TM 2021 Large Normal: OEIS Mafia (Part Two Is Out)

[the worst]

abr can you just. like. explain one read

[hercule]

xtoxm was at L-1 with intent

then abr comes in and tries to undermine the wagon? he makes a throwaway comment to stop a xtoxm flip? its not a substantive comment its literally a throwaway comment.

i mean that's a pretty bad in my eyes if that's how you defend the wagon but abr has been 1) on the xtoxm wagon 2) defended flipping xtoxm himself 3) xtoxm has not really done anything that should reasonably change why abr was for flipping xtoxm so in conclusion why is abr playing both sides (in a very non committal fashion mind you)


xtoxm doesn't deserve to be unvoted per se but i think abr scumclaimed so the vibe checks is if other people agree yeah that was a scumclaim maybe we do abr today

I mean, yes, that could be true, but also I don't think there's necessarily intent to stop the wagon there? I don't think it's a scumclaim de facto. How is that post going to change anything? If anything, if ABR is scum, I think they realized xtoxm was about to be hammered and wanted to look better post-flip. But I'm not particularly sold on it.

don't know if abr actually *intended* on stopping an xtoxm wagon but at the very least he wants us to think he's trying to stop an xtoxm wagon for whatever reasons which doesn't make sense if abr is town. abr has defended flipping xtoxm earlier in the day and nothing xtoxm has done should have changed that opinion, and its not like abr is intent on working with others to find a better wagon. its just... there

yeah I feel that. I was giving him some benefit of the doubt that maybe he just had a random thought and wanted to say it but... it does feel like there's some logical inconsistency going on, I don't really see why he went from being good with an xtoxm flip to suddenly being worried about it, only variable that changed was... more votes?

pedit: lol you're gonna grab popcorn while ur counterwagoned? be my guest

VOTE: ABR

[hercule]

if he wants to watch himself be voted who are we to stop him

[unwnd]

Here's my take on xtoxm and why I think he's null

You have to put yourself in a suspension of disbelief that xtoxm (along with his partners) see he's at E-2 whatever and not have some sort of reaction to it? If that's a gameplan and he's just going down for the towncred, who the hell is bussing him? There is slanker scum, I'm not denying that possibility. It's just that I think even the most feeble scum could see the town rallying to kill him and at least want to do some FUD before they're out the door

I would like this answered from the 'xtoxm is obvscum' crowd

The wagon dissipated but I'm not letting this go, people

[DrippingGoofball]

Catching up, looks like a lot happened, TL:DR me please!

[hercule]

Catching up, looks like a lot happened, TL:DR me please!

wagon on xtoxm, counterwagon on ABR

[Albert B. Rampage]

Catching up, looks like a lot happened, TL:DR me please!

Big egos come out in Team Mafia.

[the worst]

Here's my take on xtoxm and why I think he's null

You have to put yourself in a suspension of disbelief that xtoxm (along with his partners) see he's at E-2 whatever and not have some sort of reaction to it? If that's a gameplan and he's just going down for the towncred, who the hell is bussing him? There is slanker scum, I'm not denying that possibility. It's just that I think even the most feeble scum could see the town rallying to kill him and at least want to do some FUD before they're out the door

I would like this answered from the 'xtoxm is obvscum' crowd

The wagon dissipated but I'm not letting this go, people

if i see uncrowned i promise to jump on him for this as well

[the worst]

shitty cold takes i would love abr to explain:
- me scum
- xtoxm town other than 1 dimensional wagonomics
- dgb town

[Albert B. Rampage]

I've barely read this game, I'm not emotionally invested, and I've got nothing for ya. Luckily I also don't care if I get flipped for the same reason.

[unwnd]

Just going to reel this back in

How common is it in current meta (e.g not exclusive to a player) for them to go 'oh yeah I don't give a shit about this wagon on me', because people are so prone to emotion these days lol

[OkaPoka]

Here's my take on xtoxm and why I think he's null

You have to put yourself in a suspension of disbelief that xtoxm (along with his partners) see he's at E-2 whatever and not have some sort of reaction to it? If that's a gameplan and he's just going down for the towncred, who the hell is bussing him? There is slanker scum, I'm not denying that possibility. It's just that I think even the most feeble scum could see the town rallying to kill him and at least want to do some FUD before they're out the door

I would like this answered from the 'xtoxm is obvscum' crowd

The wagon dissipated but I'm not letting this go, people

The logic worst and I have come up with basically means he got caught in a logical trap and doubled down on his logical misgivings which means he really doesn't have an out because he is so clearly and provably wrong, he can't refute it with "no I'm actually correct." Instead his angle was to address the admittedly weaker parts of the case and hopefully sidestep it that way, which doesn't necessarily imply scum are bussing him, they might've just dumped him and realized it's a lost cause. I really do not know how xtoxm can escape the hole he has dug specifically because he has doubled down, but I do think his doubling down in spite of me literally showing him why he was wrong meant that he was prioritizing showing of a Titus townread rather than coming to one naturally for whatever reasons.

But it is d1 and flipping scum on d1 is a hard thing, so I mean I can be "confident" in the same way I can be "confident" the Lakers are going to win the championship one game into the NBA season.

[unwnd]

Maybe back then? People could do the 'no care' thing as scum

But times have changed, and I think scum are picking up that posting a lot!means you're town. This is what is weirding me out about the gamestate people, Oka might post a lot but there is clear difference in what he is posting

[the worst]

i thought you said 'xtoxm is obvscum' crowned for a moment and i was like "hmm i don't remember that take but w/e i'll roast him for you"

[mastina]

jhas mastina played with scum!you since AvP?

I don't think so, which is where some of my confusion comes from: was I in any way lacking in confidence in Ali v Pine, at literally any point in the game? I'm PRETTY sure I never was, that I held conviction the entire time.

In fact, in the entirety of the last three years...I'm pretty sure that the number of games where I didn't hold conviction can be counted on a single hand. (Possibly, a single finger since only one comes to mind, but it's possible there's 1-4 others I've forgotten I lacked conviction in. Me lacking in confidence is a thing that does happen, but it is a very notable rarity.)

Like, to give a fairly recent example: I was instantly confident in Among Us mafia. That was a game I replaced into with so many pages that I ended up not reading them at all. Getting confident reads off of literally no info wasn't an issue there; why would it be an issue here when I've got an incredibly dense pool of info?

[Albert B. Rampage]

The worst spamming has been a big reason so killing him would be helpful to the game state. Xtoxm can still be scum I'll probably vote there before my teammates jump on me for not doing so. DGB feels like scum.

[the worst]

i'm technically kinda nuller than i want to be on abr but i'm happy to flip dead weight playing in bad faith :shrug:

[unwnd]

Here's my take on xtoxm and why I think he's null

You have to put yourself in a suspension of disbelief that xtoxm (along with his partners) see he's at E-2 whatever and not have some sort of reaction to it? If that's a gameplan and he's just going down for the towncred, who the hell is bussing him? There is slanker scum, I'm not denying that possibility. It's just that I think even the most feeble scum could see the town rallying to kill him and at least want to do some FUD before they're out the door

I would like this answered from the 'xtoxm is obvscum' crowd

The wagon dissipated but I'm not letting this go, people

The logic worst and I have come up with basically means he got caught in a logical trap and doubled down on his logical misgivings which means he really doesn't have an out because he is so clearly and provably wrong, he can't refute it with "no I'm actually correct." Instead his angle was to address the admittedly weaker parts of the case and hopefully sidestep it that way, which doesn't necessarily imply scum are bussing him, they might've just dumped him and realized it's a lost cause. I really do not know how xtoxm can escape the hole he has dug specifically because he has doubled down, but I do think his doubling down in spite of me literally showing him why he was wrong meant that he was prioritizing showing of a Titus townread rather than coming to one naturally for whatever reasons.

But it is d1 and flipping scum on d1 is a hard thing, so I mean I can be "confident" in the same way I can be "confident" the Lakers are going to win the championship one game into the NBA season.

I like your thought but why doesn't he just say 'oh well I made a mistake and shit happens'

I've done it
Dunn has done it

[the worst]

The worst spamming has been a big reason so killing him would be helpful to the game state. Xtoxm can still be scum I'll probably vote there before my teammates jump on me for not doing so. DGB feels like scum.

oh god. you're one of those players.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Im very surprised Hopkirk jumped on me to be honest. If i wasnt on the verge of dying id vote him over dgb and xtoxm.

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: xtoxm

Saving myself lol. If it flips town dont look at me.

[OkaPoka]

And there has been plenty of times where scum has been 'caught' but town loses momentum and interest and they slip by even though they were 'caught'. I mean it could be scum's best bet just to let things play out naturally and hopefully xtoxm can cruise as long as possible.

In fact I've literally been scum who was 'caught' in a game where my elimination meant it was over and basically let things play out by being passive because I thought it was over, and then townies flaked and I cheesed a few miselims and won.

pedit: he can't say i made a mistake because he made a mistake -> his mistake was pointed out to him -> he doubled down on his mistake and said no I'm correct -> his doubling down again was provably a mistake

I don't know how you backtrack of a mistake you have doubled down on and seen proof it was wrong. unless of course he wants to admit he didn't read titus' post, which then we go back to square 1, he wants a titus town read and looked for reasons for it.

i guess he can say i made a mistake but if he's scum he's probably playing damage control which is what the "auro" post is. addressing the not main point of the post and some side stuff and disappearing again

[Dannflor]

the worst spamming is helpful to the game state

[mastina]

Big egos come out in Team Mafia.

Basically, yeah.

How common is it in current meta (e.g not exclusive to a player) for them to go 'oh yeah I don't give a shit about this wagon on me', because people are so prone to emotion these days lol

VERY uncommon. Most scum in the current meta end up fairly defensive, and unfortunately, so do a lot of town. (Scum defensiveness is notably more common than town defensiveness, but town defensiveness is a thing.)

ABR is a player I'd expect to not conform to the meta regardless of his alignment, to play his own style of game, but I will say this:
I feel like if ABR were actually scum here, he would be efforting. Not in self-defense, but in hyper-aggression.

Him not defending himself isn't what I'd call town--him not going hyper-aggro while he is under pressure IS.

[the worst]

i guess he can say i made a mistake but if he's scum he's probably playing damage control which is what the "auro" post is. addressing the not main point of the post and some side stuff and disappearing again

auro's reads were really lacklustre as well though `-`