TM 2021 Large Normal: OEIS Mafia (Part Two Is Out)

[unwnd]

Big egos come out in Team Mafia.

Basically, yeah.

How common is it in current meta (e.g not exclusive to a player) for them to go 'oh yeah I don't give a shit about this wagon on me', because people are so prone to emotion these days lol

VERY uncommon. Most scum in the current meta end up fairly defensive, and unfortunately, so do a lot of town. (Scum defensiveness is notably more common than town defensiveness, but town defensiveness is a thing.)

ABR is a player I'd expect to not conform to the meta regardless of his alignment, to play his own style of game, but I will say this:
I feel like if ABR were actually scum here, he would be efforting. Not in self-defense, but in hyper-aggression.

Him not defending himself isn't what I'd call town--him not going hyper-aggro while he is under pressure IS.

Yeah that's kinda why I hesitate on xtoxm

It's not a townread mind you but yeah

[hercule]

bruh the main thing is how do you tab in after 2 days to a wagon forming on you and your only post. your ONLY post is to paraphrase some shit your teammate said??

not even a "this is fine" meme?? nothing?

[Dannflor]

That’s exactly how I approach wagons on me as scum and I don’t think it’s that uncommon for less emotional players?

[mastina]

And there has been plenty of times where scum has been 'caught' but town loses momentum and interest and they slip by even though they were 'caught'.

Sure, but come a future day, say by D3-5 in that range.

Y'all are gonna look back at the mislynches on the slots like ABR and Xtoxm, scrutinize their wagons looking for the scum on them, and be wondering... "why the fuck did we eliminate them, again?". You're gonna look back, realize in hindsight they're not nearly as scummy as they looked while alive, and wonder how the fuck they ended up being eliminated.

And if you're smart, you'll realize it's because in a bout of stupidity, y'all ended up jumping on thinking you've 'caught' scum for things that aren't actually scum.

But you'll probably pull another dumb, instead of realizing the above, thinking that clearly, the mislynches were the machinations of deepscum that powerwolfed and paranoia-vote the powertown players that you were yourself among, forgetting that they were in the same mindset you were in at the time.

How's

that

for a prediction?

[the worst]

i have such a good throwaway line if i'm ever wagoned

as a wise man once said:
"there is no such thing as Death, really, you know, only Change, lmao"

[unwnd]

Yeah, but do you do that while trying to do at least..something?

[hercule]

And there has been plenty of times where scum has been 'caught' but town loses momentum and interest and they slip by even though they were 'caught'.

Sure, but come a future day, say by D3-5 in that range.

Y'all are gonna look back at the mislynches on the slots like ABR and Xtoxm, scrutinize their wagons looking for the scum on them, and be wondering... "why the fuck did we eliminate them, again?". You're gonna look back, realize in hindsight they're not nearly as scummy as they looked while alive, and wonder how the fuck they ended up being eliminated.

And if you're smart, you'll realize it's because in a bout of stupidity, y'all ended up jumping on thinking you've 'caught' scum for things that aren't actually scum.

But you'll probably pull another dumb, instead of realizing the above, thinking that clearly, the mislynches were the machinations of deepscum that powerwolfed and paranoia-vote the powertown players that you were yourself among, forgetting that they were in the same mindset you were in at the time.

How's

that

for a prediction?

I don't understand where a single one of your thought processes come from, genuinely. It feels like you are on a different planet than the rest of the game and I'm not sure if it's because you haven't caught up yet you're trying to be present or if you just are informed of things that I'm not and therefore have to approach the game from a different angle

[Albert B. Rampage]

Mastin where are you in your catchup?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm just going to outsiurce my vote to mastin for the rest of day 1.

VOTE: hercules

[Dannflor]

Yeah, but do you do that while trying to do at least..something?

I mean I viewed his weird post reaching out to me and a couple other posts he made as lame attempts to do just that

[Dannflor]

Lol you’re literally just pocketing mastina because she’s loud and will defend you

[hercule]

I'm just going to outsiurce my vote to mastin for the rest of day 1.

VOTE: hercules

very pro-town of you!

[hercule]

Mastin where are you in your catchup?

I'm just going to outsiurce my vote to mastin for the rest of day 1.

VOTE: hercules

this person clearly has not read the game, I should sheep them while I'm being wagoned, this elim will definitely go through and save me!

[OkaPoka]

It's a shit prediction because you are road-not-taken-ing.

We flip the "deepwolf" d1 and instead someone else will play the deepwolf on d3-5. If he's town then no shit we misread things. In hindsight, the signs of the truth will be much more obvious of course welcome to human nature. Proof? Why isn't there one way to analyze English literature? Because the author is dead and you can't ask them for the right answer, so you will have great minds come together and have different thoughts. But when we analyze history, even the dumbest historians can mainly agree that x,y,z contributed to the fall of Rome. Romans were smart why couldn't they prevent their falls if these dumbasses can agree? Because hindsight is meaningless for today.

That's the nature of these type of games.

[mastina]

bruh the main thing is how do you tab in after 2 days to a wagon forming on you and your only post. your ONLY post is to paraphrase some shit your teammate said?? not even a "this is fine" meme?? nothing?

Quite easily as it turns out. Xtoxm was the D2 elimination that game; go look at his posting at the bottom of his iso. Notice something?

His posting there is almost nothing--no recognition of his situation, nothing.

And that's just the example I got from the top of his game history where he was eliminated.

I could find many others.

Suffice to say: Xtoxm reacting that way isn't scum; I actually think it's town.

[Dunnstral]

Cephrir - Town lean. I have had trouble getting a bead on this slot. There are a lot of players in this game that are pleasant and make pleasant enough posts and aren't really doing anything scummy, but that's not really enough to town read someone in a game where everyone is like that.

Over time, I've just gotten the strong sense that Cephrir is uninformed. That may not seem like a lot and scum can certainly act unsure and fill their ISO with questions over content. However, Cephrir has a good mix of content with his very careful approach of trying to figure out wtf is going on in this game. He hasn't necessarily acted as a "mediator" in the Dunn vs. unwnd type scuffles (which would be an easy way to get town cred) but instead approached such 1v1s as trying to figure out what each party is actually saying and what their reads are. He also has the quality of calling out some of the more bullshit reads and claims such as vague statements about wagon composition/placement and gamestate reads, trying to get people defend their takes with a little less vagueness. He never does this is an accusatory way, or like he's trying to push something, but to try to understand a slot's perspective better.

I liked his Agar push. I like the reasoning behind the reads he's expressed. The only reason this isn't a more confident read is mostly just that it's really hard to get confident reads in a large for me and I haven't gotten a high enough concentration of town!Ceph yet to be like, yes this is definitely town.

I didn't like his response to me vs unwnd, actually, it felt like he was too far on the sidelines. I don't know his activity at the time which is why I'm not pushing this harder, but him trying to figure things out felt empty

[innocentvillager]

all this flashwagon hopping and dying on low content slots is bizarre and making me nauseous

I don’t have anything more to add other than that, is this like how we’re supposed to play larges or something

[OkaPoka]

all this flashwagon hopping and dying on low content slots is bizarre and making me nauseous

I don’t have anything more to add other than that, is this like how we’re supposed to play larges or something

well what don't you get about the abr case?

[hercule]

bruh the main thing is how do you tab in after 2 days to a wagon forming on you and your only post. your ONLY post is to paraphrase some shit your teammate said?? not even a "this is fine" meme?? nothing?

Quite easily as it turns out. Xtoxm was the D2 elimination that game; go look at his posting at the bottom of his iso. Notice something?

His posting there is almost nothing--no recognition of his situation, nothing.

And that's just the example I got from the top of his game history where he was eliminated.

I could find many others.

Suffice to say: Xtoxm reacting that way isn't scum; I actually think it's town.

well, fair enough. maybe he's just a liability

[mastina]

Mastin where are you in your catchup?

Exact same spot as before: page 14.

I can't simultaneously read the earlier pages AND read the current pages when the current pages are being created so rapidly. Given that I'm forced to choose, the current takes priority over the past.

When people start to slow down on the current posting, I'll go back to the past posting.

[Dunnstral]

Here's my take on xtoxm and why I think he's null

You have to put yourself in a suspension of disbelief that xtoxm (along with his partners) see he's at E-2 whatever and not have some sort of reaction to it? If that's a gameplan and he's just going down for the towncred, who the hell is bussing him? There is slanker scum, I'm not denying that possibility. It's just that I think even the most feeble scum could see the town rallying to kill him and at least want to do some FUD before they're out the door

I would like this answered from the 'xtoxm is obvscum' crowd

Counterpoint: Why would they do that as town?

Slanking either way, not everything needs a reason

[Albert B. Rampage]

Mastin where are you in your catchup?

I'm just going to outsiurce my vote to mastin for the rest of day 1.

VOTE: hercules

this person clearly has not read the game, I should sheep them while I'm being wagoned, this elim will definitely go through and save me!

Such is the nature of mafia. You voted me because oka and hopkirk told you to

[Albert B. Rampage]

Mastin where are you in your catchup?

Exact same spot as before: page 14.

I can't simultaneously read the earlier pages AND read the current pages when the current pages are being created so rapidly. Given that I'm forced to choose, the current takes priority over the past.

When people start to slow down on the current posting, I'll go back to the past posting.

FML.

[hercule]

Mastin where are you in your catchup?

I'm just going to outsiurce my vote to mastin for the rest of day 1.

VOTE: hercules

this person clearly has not read the game, I should sheep them while I'm being wagoned, this elim will definitely go through and save me!

Such is the nature of mafia. You voted me because oka and hopkirk told you to

okay let me ask you this: do you think I am mafia?

[Dunnstral]

ABR is being very awkward. Not sure if he's town or scum here but he's certainly derailed this wagon.

I think we should stick to xtoxm today