TM 2021: A normal roguelike

[The Bulge]

sorry

[Isis]

Votecount 1.6

• Sirius9121
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• Augustus
  Caesar
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• Aristophanes
  (1) - Datisi
  
• Datisi
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• Summer
  Nights
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• Creature
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• xofelf
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• DeasVail
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• The
  Bulge
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• Adorable
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• petapan
  (0)
  
• xRECKONERx
  (1) - Aristophanes
  
• beeboy
  (5) - Augustus Caesar, Summer Nights, Adorable, xRECKONERx, petapan, The Bulge

Not Voting (4) : Creature, xofelf, Sirius9121, DeasVail, beeboy,
Deadline: (expired on 2021-01-29 21:00:00)
With thirteen alive, it takes seven votes to eliminate and seven votes to skip the day's elimination.

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Orcs in green robes are priests. Priests can smite, dealing damage that never misses, cannot be reduce by AC, and can be cast (invoked? prayed for?) even if plant or allies are in the way, as long as their foe is "in line of sight". This makes them one of the most dangerous enemies in the game, especially early, before earning more max health, the one thing that "counteracts" smiting attacks at all.
The safest thing to do would be to go upstairs, find a different stairwell, then clear the rest of the floor which is probably easier, level up, and then take them on.
The second safest thing to do would be to go hide behind a wall and then shout so that they come one at a time (the mage in purple also has ranged attacks and is dangerous).

We are going to try to creep up on them and backstab them and hope they don't wake up. If any of the stealth rolls stepping towards them fail, we will not get the dagger backstab bonus damage, and they will start making noise to wake eachother up.

[The Bulge]

i actually do feel kinda bad for striking while you were probably changing accounts when i dont think ive ever done a pagetop like that as a player in my life

[The Bulge]

anyway I nearly froze my ass off at work today. feeling both mentally and physically exhausted so we'll see if I get around to doing as much as I had hoped tonight.

[petapan]

bulge can you just say who your vanity vote is already i dont care what the reasoning is. it feels like we are just waiting around on a few people

[The Bulge]

first tell me you're town.

[petapan]

i am 100% confirmed scum

[Isis]

Do not criticize other players' play by comparing it to Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder or any other mental condition.

[xofelf]

ydrasse, deas, the council has asked if you can put down a vote or something i dunno.

Datisi, I was waiting for Ari to actually respond to my question before I explained more on how he feels off, and he's still not done so which is rather annoying. I have liked what you've been giving, but you do feel like you're a little overanxious here bud. Idk if that's your usual gig or not, but I don't really think it's anything AI.

why did you bring it up, if you don't think it's ai?

I said I don't *think* it's AI, was sorta hoping for clarification from you or people who know you better than I do about whether or not that's just you as a person or how you play games. I think you and I have played only the one game together(it's possibly two and I suck at remembering), and I was in a hydra in that one so I wasn't working nearly so hard to notice things and get reactions. Your posting since has sorta calmed down in a way that does tell me it might just be how you start games traditionally.

alright, next let's talk about xofelf's 262. an oasis in the war. content in the barren landscape. a pencil sharpener in the parking lot

firstly, the read on Summer being too fluffy or disingenuous: this is NAI for Summer and shouldn't be read into too much. can town!xofelf see that as scummy though? absolutely, so that's okay

Oh so this is just how she typically is? Okay, thanks for that.

Like in one post she's talking about how she really likes how one person is doing, and then the very next about them is talking about how she doesn't feel good about them. And that's hella sus.

this part i don't like as much because specifics would be very helpful rather than a vague assessment.

@xofelf:

care to help an old friend out?

Sure, I'll go dig out the posts in question. I don't typically link to specific posts as my reading of a person or slot is done holistically and more of an overall tone than specifics, but I can dig out the specific posts I was talking about.
....which I realize that I just misread who Summer was talking about so she didn't actually flipflop on Bulge like I thought I read when she was talking to Datisi when I made up this post so uh nope, that's a bad. Maybe I do need to always link to posts if I think I see something D:[/quote]

xofelf's theory about Summer/Adorable being aligned i'm not a huge fan of. Adorable has been the pivotal talking point of this game so far, being the slot that people have had the strongest townreads on, while others have had polarising solid townreads on. it's natural she talks about it and i don't think the extent to which she does is unusual or over the top. she has other content talking about other slots which aren't based on puff-stuff (puff is adorable btw)

@xofelf:

if there's a particular point on adorable that you think is forced on Summer's part, could you point me to it and why you don't like the reasoning?

Do you have to use a nickname and not her username? I get it's cuz of the avatar but for whatever reason you say Puff and my brain goes "but Pinkball's not in this game? who are you talking about???" every time.
But that aside, I didn't like 157 cuz at the time it happened Datisi's interactions with adorable made sense to me, like he voted a slot he thought was doing confusing things. Just all of his interaction made sense to me, so it felt really weird. But also it felt like the kind of things you would say if you were trying to give an example to a less experienced scumplayer to follow. That hey, if you interact more here, you can make Datisi look worse perhaps and you look better. It might just be Summer is a helpful person in general. Just it all pinged really poorly for me.

But also, Summer did an awful lot of defending or explaining for adorable(ctrl-f has adorable show up 20 times in that iso, some of which are quotes, but most are Summer herself), and yet adorable has only talked to or about Summer once, and it was just a direct question that Summer asked her about what she liked in the game. It felt like a softball you'd throw to a scumpartner to set them up for a read or misdirection. I just don't think that a town player would just completely ignore someone who is talking for them that much. Even just a thank you or acknowledgement post, but there's nothing.

Does Puff seem like the type of player who would thank someone defending her, or just let them? because i don't think she's the former
hmm, actually, i do get why you get the impression it's odd puff isn't really interacting with summer as much as she is the others talking about her, but i think part of that is because puff has mostly just been responding to people asking her questions, and summer didn't ask her any after the initial one way back

Idk what kind of player she really is. I've never even heard of her before Team Mafia. It's more just a thing I'd expect people do as people. If someone is helping you out with something or explaining for you in a better way than the words you just used, you thank them. But like, town should be working together so if someone is helping you and you're town, you thank them, no? Idk, this might just be a me thing cuz it just makes sense that that's what you do, especially if you're town. But also like, if someone is talking about you that much, ignoring them just feels really really weird.

@Ari, yes your wallposts did help. Though idk, still felt really weird. Like you coming in with your big wall was all performative. And that's really what my initial you felt off came from. Maybe you're doing your you want people to think the best of you schtick, but it felt saccharine in a bad way. In a no "look see, I'm sweet innocent Ari, I promise!" way. You do raise some really good points and I don't think the content is completely bad. You've moved to null for now. There's just something man. It's not that you don't read genuine this time, it's rather I don't quite get how you're reaching some of the conclusions you are. Then again, I have to remember, you always want to see the best in people always, so your conclusions follow the same sort of logic.(I learned a lot about how you think and why during your video confessionals, see!). But I definitely don't like you comparing my lack of activity to beeboy's. I've posted shit and been trying to contribute in the way that I can. Beeboy has done nothing at all so even putting us in the same basket I don't like.

Breaking for now as that was the stuff I had to directly respond to as far as I recalled. Lemme know if I missed anything. I do have further thoughts about what is currently happening.

[Aristophanes]

I haven't said anything for 5 pages but also feel like the game is mostly on autopilot right now and there's not much to say?

I mean, for starters this is long overdue...
UNVOTE: Reck
I can backburner this and rethink things as we go. I mean, my team had answers for your alignment as both towny and scummy and it's obviously not something I can make happen today so whatever.

Pretty sure we're set on beeboy and while my stance that it's mostly NAI remains, I'm not actually against it.
I do find it interesting that Reck voting there while saying "meta is trash, but lets yeet this guy" is mostly accepted while my saying "screw meta and let him have a chance" is mostly not accepted but I think that's also probably not as telling as I'd like it to be.

Uhm...I still have to do the Bulge and Datisi things and will get to that. Also I'd address xof but I don't exactly know how to here.
Like my mentioning of you and beeboy in the same framework was strictly activity levels and not content levels and the answers people gave were quite reasonable.
Also I don't see the put on persona you do (probably because I really don't feel I'm putting one on here) and I mean, that's w/e anyway.

Uh, mostly okay with day ending whenever so we don't stall out and will vote beebs is I need to despite them being as null as one can be.

Oh, also I wanted to address Reck, one sec I'll get the quote!
It's obv from his readslist.

Aristophanes: boy, this is just a weird, gross kinda slot. overeager is ari's brand, but something ab the early RVS joke play here feels hollow and nongenuine. the hop onto me with hectic was awful. "reck is off" isn't anything. i asked for an elaboration and he couldn't give one, he just backpedaled on using the word "off". p much my entire adorable townread epiphany came from looking at how far ari was bending over backwards to defend her. the hop off and hop BACK onto me is gross, and it's all wrapped up in this defense of adorable's contradictory behavior. i don't believe town would have such a boner for shutting down someone calling out contradictions. he also has this entire narrative he's putting out there that i was ever attacking or tunneling on hectic when i literally haven't the entire game, he's just trying to use my loud personality to poison the well. it's all scummy as fuck.

I don't know that it's actually scummy, but I feel like Reck is obviously either misrepping or misunderstanding me in a lot of thins here.

The hop onto you with hectic had a lot to do with a #fuckit attitude. When you asked about me saying you were off I did not just backpedal and I thought my recognizing that the statement was flawed was fine. I did say other things there yaknow. I stand by my defense of Adorable and I really don't see why town wouldn't do what I did there. Defending someone you know to be odd when they are odd makes really good sense to me. And I did not create a narrative of you tunneling on hectic. That was another falter in phrasing which I addressed. I was saying that as scum I would expect you ho stick on something that you could easily make outrage posts about. I thought it would be Hectic's posts. It ended up being Adorable's. I know you have a loud personality, and I am literally not "poisoning the well" with that fact. Nice try tho.

Like the more I think about it while writing this the more it looks to me like a blatant misrep of me in order to discredit me and this read I have on you, and I'm not cool with it.
I would legit Eliminate you if it were my choice. Alas it's not and I must therefore drop it for now. But this is not going away. I am already regretting the unvote I've made in this post and it hasn't even been posted yet.

Oh,I missed the hop off and back onto you. Can you explain why that's "gross"? Because looking at this, "gross" tells me just about as much as "interesting" told you and I'd like a fuller explanation.

[Aristophanes]

I guess there was more to say than I thought.

[petapan]

i like that response from ari

[petapan]

very free flowing

[xRECKONERx]

The hop onto you with hectic had a lot to do with a #fuckit attitude. When you asked about me saying you were off I did not just backpedal and I thought my recognizing that the statement was flawed was fine. I did say other things there yaknow. I stand by my defense of Adorable and I really don't see why town wouldn't do what I did there. Defending someone you know to be odd when they are odd makes really good sense to me. And I did not create a narrative of you tunneling on hectic. That was another falter in phrasing which I addressed. I was saying that as scum I would expect you ho stick on something that you could easily make outrage posts about. I thought it would be Hectic's posts. It ended up being Adorable's. I know you have a loud personality, and I am literally not "poisoning the well" with that fact. Nice try tho.

1. Do you think scum would refuse to defend Adorable? how do you think scum would play around Adorable, if town, and she was being pushed by town? Would they pile on? or would they defend? Or ignore?

2. You implied I was going after Hectic, I was not. Walking it back because both me and

Hectic himself

called you out on it after the fact doesn't really do much for me. Like... testing the waters by slightly misrepping what was happening is kinda what scum would do, and if called out on it, I would expect them to backpedal not double down. Because like, what's the other option? "Oops, you got me, I was lying for no reason"? No, you've got to try to talk it down somehow or recontextualize it.

3. You say "nice try tho". What does this mean? You're implying you think I'm "trying" something nefarious. That is clearly implying that I'm scum, yet in the very same post, you've unvoted me and said I'm on the "back burner". This looks very much like you trying to throw shade my way to keep the door open for jumping on me again when it becomes politically convenient for you to do so, while backing off of a wagon that is no longer popular.

[xRECKONERx]

Oh,I missed the hop off and back onto you. Can you explain why that's "gross"? Because looking at this, "gross" tells me just about as much as "interesting" told you and I'd like a fuller explanation.

Because it enables you to feign like you're going to "naturally" progress on a read without actually progressing. It's shorthand for actually doing work and I would expect scum to be performative like that while I would expect town to just get caught up and give a sitrep.

[Sirius9121]

@cactus head

ico just told you to bite him because u said that schrodinger's cat is a big word for dragon boi.

[Aristophanes]

1. Do you think scum would refuse to defend Adorable? how do you think scum would play around Adorable, if town, and she was being pushed by town? Would they pile on? or would they defend? Or ignore?

2. You implied I was going after Hectic, I was not. Walking it back because both me and Hectic himself called you out on it after the fact doesn't really do much for me. Like... testing the waters by slightly misrepping what was happening is kinda what scum would do, and if called out on it, I would expect them to backpedal not double down. Because like, what's the other option? "Oops, you got me, I was lying for no reason"? No, you've got to try to talk it down somehow or recontextualize it.

3. You say "nice try tho". What does this mean? You're implying you think I'm "trying" something nefarious. That is clearly implying that I'm scum, yet in the very same post, you've unvoted me and said I'm on the "back burner". This looks very much like you trying to throw shade my way to keep the door open for jumping on me again when it becomes politically convenient for you to do so, while backing off of a wagon that is no longer popular.

1. I meam, as scum I dould jump on or shade it until I could. My response would likely have been that Adorable is odd and that I think that's scummy but want to give them a chance to change that. Then as long as the wagon stays viable I'd jump on it. I'm really sure that would have been my plat play there as scum. I mean, a person on the scumteam defending them would be possible too but it probably wouldn't be me.

2. I did not fucking walk that back. Here I'll quote what I said:

@ari, thoughts on 107? I'm not a big fan of the answer you gave

I'm not sure I understand the question. I think his response to my response probably showed that the raging is genuine, but I hope he's done more since then and isn't just raging for the sake of it so he looks like he's contributing without giving any content and having an easy slot to tunnel.

I was busy yesterday and work 12h today but if I get a lunch break I'll be back to catch up! Otherwise it will be mostly tomorrow, for which I apologize.

In that post I said I hope you're not raging for the sake of raging giving you an easy slot to tunnel.
Not said: "Reck is tunneling Hectic"
Wow. Tough reading. Definitely some backpedaling needed there. I clarified already that my intent was not to imply you were scumreading Hectic. I never said you were! This isn't a backpedal because it's literally fabricated in your mind!

3. Yes, I was implying you're scum. I noted regretting the unvote. I noted that I would literally eliminate you now if I could. Like basically if I had a vig shot I'd rather aim it at you than anyone else atm.
I realize, however, that a tunnel like that could hurt both our reads and the gamestate. I have enough awareness to say to myself "wow, Reck obviously isnt the Elim today. Maybe I should put that aside since it looks like beeboy is the Elim and I don't want to clutter the game at a point when the day is winding to a natural close. Maybe I even said all that in that very post! :O

I literally backed off because it's not going to happen today. I'm not shading you, I'm scumreading youm but I have enough sense not to drag us into a 1v1 right now.

I have no response to 614. I was catching up and recalibrating as I went. Simple.
I don't think I've run into "sitrep" before, should I know what it means?

[petapan]

@cactus head

ico just told you to bite him because u said that schrodinger's cat is a big word for dragon boi.

sirius, can you please get iv to explain why he townreads me and paraphrase it, thank you

[Datisi]

ok @sirius stop calling me cactus, it's annoying.

oh look beeboy is in prod range again. why do people join games to not play them. (yes peta i know what you're about to respond to this i know.)

insert: complaint how right now there is more than one person who is policy-able and that is sapping my will to even try. does that kinda complaint make me +town or +scum? anyway.

which is reminding me that @ari still owes me some explanation about his read on me
actually @creature you haven't responded to my 451
(and @ydrasse still waiting on your teammates)

quoting this every day until the people in question acknowledge me, day one. (yes i know ydrasse didn't even post in the meantime, no i don't care.)

i will admit him flaking in the first one weakens the case but in betrayal he was able to produce some level of opinion where here it is nothing

i also think the language in his two posts has been scummy (yes, really). the "is there something I should know before reading back?" is the sort of thing a friend of mine would latch onto b/c ben franklin effect or w/e

i wrote this down in my notes but then i realized there isn't really a reason not to type it out into the main thread. if beeboy is town, i think this reaction kinda sorta sounds like scum annoyed that their ez misyeet might slither away.

ydrasse, deas, the council has asked if you can put down a vote or something i dunno.

Datisi, I was waiting for Ari to actually respond to my question before I explained more on how he feels off, and he's still not done so which is rather annoying. I have liked what you've been giving, but you do feel like you're a little overanxious here bud. Idk if that's your usual gig or not, but I don't really think it's anything AI.

why did you bring it up, if you don't think it's ai?

I said I don't *think* it's AI, was sorta hoping for clarification from you or people who know you better than I do about whether or not that's just you as a person or how you play games. I think you and I have played only the one game together(it's possibly two and I suck at remembering), and I was in a hydra in that one so I wasn't working nearly so hard to notice things and get reactions. Your posting since has sorta calmed down in a way that does tell me it might just be how you start games traditionally.

it's not ai. it stems from me absolutely hating being executed and trying to be townread, regardless of my alignment. also i'm an anxious person in general. up to the reader to determine if it's town or scum anxiety, i guess.

and it's two games actually, the second one being haunted village, but i barely played in both those games, so.

[petapan]

i wrote this down in my notes but then i realized there isn't really a reason not to type it out into the main thread. if beeboy is town, i think this reaction kinda sorta sounds like scum annoyed that their ez misyeet might slither away.

if i'm scum here i don't think i even bother pushing this because it's beneficial to have a nothing slot like that going later into the game because people will always distrust it and he's not likely to be a threat, i just keep him constantly on the backburner and push elsewhere. i mean i guess the risk would be that he starts actually playing and gets townread but it's hard for people to overcome their bias toawrd a slot if it gets a late start.


that being said i think i could shift my vote to the bulge here. that's probably underwhelming as well but when ari said he suspected bulge, i did go back and look and see he was doing a lot of questioning without pushing anywhere, and the fact that he keeps

talking about

making a vanity vote rather than

actually doing it

is scummy to me. i think because coming up with a lie is a little more difficult/unpleasant, people tend to procrastinate more as scum. i feel like if he had some super secret read he'd have just said it by now but he's holding back because he feels a need to justify it and hasn't been able to yet. that's my theory at least

[Datisi]

well, yeah, starts playing or gets replaced. peta, how did you find the links in 481? i notice you weren't playing in either beeboy scumgames. the one game you said weakens your case is literally the first towngame i found in his egosearch. did you not bother to look up his towngames?

and, eh. i definitely don't townread bulge. i don't have a desire to start shifting votes elsewhere, because i think the Y-2 wagon on beeboy is a nice thing to wait for him upon return, but bulge is definitely like. not a townread.

actually wait, i'm not on beeboy right now.
VOTE: bulge
now if i'm the bulge's vanity vote, i can call bulge scum for omgusing, oh my god i'm a genuis.

[petapan]

i read games a lot in my spare time or at least skim them, and he was scum in xenoblade where he was like the one scum i actually read correctly, but that game was such a psychotic hyperposting spamfest that i didn't feel as though it would be a good representative case at all

[xRECKONERx]

1. I meam, as scum I dould jump on or shade it until I could. My response would likely have been that Adorable is odd and that I think that's scummy but want to give them a chance to change that. Then as long as the wagon stays viable I'd jump on it. I'm really sure that would have been my plat play there as scum. I mean, a person on the scumteam defending them would be possible too but it probably wouldn't be me.

I wasn't asking for your play as scum. I was asking for what I did that was scummy -- do you just think ANY push on Adorable is scummy? In a world where you're wrong and Adorable is scum, what does a pro-town push on Adorable-scum look like, and how is it different from a pro-scum push on Adorable town. I'm jumbling my words. I'm basically asking if Adorable is scum, is there a way town could even push that without you jumping down their throat? If they're town, is it inherently anti-town from your POV to even question their contradictions?

2. I did not fucking walk that back. Here I'll quote what I said:

@ari, thoughts on 107? I'm not a big fan of the answer you gave

I'm not sure I understand the question. I think his response to my response probably showed that the raging is genuine, but I hope he's done more since then and isn't just raging for the sake of it so he looks like he's contributing without giving any content and having an easy slot to tunnel.

I was busy yesterday and work 12h today but if I get a lunch break I'll be back to catch up! Otherwise it will be mostly tomorrow, for which I apologize.

In that post I said I hope you're not raging for the sake of raging giving you an easy slot to tunnel.
Not said: "Reck is tunneling Hectic"
Wow. Tough reading. Definitely some backpedaling needed there. I clarified already that my intent was not to imply you were scumreading Hectic. I never said you were! This isn't a backpedal because it's literally fabricated in your mind!

Then that's my mistake, I was recalling this Hectic post about the situation:

Ari is Ari so far. the takes he's given on Reck are okay, not too sure otherwise

@ari, thoughts on 107? I'm not a big fan of the answer you gave

I'm not sure I understand the question. I think his response to my response probably showed that the raging is genuine, but I hope he's done more since then and isn't just raging for the sake of it so he looks like he's contributing without giving any content and having an

easy slot to tunnel

.

I was busy yesterday and work 12h today but if I get a lunch break I'll be back to catch up! Otherwise it will be mostly tomorrow, for which I apologize.

however, Reck never expressed a scumread on me, in fact, he's only had me as a varying level of ~town~
what gave you the impression he is or plans to tunnel me?

btw did you like the cute red highlight i used? i thought it'd be on-brand

3. Yes, I was implying you're scum. I noted regretting the unvote. I noted that I would literally eliminate you now if I could. Like basically if I had a vig shot I'd rather aim it at you than anyone else atm.
I realize, however, that a tunnel like that could hurt both our reads and the gamestate. I have enough awareness to say to myself "wow, Reck obviously isnt the Elim today. Maybe I should put that aside since it looks like beeboy is the Elim and I don't want to clutter the game at a point when the day is winding to a natural close. Maybe I even said all that in that very post! :O

I literally backed off because it's not going to happen today. I'm not shading you, I'm scumreading youm but I have enough sense not to drag us into a 1v1 right now.

I have no response to 614. I was catching up and recalibrating as I went. Simple.
I don't think I've run into "sitrep" before, should I know what it means?

It means situation report. And you think I'm scum, but you're not pushing me? The fuck? Since when it not pursuing your scumreads a pro-town thing to do?

You followed Hectic's RVS bait onto me, then when I called you out you basically said you were voting me for raging. Since then, you've sorta thrown everything else I did after the fact into the "raging for the sake of raging" category. That isn't the case. You call ME out for continuing to push and prod the Adorable contradictions, but not DV & petapan, who were also pushing for more answers along with me. But you narrow in your questioning on

me specifically

. Why is that? Is it because I'm too angry as a player? Is it because DV was being widely townread, peta was null, and I had already ruffled feathers in my direction? You're giving other people a pass for a push on a

opently, blatant contradiction

.

As you should!

Because pushing and calling out lies/contradictions is like Mafia fucking 101 here, and you're not dumb enough to play dumb and act like you don't know that.

You could've commented on any of my other reads I provided outside of Adorable if you were interested in engaging me. You could've commented on my call on Sirius being town, you could've evolved your read at all in light of further conversations between me/Adorable, but you haven't. To me, it looks like you've picked your pet scumread to comfortably sit back and tunnel on to avoid responsibility for doing anything else. Your passing mentions of Bulge and Datisi and xofelf as "things you will get to later" don't count. You promised an iso on Datisi, and instead went back to just shouting about how I'm scum for being ragey early on and then rightfully calling out Adorable for being a walking talking contradiction factory.

[xRECKONERx]

Wooo beeboy past the prod window again, hell yeah

Just a couple more and he gets yeeted for us

[Datisi]

Wooo beeboy past the prod window again, hell yeah

Just a couple more and he gets yeeted for us

what does this post mean?