I thought what they posted today looked actually pretty good to me. I’m asking if you’ve considered it because you gave basically the same read directly before NM came out with their claim and day2 got turned into a trade.

I’ll quote it here if you want, I’m on mobile so it’s kind of trash. I was just asking if you’d reconsidered your read on Luca at all today.

[quiet]

I am only interested in executing in {quiet, Luca Blight, Bypasser} today.

@Gamma thoughts?

My mistake, this was your day2 read.

[quiet]

Post 3010 and 3014 are my takes on Luca, and why I asked this question of you.

[Andresvmb]

I did make an argument earlier today. I went through their iso, noted things that looked bad, noted things that looked good, and noted that I thought what they posted today looked actually pretty good to me. I’m asking if you’ve considered it because you gave basically the same read directly before NM came out with their claim and day2 got turned into a trade.

I’ll quote it here if you want, I’m on mobile so it’s kind of trash. I was just asking if you’d reconsidered your read on Luca at all today.

For purposes of how I’m reading the game, I am mostly ignoring everything that happened after Not_Mafia came out with a guilty on Norfolk. Anybody there knows that it is quite difficult to ignore the guilty and execute the person claiming the PR. Once the guilty is proven to be manufactured, it is also easy to come out and pretend like you are absolutely certain Not_Mafia is Scum and needs to die. Do you see me make any statements about my play around all that to defend myself? No. Because it’s noise. So D1 is the best place to dig for information in light of all of the flips we’ve had.

[Andresvmb]

I haven’t fully caught up yet with what’s happened today but of course that would also be helpful.

[quiet]

I read you towny Andres, I just keep disagreeing with you. Idk. Maybe I’m wrong on Luca. Just check out today, and my mess of a post that dives them (mostly pulled from day1), and if you still think Luca is the one, then maybe I need to reconsider.

I recognize that you read me as scummy so maybe this is wasted breath.

@mod I’ll be V/LA starting tmmrw morning for 24-48 hours; traveling.

[Andresvmb]

I’m also going to say quiet - any half decent Scum player can make some posts look “Towny”. I try and dig a little deeper than that. No guarantees I’ll get anything right of course.

[Andresvmb]

I need some time to really sit down and digest what happened D1 based on what we know now. And there’s a fair amount of information we have already, actually.

I mean, my strongest TRs right now are {Momrangal, Binatog, BBMolla}, and I’m not particularly suspicious of {chkflip, Titus, Vax}, with the weakest read on Vax there. DGB I’m actually confused about, and need to think some more.

plusJOYED is purposefully trying to remain in the game, but not contribute, and I can’t figure it out.

Every time Hayker posts, it makes me want to execute there even more. And yeah Luca has had some bad progressions D1 which is why I voted there end of D1, and D2.

I don’t trust Norwegian trying to sideline Mom and I. It’s difficult to pin them down because yeah, they’re right about how they pushed Cheeky and they seem genuinely upset at not being universally Town Read (not that I think that they should be either).

Gamma is a tricky one. I keep flip flopping there. There’s already been some considerable shade thrown that way today, and I had them as Town but I find myself constantly wanting to re-evaluate.

Anyway, the point being I guess that not everybody can be Town with the TRs I have. It’s just what it is.