TM 2021 Large Normal: OEIS Mafia (Part Two Is Out)

[Cephrir]

i'm pretty sure i'm not drunk, so it must be that the thread is beer goggles

[OkaPoka]

how has winterflakes managed to not talk xtoxm read still

he has gone from 0 to 8 xtoxm mentions in his iso and literally all of them don't actually have to do with xtoxm

pedit: no you are not alone cephrir although I am partially to blame because I keep interacting with mastina thinking that I can give her salvation

[Winter Flakes]

this is an easy thing to check!

yeah i'm just lazy and am unaccustomed to games with this many players so i'm getting lost

in regards to you saying you had said some stuff about xtoxm, i'm not really seeing it other than asking why particular people SR them and other little bits? what were you referring to exactly? i'm not seeing anything about you actually having a reason for SRing them or wanting them gone?

[Winter Flakes]

how has winterflakes managed to not talk xtoxm read still

tbh i haven't paid attention to you, titus, AGar or Xtoxm this game. Ythan also fits here to a lesser degree. Dann did as well prior to just now

it's a me thing i'm just not that great at managing this many people i typically play like micros and shit

[Cephrir]

maybe this whole thing is completely understandable and i'm sucking down some kool aid
it sure felt like it made sense at the time but now my brain hurts

[Cephrir]

how has winterflakes managed to not talk xtoxm read still

tbh i haven't paid attention to you, titus, AGar or Xtoxm this game. Ythan also fits here to a lesser degree. Dann did as well prior to just now

it's a me thing i'm just not that great at managing this many people i typically play like micros and shit

agar and xtoxm are like really relevant slots to the game state can you try paying attention to them

[Ythan]

It's Flavor Aid.

[Winter Flakes]

that's also why i'm confused as to why people have so many locktowns or whatever but that may just be them being better at coming up with thoughts they're confident in in a list with this many people

like i probably only have 3 or maybe 4 strong TRs

[Cephrir]

i want everyone to read the page where worst/dann/etc made the case for abr and the page right before xtoxm wagon happened and give me a yay or nay on that instead of getting bogged down 14 onion layers away from it

[mastina]

points 3 and 4 mastina, points 3 and 4

That Xtoxm doubled down on it? 1213 links to 1079. That's not doubling down on it, that's him explaining where he got it from.

xtox my guy how did you get that from this
she was calling IV absolutely town (this is a near universal read atp), was called out for using "townblock" language when IV was voting her, then said it was ok he was voting her
all i'm seeing is a really safe townread on IV? oka's callout was kinda unproductive but how is her response towny?

Nowhere in this does the worst's post explain how it cannot be a townread for having voted her.
And then Xtoxm responded,

scum a typically reluctant to hard tr a slot thats going for them
auro also feels titus recent content is towny

I see no issue with this post; it flows from Xtoxm's interpretation and belief.

no but do you see duck's point
the townread was established before the scumread was

yeah
but she stuck to it and strengthened with the new information

In my defense of Xtoxm,

I literally said the exact same thing

.

I literally said exactly what Xtoxm was saying here. Like I said: if I could come to this conclusion, which I did, why couldn't Xtoxm?

i think it would have been really easy to just not make a comment there, or leave it at 'i havent got there yet'

And this is a valid point.

I feel like Xtoxm's defense of Titus isn't problematic.

It is perfectly probable and reasonable to develop a townread on a player for a flawed reason.
When the flaws of this townread are shown, it is perfectly probable, and reasonable, to then evaluate the flaw and then come to the conclusion that even if the initial premise was flawed, the new perspective actually strengthens the read rather than shattering it.

Doubling down on the flawed read's reason, in this case, actually looks like analyzing the read and coming to the conclusion that it stands for a different reason anyway.

Xtoxm's process there isn't fake--it's incredibly fluid and organic and that type of read evolution is PRECISELY the type of read evolution that comes from town.

[Winter Flakes]

agar and xtoxm are like really relevant slots to the game state can you try paying attention to them

I will read ISOs and see if that's helpful

lacking context might hurt but i'll probably be able to figure out what's going on

[Cephrir]

that's also why i'm confused as to why people have so many locktowns or whatever but that may just be them being better at coming up with thoughts they're confident in in a list with this many people

like i probably only have 3 or maybe 4 strong TRs

does anyone besides maybe mastina because, i dunno, hercule and i stole her lucky charms or something, really have locktowns? i don't, i would be pretty surprised if oka were scum here but anything is possible

[unwnd]

In another timeline Xtoxm was hammered

I'm sorry I let everyone down

[Ythan]

In this timeline I'm hammered

[mastina]

this is an easy thing to check!

VOTE: xtoxm

I lose interest when people start using words like deepwolf, LHF and LAMIST. Anyways can we flip Xtoxm?

abr, why is xtoxm scum
and for brownie points why is he a better flip than any other flip

As far as I'm concerned he's done little and less to help the town. Spending most of the day not voting is innacptable, and his iso is sparse and underwhelming. Not a slot I'd be sorry to see go.

how am i meant to decide between eliminating xtoxm, eliminating abr, and policying hercule
this game is impossible

It's easy, one is at L-2 and the other two aren't.

In what posts does ABR indicate he thinks the slot is actually going to flip scum? Certainly none of the quoted posts. These posts all scream "ABR is advocating for a policy-lynch" to me, and I don't see the problem with ABR thinking a slot he's advocating the policy lynch of is going to flip town; it is, after all, a policy lynch which is something that usually hits town.

[hercule]

honestly I'm vibing with Agar, I can't really align my brain with mastina at all and I would want to give her a pass and say she's not caught up, but at this point everyone has told her that and she is willfully ignoring it. Sometimes you just gotta vote scummy people and not make excuses for them. I feel the same way about ABR, I feel the same way about Xtoxm, I think they both reacted poorly to their wagons. I'll vote any of those three. I'll vote Ythan as well. That's where I'm at. If this day continues I will just keep sorting, I am not really in a hurry to end it but it seems to have intensified, so that's the four people I would vote in atm.

[unwnd]

Hammered like drunk right? I think you're right where you need to be bud

[Cephrir]

in exactly half of timelines i am a sentient hammer but i don't have any limbs or way to communicate so nobody knows i'm alive

[hercule]

I don't really feel like "scum is in control of the game" or masterminding these wagons, they feel pretty good to me, it's just an 18 person game and it's fucking hard to reach a consensus on day one. Just keep fighting the good fight. We'll get there

[Cephrir]

at this point i think it's safe to say no one is in control of this town and it would probably be better if someone were

[Ythan]

Does anyone else feel like everyone is using the word vibe this game

[Cephrir]

imagine we all just looked at each other and someone shouted, "if you're here, then who's driving the plane?"

[mastina]

I would want to give her a pass and say she's not caught up, but at this point everyone has told her that and she is willfully ignoring it.

1: Engaging with present is more important than not engaging and reading the past.
2: People have said that I lack the context, but whenever the context is brought up, I've investigated the context to analyze it.
3: Upon investigating the context, I've pointed out the flaws in their reasoning and given my thoughts on it.
4: People continue to say that I lack context, that my position is wrong. I continue to investigate any additional context they show, and continue to point out why I feel their stance is mistaken.

Just because I haven't read everything doesn't mean I am incapable of engaging on things--and I feel I raise valid points with my investigation that are being written off as "lol, lacks context", when...I HAVE investigated the context in them.

[OkaPoka]

i suppose going from townbloc -> never eliminate is not a downgrade but in fact, an upgrade? I mean what.

like read the exchange, xtoxm says he trs titus for tring iv scumreading her

proven that he is wrong, titus is not tring iv for scumreading her

he responds, ACTUALLY ITS BECAUSE SHE STRENGTHENED HER TOWNREAD ON IV FOR SCUMREADING HER

when clearly, townbloc -> never eliminate is not a strengthened read? unless you are willing to cut loose your townbloc, in which case lmao


I have three flips I want to do today

abr > xtomx >> winter flakes

[mastina]

(Also, I have a 7:30 obligation so I have to leave right now, be back later.)