TM 2021 Large Normal: OEIS Mafia (Part Two Is Out)

[the worst]

still down to policy abr :>

[OkaPoka]

i think there are enough people who want either xtoxm or abr today, its a matter of preference

[hercule]

Xtoxm is never escaping the POE this game. ABR is being actively scummy, in the thread, right now. I'm fine if they are the competing wagons, people should just vote who they think is mafia

[OkaPoka]

or in another words we are going to probably deliberate and then reconsolidate onto one of them

[hercule]

or in another words we are going to probably deliberate and then reconsolidate onto one of them

I think I would rather have a split than a consolidation for more information

[Dannflor]

I didn't like his response to me vs unwnd, actually, it felt like he was too far on the sidelines. I don't know his activity at the time which is why I'm not pushing this harder, but him trying to figure things out felt empty

to be fair, he doesn't strike me as the type of person who would *want* to get in the middle of a 1v1 no matter how untoxic

[OkaPoka]

or in another words we are going to probably deliberate and then reconsolidate onto one of them

I think I would rather have a split than a consolidation for more information

i don't really know how much info we would get because the people who want abr and the people who want xtoxm are largely overlapping circles

[implosion]

A000005: d(n) (also called tau(n) or sigma_0(n)), the number of divisors of n.

1, 2, 2, 3, 2, 4, 2, 4, 3, 4, 2, 6, 2, 4, 4, 5, 2, 6, 2, 6, 4, 4, 2, 8, 3, 4, 4, 6, 2, 8, 2, 6, 4, 4, 4, 9, 2, 4, 4, 8, 2, 8, 2, 6, 6, 4, 2, 10, 3, 6, 4, 6, 2, 8, 4, 8, 4, 4, 2, 12, 2, 4, 6, 7, 4, 8, 2, 6, 4, 8, 2, 12, 2, 4, 6, 6, 4, 8, 2, 10, 5, 4, 2, 12, 4, 4, 4, 8, 2, 12, 4, 6, 4, 4, 4, 12, 2, 6, 6, 9, 2, 8, 2, 8

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Vote Count 1.15

Albert B. Rampage

(6): Hopkirk, Dannflor, Cephrir, OkaPoka, the worst, hercule

Xtoxm

(4): DrippingGoofball, Dunnstral, Titus, innocentvillager

hercule

(2): mastina, Albert B. Rampage

DrippingGoofball

(1): Almost50

AGar

(1): Ythan

Titus

(1): AGar

mastina

(1): Winter Flakes

Not Voting

(2): Xtoxm, unwnd

With 18 alive, it takes 10 votes to eliminate. Deadline is set for January 29, 5:00 PM PST, in (expired on 2021-01-29 21:00:00).

[Dunnstral]

bruh the main thing is how do you tab in after 2 days to a wagon forming on you and your only post. your ONLY post is to paraphrase some shit your teammate said?? not even a "this is fine" meme?? nothing?

Quite easily as it turns out. Xtoxm was the D2 elimination that game; go look at his posting at the bottom of his iso. Notice something?

His posting there is almost nothing--no recognition of his situation, nothing.

And that's just the example I got from the top of his game history where he was eliminated.

I could find many others.

Suffice to say: Xtoxm reacting that way isn't scum; I actually think it's town.

They posted 16 times in one day while being ran up

And then at the end after they had been voted out, they posted one more time

It's not the same thing

[innocentvillager]

Here's my take on xtoxm and why I think he's null

You have to put yourself in a suspension of disbelief that xtoxm (along with his partners) see he's at E-2 whatever and not have some sort of reaction to it? If that's a gameplan and he's just going down for the towncred, who the hell is bussing him? There is slanker scum, I'm not denying that possibility. It's just that I think even the most feeble scum could see the town rallying to kill him and at least want to do some FUD before they're out the door

I would like this answered from the 'xtoxm is obvscum' crowd

Counterpoint: Why would they do that as town?

Slanking either way, not everything needs a reason

ABR is being very awkward. Not sure if he's town or scum here but he's certainly derailed this wagon.

I think we should stick to xtoxm today

good posting

[the worst]

mastina replaces JacksonVirgo.

mastina replaces JacksonVirgo.

woah mastina sure is good at replacing jacksonvirgo

- implosion

[mastina]

Lol you’re literally just pocketing mastina because she’s loud and will defend you

Dann.

There is a flaw in that strategy.

It is saying that ALBERT B. RAMPAGE.

Seriously thinks.

That going out of his way to pocket me, mastina.

Is a worthy investment.

In what world is me being loud and in defense of him enough to seriously dissuade a wagon on him? There's no world where that works; when I am loud but wildly off base, people just ignore me and go on to correctly eliminate the scum that I was loudly wrong on.

The only world in which my voice holds sway is the world in which I'm

not

wrong--the world where I make good, reasonable, rational, points based in sound logic that put actual genuine doubt into the nature of the wagon. That's the one and only world where me being loud has sway. Is if I am actually onto something in my defense being genuinely good.

And while I have gotten more reasonable and rational over the years, a significant portion of the team mafia crowd, ABR included, know me only as the loudmouth that is aggressively and loudly wrong. They hold very little respect for my ability to sway towns, because in their experience I don't.

You have one point which is potentially right--I don't really see why ABR would sheep me, because I would expect him to lack that respect in my capabilities, for him to not think I really have a good read on the state of the game. But even in that one point, ABR with me is the type of player who I seem to recall actually has done this before with me, when he was town, in spite of that general mindset towards me. So even in that potential point, I think it's not right.

I don't think ABR's winning strategy here as scum is to buddy up to me as a replacement and hope that I have enough sway to dissuade a D1 wagon on him through sheer force of loudness--I have not read the game, I have far less ground to stand on, there are players in this game that're just as loud as me but with far more information than me (you, tw come to mind among others), and there's plenty of players who will on policy/principle just ignore my loudness.

Me being loud and in defense of ABR isn't enough to save him.

It's only if I have actual grounds to save him that I can save him--if the reasons I am defending him are on a solid, reasonable, logical basis that has merit to it and resonates with others. And if the reasons I am defending him are solid, reasonable, logical basis with merits that resonate, then that means they're probably not something ABR came up with on the fly specifically when I replaced in. In other words. Not something that he was doing to fool me.

[OkaPoka]

xtoxm definitely was lurky in the team mafia normal no? @duck i know you were in that game

[Dannflor]

In what world is me being loud and in defense of him enough to seriously dissuade a wagon on him? There's no world where that works; when I am loud but wildly off base, people just ignore me and go on to correctly eliminate the scum that I was loudly wrong on.

my point was less that he's doing this as a grand strategy to save his skin and more just that it's incredibly disingenuous and doesn't reflect a good-faith town mindset regardless of his alignment

[Dannflor]

xtoxm not doing much about his wagon isn't a town case

[OkaPoka]

i think him lurking is NAI at best

[hercule]

@mastina you are so far into the weeds trying to guess what ABR is thinking for a slot that patently refuses to express their thoughts

[mastina]

We flip the "deepwolf" d1

Yes we flip the deepwolf D1 who is SO deepwolf that they flip green.

In the world where, sayyyy, we flip ABR D1 and he flips green.
And flip Xtoxm D2 and he flips green.

I like my prediction for what y'all do on D3-5.

Because the reasons for wagoning ABR and Xtoxm are, largely: objectively shit, and will in hindsight when looked back on, be transparently poor to people with them realizing how shitty the reasons actually were.

The closest to a case on ABR was from Dann on "ABR is being lackluster and isn't aggressive" (which I've yet to have a chance to investigate, but I suspect will not be due to ABR being scum because ABR as scum has absolutely no issue being aggressive and coming up with reasoning--seriously, how many people here have played with ABR as scum? For those who have, was he in that scumgame of his in any way remotely lackluster in aggression? Because when I've seen ABR as scum he very much was not lacking in that department).

The closest to a case on Xtoxm is "he's not doing much, especially when under pressure", which a simple meta check on Xtoxm will show...is not alignment indicative, because that's par for the course on Xtoxm.

[Dunnstral]

which a simple meta check on Xtoxm will show...is not alignment indicative,

I refuted your meta by pointing out that he posted 16 times in a day while being ran up, from what you linked. Here he posted once, and it was someone else's thoughts.

[OkaPoka]

sorry mastina but you need to catchup because background knowledge is kinda essential to understanding why we are voting abr or xtoxm

[Albert B. Rampage]

You have one point which is potentially right--I don't really see why ABR would sheep me, because I would expect him to lack that respect in my capabilities, for him to not think I really have a good read on the state of the game. But even in that one point, ABR with me is the type of player who I seem to recall actually has done this before with me, when he was town, in spite of that general mindset towards me. So even in that potential point, I think it's not right.

Beggars can't be choosers

Anyways I shouldn't have garnered so much attention. The only people this helps is scum. I'll let things die down and try not to stop the show. I made 1 post about xtoxm you guys disagree with and the entire posse jumped on me. I'm town.

[Dannflor]

The closest to a case on Xtoxm is "he's not doing much, especially when under pressure", which a simple meta check on Xtoxm will show...is not alignment indicative, because that's par for the course on Xtoxm.

that's actually not the reasons people are voting for xtoxm

you brought this up as a town case

people are merely arguing that him not doing anything now isn't a town case

[innocentvillager]

i want to vibe with mastina posting but im just not getting anything

[Cephrir]

I wish, but all I really got is that hercule's posts look like scum through and through. I don't really have objective reasoning for why. Everything from hercule just feels forced and fake, and looks like scum that doesn't know how to be town in a playerlist filled to the brim with greats. I just don't see anything town in hercule at all, and the few stances I've seen from hercule feel slimy.

what the fuck is this? this might possibly be the most made-up garbage read I've seen the entire game, and that's saying something considering Ythan accused me of lying about some real mundane shit. "scum that doesn't know how to be town in a playerlist filled with greats" ??????? i don't even know a single person at the table. imagine trying to metaread me and not even knowing basic facts about me

welcome to mastina

if you look closely, you will notice that she will never provide any reason for any read that isn't just another way of saying "because it feels like scum"

[Albert B. Rampage]

"Xtoxm said Titus townreading someone scumreading her was townish before that someone scumread her"

"ABR is trying to stop town from lynching xtoxm and he has no reads"

Those are the cases on the table right now