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[chkflip]

Elaborate.

[Andresvmb]

Gamma is like ALWAYS Town here. And quiet? Nah. I’m also Town, and I’m being shaded as a result of wagon analysis that seems bogus.

[chkflip]

Wdym
Don’t think it passes me that you said that and then BBMolla jacked up the AtE

The angle of attack has been steadily the same all phase, so molla throwing a fit has little to do with me. It isn't even the first mention as Titus pointed out to quiet about his angle on me. And if you see a reaction to "the thing," surely you have some idea of what's being talked about.

[chkflip]

I’m being shaded as a result of wagon analysis that seems bogus

To my understanding, you're only being shaded in the event JOYED flips town and I'm not entirely certain I (or anyone for that matter) follows that train of thought precisely as Titus currently is. Do you think JOYED flips town here?

[Andresvmb]

The more interesting thing is how Luca was shaded so hard through day1 for resisting the Nero wagon, and then again later as someone scummy on the Nero wagon by Andres. I had the impression before I reviewed that Luca was scummy for day1, and now it seems like that could be a scummy narrative. Like I've had Andres as obvtown for days, but the number of reads I disagree with/pushes against other towny players is starting to add up in my head too. Maybe that's the point I'm coming to.

I think you’ve played a whole of a lot better than I have. For what it’s worth.

[Andresvmb]

Alright I’ll concede I was wrong about Luca. What I wanted to do was re-read D1, and read this day and see where I landed after all of the clarity we have gained. I think the way Norwegian and quiet are thinking about Luca makes sense.

[Andresvmb]

For myself, I will judge you by the quality of your reads.

Well you think I’m Town, and was being naive, and admit it. I’ve had some of the worst reads here. So this might be somewhat unfair to BBMolla.

[Andresvmb]

I think DGB is full of shit to be totally honest.

what makes you say this? Does that mean DGb is scum iyo?

No. I was being salty.

[Titus]

In what world is ignoring people a townie mindset

Sometimes it's +town for the rest of the town to ignore a bad town slot.
Not saying it's the case here, but just proving that it can indeed be a townie mindset to ignore a slot.

Why do you think I've been skimming the BBMolla push? It's bad town mostly.

Hayker and Plus need to flip. If Plus is town, Andres is lockscum.

Titus, assuming this is a bad town push on town, wouldn't scum be all over that? Seems like something you should not be ignoring.

Pronouns confuse your question.

[Titus]

Nero Cain/momrangal/Not_Mafia/Yakety Sax/quiet

Okay hahaha ignore my suspicions of Mom. I believe every person listed here is likely Town.

^that’s still alive that is.

Rule of 3 says

no.

[Titus]

Gamma quiet Hawker Plusjoyed/andres scum theory at this point. Plusjoyed/andres being the weakest parts.

I think this is a horrendous solve.

Oh good. Glad to know you approve.

[Titus]

I’m being shaded as a result of wagon analysis that seems bogus

To my understanding, you're only being shaded in the event JOYED flips town and I'm not entirely certain I (or anyone for that matter) follows that train of thought precisely as Titus currently is. Do you think JOYED flips town here?

Andres is lockscum in the Plus town universe.

I didn't comment much on a Plus scum universe.

[Andresvmb]

Okay I don’t have time to re-read the entire game. It’s just too many posts. I think I finished reading most of D1, and re-read D4 now, and I had been following the game obviously through D2/D3 but I haven’t had a chance to re-read that piece of it.

Town
{Nero Cain [Vanilla Town], MiniMegabyte/Mathblade [Town Role Watcher], Norfolk Boy1 [Vanilla Town], NPOM/Bypasser Catcher [Vanilla Town], Rannygazoo [Town Odd Nights Rolestopper]}
Strong Lean Town
{Binatog13, Momrangal}
Lean Town
{Gamma Emerald, NorwegianboyEE, DGB, quiet}
Slight Lean Town
{Luca Blight, Hayker}
Neutral
{BBMolla, plusJOYED}
Slight Lean Scum
{Vaxkiller, Titus, chkflip}
Lean Scum
{ }
Scum
{CheekyTeeky/Not_Mafia [1-Shot Strongman]}

[Andresvmb]

VOTE: plusJOYED

If the choice is between the two wagons I really can’t make my mind up about, then yeah I prefer this.

[Andresvmb]

I think Vax should be executed in this game at some point btw. I don’t have much credibility in this game but please somebody look closely there, and let me know what you see.

[Andresvmb]

Ugh but like the wagon on BBMolla really is better. It’s just so much salt coming from Molla with a self-vote on top of that. I hate that crap.

[Andresvmb]

I can’t keep reading I’m neglecting sleep / and the rest of my life. So yeah that’s probably better.

[Momrangal]

Andre, if I'm right about certain pt that can influence your reads I need to know, because it will definitely lend credence to Luca!scum here

[Andresvmb]

Andre, if I'm right about certain pt that can influence your reads I need to know, because it will definitely lend credence to Luca!scum here

Look I’ll walk you through what has influenced how I’ve tackled this game, and maybe why I’ve had some of the reactions that I’ve had, and maybe that’ll explain why I think paying attention to {Norwegian, quiet, Gamma, DGB} is correct here.

If you look at my ISO, I simply wasn’t around much between the beginning of the game, and by the time Cheeky replaced out. So I missed a lot of the real time flow of the game there, which was huge. Had I been paying closer attention, I would have followed {Gamma, Norwegian} and others that were pushing Cheeky for good reasons, and had frozen Scum on their sights. It was a good push, one they clearly rallied a lot of Town towards, and which took time and pressure. I only started paying closer attention once Bypasser and Not_Mafia came into the game. I had also just come out of a game with Not_Mafia where, like I said, they had greatly contributed to a Town victory. So I knew they weren’t just garbage, and wanted to see if I could Town read the slot and perhaps pay attention to their approach. Also, for what it’s worth, I was spot on about Nero. So if you combine the fact that I just mostly missed a good push by some of the players I’ve highlighted, and the push onto Nero which *was* bad, then you get this situation where I’m mistrustful of Norwegian/quiet/DGB. But they are like very likely Town, and have a better grasp for where the game is at.

So yeah, my reads have been bad, and my feel for the game here just hasn’t been there. So I think we need to listen to them more. And yeah, I was reading Luca’s approach to the early part of today - it seemed Town motivated. On top of the fact that they had a very decent POE they listed, where we only disagree on Vax if I recall correctly.

[Momrangal]

I mean I get it, but I'm looking more at Luca than I am looking at yours. I would admit that I am a bit curious on why you thought you would receive shit for flipping Luca from town to scum D1 but if I'm right, it means he was trying to pocket you and his shift on his read to you today is the result of the failed pocket

[Andresvmb]

I mean I get it, but I'm looking more at Luca than I am looking at yours. I would admit that I am a bit curious on why you thought you would receive shit for flipping Luca from town to scum D1 but if I'm right, it means he was trying to pocket you and his shift on his read to you today is the result of the failed pocket

I only got slight vibes that Luca was trying to pocket me, but it could have simply been that we were vibing, and being on opposite sides of the Nero wagon just made me really uneasy about them.

Out of all of the players that ultimately voted for Cheeky/Not_Mafia, Luca is one of the ones that does not get to derive a whole lot of Town cred for it. But! I have been *so bad* this game, that I cannot trust whatever my reads in the early part of the game were.

[Andresvmb]

I think Hayker is a stronger Town Lean that Luca, and I definitely think the people supporting Hayker are right about that one. But somebody already vocalized correctly why there’s still reason to be skeptical, and you can’t just lock that one, so I also thought that was fair.

[Andresvmb]

Btw chkflip has a few really good votes and posts, such as 991 (which almost sealed Not_Mafia’s fate D1 when pressure seemed to be reducing) and 1189. By tone I want to TR there, but there’s been some stuff that hasn’t been great. Like 692. So it’s a mixed bag. But by far my weakest Negative Lean of the group, actually.

[Andresvmb]

But Luca calling Vax “Very Likely Town” is not supported by anything I’ve read. Again, I’ve over-extended myself today so I could be just remembering wrong, but I don’t see how that one makes sense.

[Andresvmb]

But overall Mom I don’t have much reason to be skeptical of slots SR’ing me. If anything, I find it surprising that so many slots found worthwhile to *defend* me as Town here. Way too many people correctly concluded that I was Town but just way off. I haven’t even gathered much in the form of votes.