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[Vaxkiller]

In what world is ignoring people a townie mindset

Sometimes it's +town for the rest of the town to ignore a bad town slot.
Not saying it's the case here, but just proving that it can indeed be a townie mindset to ignore a slot.

Why do you think I've been skimming the BBMolla push? It's bad town mostly.

Hayker and Plus need to flip. If Plus is town, Andres is lockscum.

Titus, assuming this is a bad town push on town, wouldn't scum be all over that? Seems like something you should not be ignoring.

[Andresvmb]

I'm really not interested in defending such a bad slot. But i do find it admirable that you are Andresvmb.

UGH I KNOW.

[Vaxkiller]

Re-reading my posts is a painful experience. I was AWFUL.

Why do you re-read your posts?

[Andresvmb]

Re-reading my posts is a painful experience. I was AWFUL.

Why do you re-read your posts?

I’m re-reading everything.

Also, sometimes I like to go back and see what I was thinking at any given time. Sometimes (not this game damn), but sometimes it helps me solve.

[Andresvmb]

Titus
Minimegabyte
DBG

NM

Andres
Nero
Vax
Luca
Norwee
Molla
Chk
Ranny
Norboy
Bypasser
Plusjoyed
Hayker

Quiet
Binatong
Gamma

Like if you want to see posts that were bad, this set of reads by Mom is even worse than whatever reads I had then. You all better make sure that the mechanical solve is correct otherwise we’re going to get screwed.

[Andresvmb]

My reads list is absolute shit.

Also that's a super specific claim that can't be tested until tomorrow night, but I don't think it's a claim that scum drops

Hahahaha yes.

[BBmolla]

I don't know how good Luca is normally, if Luca is a bad player they could be town

[BBmolla]

Why is Hayker in your townreads Andre

[Andresvmb]

Why is Hayker in your townreads Andre

I was rethinking the way the votes piled on Not_Mafia D1 - the vote there that is most likely to be a bus is Luca there. If Hayker really was busy, and after catching up put down an E-2 vote for Not_Mafia, is that coming from a Partner? I don’t know. I don’t think so.

[Andresvmb]

I’ll have to find some of the other content I liked because I’ve been taking notes down but I don’t have much on Hayker.

[Andresvmb]

Anyway I’m desperately trying to finish re-reading the whole game first.

[Binatog13]

Gamma is asking me what were my first night action. The point is I did nothing first night, which is kinda suspicious.

[Andresvmb]

Hayker (6): quiet, NorwegianboyEE, Rannygazoo, Andresvmb, BBMolla, Bypasser Catcher [E-5]
Not_Mafia (5): Nero Cain, Norfolk Boy1, MiniMegabyte, Binatog13, DrippingGoofball

Though Molla if you turn out to be Town, maybe we were right to push Hayker. I mean this game state has a lot of Town in it voting both slots. Like anybody still voting Not_Mafia at this stage (who hasn’t flipped already) I’m almost sure is Town. And I have a lot of good vibes from a lot of the slots voting Hayker here, a lot of which haven’t flipped (except for Ranny, Bypasser). I know I’m Town, and I think Norwegian/quiet are also Town.

[Andresvmb]

In fact, most of the slots I’m finding suspicious are NOT amongst Hayker/Not_Mafia in that vote count I just quoted. Except for Gamma who is obvTown and had a good reason to be pushing Bypasser (who, though Town, like me, was incorrectly slowing down the Not_Mafia execution before calling Not_Mafia Scummy).

[Andresvmb]

yall think we got a SvS wagon going?

Hayker is basically a newbie (based on their meta and play style), and generally newbies look scummy as either alignment. I’m willing to give him a little more leeway than PlusJOYED, given the context.

Like if plus is Town, and Hayker is Scum, Luca NEEDS to die.

[Andresvmb]

This game is so dense and hard to re-read. It’s taken me 3 hours and I’m still only at post ~#1400.

[Gamma Emerald]

No. The angle of attack on their wagons is similar.

Wdym
Don’t think it passes me that you said that and then BBMolla jacked up the AtE

[Andresvmb]

Spoiler: Quote thread -- mizzymod

I think you decided to whiteknight NM and once the momentum slowed felt like expressing a lean scum read on NM that you still have no intention of acting on
I might discuss it with others but I don’t think you’re gonna change my mind

That sounds really dishonest, if I'm being honest, Gamma.

I'm not going to explain why you are wrong right now so I can get info on other people's reaction to your move - but I will say your reasoning and logic is notably weak. Are you perhaps bluffing and hoping to get a reaction out of me?

Keep in mind you came into a slot that had a lower starting point for how I was reading it, since NPOM hadn't been especially towny before he got force-replaced. So really it's just a piece of the puzzle. You came in to a scumread slot, posted things that I thought were towny for the incorrect person I thought you were, I recalibrated when I found out your real identity and had less confidence in my townread but still felt you were kinda town, and then your NM handling brought you back into the SR zone. So with that, I don't think my read is that weak or that I'm being dishonest. And no this isn't intended as a reaction test.

So here's where I point out that your claim that my progression is "terrible" is bunk.
Between the point where you quoted that I said NM is prob town and shifted to a scumlean, there were 300 posts Gamma. 300. I recently played a game with NM where I was able to correctly sort them as town in a vanilla setup. This isn't a place where I'm seeing the same vibe from NM. I'm not infallible. I make mistakes. I'm definitely allowed to rectify them later when I see evidence that shows that I was wrong.

As for that last quote, that was mostly facetious with light seriousness that I want the claim to play out. You also scumlean the slot as per your recent posts. You can understand the PoV then why I want that too. You come off as a person who takes every statement people make as serious especially over text so I don't fault you for thinking I was just "flip flopping" there.

I said I'd wait for more reactions but I'm feeling impatient at the lack of activity rn.

Also you pinpointed the exact theory I had in my head about what I noticed wrt your progression on my slot.

So what brings you to believe this is specifically me being scum, seeing as your read is also based in who is occupying the slot?

I guess your NM read makes more sense now, though I’m not entirely willing to drop this. I will however
VOTE: Hayker

And yeah I mean then Gamma votes Hayker. Okay fine this could be an issue. I’ll have to ISO Hayker. It’s just so much work this damn game.

[Andresvmb]

^@Mod can you spoiler this post?

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma is asking me what were my first night action. The point is I did nothing first night, which is kinda suspicious.

I know what I need to. Thank you.

[Andresvmb]

Nero Cain/momrangal/Not_Mafia/Yakety Sax/quiet

Okay hahaha ignore my suspicions of Mom. I believe every person listed here is likely Town.

[Andresvmb]

^that’s still alive that is.

[Andresvmb]

Or maybe not? That end of day progression of Mom on Nero after {Norwegian, Gamma} vote there is pretty bad.

[Andresvmb]

I think DGB is full of shit to be totally honest.

No, DGB is right and you were just mad about being called naive. But I was. Apologies DGB.

[Andresvmb]

Gamma quiet Hawker Plusjoyed/andres scum theory at this point. Plusjoyed/andres being the weakest parts.

I think this is a horrendous solve.