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[Frogsterking]

Ah.

[Frogsterking]

Are you reading Ejji's absence as AI?

[Gamma Emerald]

I hadn’t thought much on it but it feels that way

[Frogsterking]

if you think I and lunar are a scum-team why aren’t you voting me lmao

and I said NOTHING about me and lunar being TvT. Don’t twist my words, please

I don’t think it’s you and lunar, I definitively think it is bugs and someone else, that someone else being lunar rn
And you didn’t say it now but it’s not impossible for you to try to bring it up later. If I were less charitable I’d suppose you were annoyed I called you on it pre-emptively.

ok, then comment on my last case as well.
Lunar is close to lock town on their own, they tunneled bugs for the majority of the game while mom jumped casually between unrelated wagons

mom wasn’t concerned wiht “2/3 of her scum team” getting lynched,
bugs didn’t seem pressured enough to fake ANY sort of interactions nor vote ANYWHERE, despite “2/3 of the scum team getting lynched”
and that all happened while lunar decided to screw all of them and buss.

how is that a functioning scum team????

Lunar, if the reason for your brief pro town change in playstyle at the beginning of D2 --where you actually appeared to be trying to scum hunt and explain your reads and interact with other players-- was because you were getting used to Normals, why are you regressing back into your D1 persona now? Are you getting un-used to them?

SIGH

I’m 99,999% certain that’s NAI.
Not explaining reads in detail =/= being scum.
Caring enough to explain everything = possibly not wanting to get scum-read = scummy.

unless a player is literally unable to fake content (which obviously isn’t the case for lunar) it works in the exact opposite way

I mean I guess it's weird to townread Lunar for tunneling on Bugs since Ejji was arguing Bugs was town.

[OutWorldER]

what's the gamma case.

I also don't really agree with the idea of eiji possibly being town because he defended Lunar. Lunar's a tough lim after the Amelie flip.

[Frogsterking]

if you think I and lunar are a scum-team why aren’t you voting me lmao

and I said NOTHING about me and lunar being TvT. Don’t twist my words, please

I don’t think it’s you and lunar, I definitively think it is bugs and someone else, that someone else being lunar rn
And you didn’t say it now but it’s not impossible for you to try to bring it up later. If I were less charitable I’d suppose you were annoyed I called you on it pre-emptively.

ok, then comment on my last case as well.
Lunar is close to lock town on their own, they tunneled bugs for the majority of the game while mom jumped casually between unrelated wagons

mom wasn’t concerned wiht “2/3 of her scum team” getting lynched,
bugs didn’t seem pressured enough to fake ANY sort of interactions nor vote ANYWHERE, despite “2/3 of the scum team getting lynched”
and that all happened while lunar decided to screw all of them and buss.

how is that a functioning scum team????

Lunar, if the reason for your brief pro town change in playstyle at the beginning of D2 --where you actually appeared to be trying to scum hunt and explain your reads and interact with other players-- was because you were getting used to Normals, why are you regressing back into your D1 persona now? Are you getting un-used to them?

SIGH

I’m 99,999% certain that’s NAI.
Not explaining reads in detail =/= being scum.
Caring enough to explain everything = possibly not wanting to get scum-read = scummy.

unless a player is literally unable to fake content (which obviously isn’t the case for lunar) it works in the exact opposite way

I mean I guess it's weird to townread Lunar for tunneling on Bugs since Ejji was arguing Bugs was town.

To clarify; it's incongruent fmpov for Ejji to be making this point about Lunar being Townie for tunneling Bugs.

[Luca Blight]

I’ll give ejj another 12 hours or so before I lay down my vote.

[ejjinami]

I’m back, couldn’t write yesterday.

I claim role-blocker. Assuming there’s 1 scum left, my role works like a cop now
green check on gamma. They couldn’t have performed the factional kill

luca is lock town, frogger is lock town, gamma is lock town, joq is lock town
the PoE is [me, ower, lunar]

as long as I get 1 check more, the game will end in a mechanical win

Are you reading Ejji's absence as AI?

you can confirm with gamma that I wrote quite a bit during the night. So even if you think I’m scum, that idea is just inaccurate

what's the gamma case.

I also don't really agree with the idea of eiji possibly being town because he defended Lunar. Lunar's a tough lim after the Amelie flip.

I defended “a townie” so I am scum?
...........unless you think both I and lunar can still be scum, your logic makes absolutely no sense

[Luca Blight]

Lunar to claim next.

[Luca Blight]

Who did your slot target on the previous nights, ejj?

[Frogsterking]

And what made you target Gamma, Ejji?

[Frogsterking]

UNVOTE: ejji

[Luca Blight]

Town:

Amelie - BG neighbor
Galron: Neap neighbor
Grendel - Traffic Analyst
Gamma: back-up neighbor
ejj - roleblocker neighbor??

Scum:

Bugs: backup neighbor
Momrangal: informed

Think that's where we're at right now.

[Frogsterking]

Traffic Analyst, Neapolitan Cop neighbor, Bodyguard neighbor, Backup Neighbor vs (scum) Role Stopper neighbor, Informed and scum Backup Neighbor I would consider balanced with 6 VTs giving town a whopping 3 mislynches and multiple clears via reports.

Once you have Traffic Analyst, Neapolitan neighbor, Bodyguard neighbor, AND Role Stopper neighbor I feel it's starting to stretch the town power.

I'm also not sure, do scum usually get at least one goon in Normals or not?

I guess in this scenario scum are on a low roll because Grendel's ability was balanced to have multiple false positives in this setup, but he correctly hit a scum n1, so the setup may feel more townsided than it would play out on average.

[ejjinami]

Let me be frank. Some of bug’s reactions to my town-read on him indicate that they were extremely amused by my actions.

Them misrepresenting my ISO-dive as a lock-town read on them, despite me pretty much admitting that I won’t stop anyone from hammering anymore just wouldn’t make sense if I was their teammate.
I’m pretty darn sure that’s how he wanted others to see my push on him.

Me hard defending lunar and galron (who both could have became really good counterwagons to bugs) makes no sense from my pov either.

Lol, I was in the hood with galron so as scum I’d have known that I would have to kill him later on. (because of his role)
My only reasons for town-reading him were hood-related so even if I placed doubts on him, no one would ever scum-read me for it...
Convincing people that he’s town would be nothing more than self-sabotage.


I was just stupid, that’s all I have to say...

None of that matters tho.
I will get night-killed tonight. The mafia can’t use their abilities and perform the factional kill at the same time so unless there’s some sort of special role that allows them to go around all of that, me blocking anyone will just instantly ruin them.

Honestly, I don’t care who among [lunar, ower] gets lynched anymore.

I had a really strong town-read on lunar but I have to admit that his interactions with bugs were worse than mine... which is an accomplishment considering that I was basically the only person who tried to save them

I’ll block one of them tonight. If I don’t get killed and there’s a night kill tomorrow, I’ll self vote. 
If I don’t get killed and there’s no mafia kill, let’s repeat this once more and if we don’t win, I’ll self vote again.

I won’t back down from this suggestion. If I ever do, feel free to assume that I’m just scum. 
Regardless of what we do, as long as I’m not lynched today we will 99,99999% win this.
Regardless of what we do, if I’m scum I WILL die.

Honestly, I kinda want lunar to be scum because it would clearly mean that there’s something wrong with my way of reading people xD
and I could freely call myself the honorary 4th scumteam member
but that’s not a good reason to lynch him.

I don’t care who I vote, as long as it’s among my 2-people PoE, I’ll be happy.

Who did your slot target on the previous nights, ejj?

n1- trendal targeted frogster
n2- luca xd

...upon reflection, I’m aware that my targets were crap

My N2 action and there being a factional kill was a good argument for you not being in the team..... cuz you would have been the PERFECT person to perform the kill read-wise
but I just ignored that after learning that the mafia can’t perform the kill and use their abilities at the same time... xd
.....
sorry xd
I got way too tunneled...

Lunar to claim next.

there’s no space in the role list now :/
he’ll claim VT regardless of alignment

And what made you target Gamma, Ejji?

tbh nothing... them still being in the PoE
regardless who I blocked among [gamma, ower, lunar] it would have been a good action.

[Frogsterking]

Does role stop resolve before night kill?

[ejjinami]

Town:

Amelie - BG neighbor
Galron: Neap neighbor
Grendel - Traffic Analyst
Gamma: back-up neighbor
ejj - roleblocker neighbor??

Scum:

Bugs: backup neighbor
Momrangal: informed

Think that's where we're at right now.

I’m decently confident that mom might have known about the power roles in the hood, or at least about grandel’s or amelie’s
Otherwise killing them N1 wouldn’t have made that much sense.
The last mafia role is likely powerful (and likely not a role-blocker cuz they should have targeted galron otherwise???)

[ejjinami]

Does role stop resolve before night kill?

.........this not being the case would make my role entirely useless :/

I haven’t asked about it tho.

[Frogsterking]

I agree your play makes less sense from a scum!Ejji perspective, especially a scum!rolestopper.

I was working on what Gamma asked D3, and I came up with a theory that you primarily scum hunt via introspection to determine the https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propositional_attitude of others.

[Frogsterking]

Town:

Amelie - BG neighbor
Galron: Neap neighbor
Grendel - Traffic Analyst
Gamma: back-up neighbor
ejj - roleblocker neighbor??

Scum:

Bugs: backup neighbor
Momrangal: informed

Think that's where we're at right now.

I’m decently confident that mom might have known about the power roles in the hood, or at least about grandel’s or amelie’s
Otherwise killing them N1 wouldn’t have made that much sense.
The last mafia role is likely powerful (and likely not a role-blocker cuz they should have targeted galron otherwise???)

TBH I can't imagine anything scum could have that would make the setup balanced. I'll go take a look at the role list though.

[ejjinami]

I agree your play makes less sense from a scum!Ejji perspective, especially a scum!rolestopper.

I was working on what Gamma asked D3, and I came up with a theory that you primarily scum hunt via introspection to determine the https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propositional_attitude of others.

yeah.... that’s what I “””””””specialize””””””” in.

with results you saw before lol

funnily, I would have nailed the scum-team in the last game I was about to replace into xd
that might be one of the reasons why I got overconfident here

[ejjinami]

TBH I can't imagine anything scum could have that would make the setup balanced. I'll go take a look at the role list though.

some sort of joat or role that could disrupt the investigatives would probably work....???????????????????
honestly, no idea

[Frogsterking]

Lunar shouldn't be claiming VT here because of his D1 soft.

[Frogsterking]

TBH I can't imagine anything scum could have that would make the setup balanced. I'll go take a look at the role list though.

some sort of joat or role that could disrupt the investigatives would probably work....???????????????????
honestly, no idea

If they have the ability to disrupt investigatives then they've done a terrible job with it.

[Frogsterking]

I agree your play makes less sense from a scum!Ejji perspective, especially a scum!rolestopper.

I was working on what Gamma asked D3, and I came up with a theory that you primarily scum hunt via introspection to determine the https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propositional_attitude of others.

yeah.... that’s what I “””””””specialize””””””” in.

with results you saw before lol

funnily, I would have nailed the scum-team in the last game I was about to replace into xd
that might be one of the reasons why I got overconfident here

Wait seriously I was right about that?

How would you describe your process of introspection?