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[tris]

In case I didnt make it obvious enough: My interpretation is I think scum want to get out the only voice who was somewhat verbally opposed to their agenda of eliminating Cook

At what point did you stop believing this?

[DkKoba]

Also re: everything i posted. I dont want any replies that are like "i disagree lole shut down " i want a a dialogue where theres counter evidence not just a "i interpret this different" statement.

Also re: notes thing angleshoot ya i think its grimy too but its a consideration

[MiniMegabyte]

Vote Count 2.6

DkKoba (3):

Andresvmb, RLotus, bugspray

E-3

Geraintm (1):

Egix96

Facebones (1):

tris

Not Voting (6):

Jim Hawkins, Facebones, Flea The Magician, DkKoba, Geraintm, nopointinactingup

With 11 alive it takes 6 to eliminate

Day Two Ends In:

(expired on 2021-01-27 06:49:00)

[DkKoba]

v/la until saturday

Noted

[tris]

is there anybody out there?

[bugspray]

this stalled gamestate implies scum are content
VOTE: unvote

[Jim Hawkins]

Hokay, so....

Ah i thought andres was mason welp i retract lmao
nopoint u suck

This makes absolutely no sense. Even if Andres was a mason, what makes you think he would still support your fake claim? That would still be bad for town because you would be forcing a townsperson to lie to the rest of the town. If you were going to fake claim any PR, why pick one that is so easy to CC? There would never just be one mason in a game....that's just VT, lol.
Also, you were currently in no danger of getting lynched at the point of your hardclaim...it really makes no sense.

I think im valuable to town victory and i will get nightkilled at some point so u dont have to worry. If im around by lylo then heah thats def easy vote there.

Horrible argument. Right now no one cares if

you

think you are valuable. We want you to prove how you've already been valuable and why we should keep you.

I like Andresvmb's post 1147 and the thought and reasoning he puts into his scum hunting.

idk why everyone off the fucking wagon get a pass why do i need to be held to these ridiculous standards every fucking game im town

Because you kept leading Cook around trying to start different wagons when people started developing cases against him. I've already called you both out on it, but voted for Cook because his sheeping was scummier.

Honestly, it just got convoluted after that. Dk stopped making sense three pages into D2. I know they are V/LA, but considering Cook was buddying up to Dk almost all D1, and then they admitted to a fake PR claim HOURS into D2, and have since tried to stall/backtrack/distract everyone since then...
VOTE: DkKoba

[tris]

but considering Cook was buddying up to Dk almost all D1,

isn't this something scum does with town??

[Andresvmb]

Okay apologies - I really got carried away with a different game.

I believe at this stage, we need more content from the players that are not voting. I don’t know what people expect is going to happen if they don’t actually contribute.

[tris]

I hope you're alright flea

[bugspray]

I believe at this stage, we need more content from the players that are not voting. I don’t know what people expect is going to happen if they don’t actually contribute.

read their isos, find inconsistencies, ask them about it and elim them if they don't respond

[Flea The Magician]

NGL I flaked and haven't read back over D1 shenanigans. Anxiety is killing me rn and I keep regressing -.-; Thankfully I have lollies to keep the littles happy.

I am keen on the Koba vote at the moment for the hardclaim. Andres can move up the list. Push on Koba looks good.

Given scumplay options, if we have a protective they should be defending our IC at this point.

Spoiler: Leeeead me down to the seeea. To where the sirens call and the waves are raging freeee

idk why everyone off the fucking wagon get a pass why do i need to be held to these ridiculous standards every fucking game im town

Because it says a lot about your town game.
You are a powerful player, lets face it.

i think bugspray is scum here.

Why?

ugh

i have a big headache and im no good at casing when im considered a "guaranteed" elim for the day.

i dont like that i cant do proper in thread interactions where i know ppl might feel pressured.

Wouldn't call you guaranteed. Definitely an option, but not a guarentee.

Facebones is always town.

Esooa slot is always town.

Nopoint is cleared.

Andres is prob town but im concerned with how hes approaching me rn cuz if u actually look at my d1 im pretty confidently spewed town by how cook interacts with me but i guess thags just my pov that its obvious.

facebones could be scum if bugspray flips scum here imo btw ^^ just in case for the future.

dont like the angleshoot at all but bugspray would do it which is lowkey grimy and i dont like it.

I get the impression you've flipped your reads list here?

oh, i forgot to mention this earlier. the fact that cook wouldn't vote for facebones even after my prompting even though he was his only expressed scumread at the time that wasn't just sheeping someone could be a scum indication.

I don't think they're THAT inexperienced, as much as I hate newbtells though you could be right. I should look at the twos interactions.

[...]
Now today, DK declares themself "obvtown" even though multiple people yesterday said they were suspicious of DK to some degree. On top of that, they tried to roleswap with Andre, who put them null in his readslist. How does one assume they are obvtown in this circumstance? Also, they seemed bewildered when I said that they are the most likely partner to Cook, even though the association between dk and cook is pretty clear, whether you read dk scum or town.
[...]

This is standard Koba tbf.

Not sure what dk is up to over there but it's weirding me out

VOTE: dk

VOTE: Cook
E-1

And this is why RLotus is in my lim pool, the slots been awfully null and missing.

[snip]

This... this is off. Like super off.
Potential TMI Koba Town, admitting of flaws but zero efforting to cover them, seems half arsed, honestly.

The fight at the beginning, then the drunken shenanigans, now the fake claim...
It seems like Dk is trying their best to be controversial this game.
I don't think Dk would be wanting to draw this much attention to themself if they were scum?

Granted I know nothing about their gameplay/meta.

It's NAI. Koba is chaos and I love them for it.

I guess the question I’m asking myself right now is: are the Scum more likely to have voted away from Cook (and onto Jim/Me), or did they stay away altogether? Or was Cook bussed? I’m assuming 3 Scum in this game, and I have to think that it’s more likely than not that at least 1 stayed away and/or didn’t bus the 2-Shot Roleblocker in the Team, which is somewhat powerful. Like clearly the Scum have an incentive here not to want to have Cook executed. If Cook had flipped Goon, that’s a different story. So that’s what my instincts are telling me right.

This is why Koba and Egix immediately rise in rankings of potential Scum for me, since Koba was on both Jim and I, and Egix had a bad vote on Lotus around the Jim/Cook votes. I downgraded Tris when looking back because Tris also has a vote where she puts Jim over Cook to move them away from a tie (485). But the big positive for Tris there is that when Cook votes me to put me in a precarious position, Tris moves from me onto Cook. That was an important vote. So I would imagine Tris is potentially okay, but wrong about Egix (despite sitting on nopoint at the end of the day). So yeah, I think Egix voting for me after voting Lotus (and calling Cook too Scummy to be Scum in 491), and staying on me and having a clearly faulty POE make me not want to trust the slot. Frankly, Egix’s votes D1 are a collection of bad. I don’t know that Town goes

that wrong

here, but I could be wrong. And the “re-evaluation” after Cook is guaranteed to flip just reads to me like Scum that doesn’t want to eat an execution for a completely wrong view of the game.

The reasons for geraintm I think are somewhat obvious from my POV now that they’ve come into today voting me. But I don’t want to get tunneled into geraintm and ignore some of the other warning signs.

This is what I'm talking about. Cook's wagon sure had resistance somewhere and if you look closely, both times it was DkKoba with his flash wagon shenanigans.

This post derails the Cook wagon by jumping onto an inactive slot Pollaris.

This post derails the Cook wagon again (after Andres and Zuko jumped on) by jumping onto me. Note that both attempts here have someone just voting for that slot. Dk must have sniffed out a good chance for a counter wagon.

This is partly what I was wanting to go and look at atually, yay?

your pov isn't lining up in my view, if that makes sense to you

I was thinking of this too and I fail to see any town perspective from what Koba has been doing. Now he's throwing shade at anyone who suspects him like a caged animal. Even as we speak, he hasn't shown that he's trying to solve the game but rather to preserve himself.

Standard Koba tbh

[Flea The Magician]

Aw feck I hoped that didn't post. Oh well.

[Flea The Magician]

Spoiler: ARE YOU READY? Are you ready for them to prove you wrong? ARE YOU READY? Are you ready to be turned into someone who cannot be prayed upon!

nopoint ur confbiasing urself rn and notice how the lim is being rushed.

if u actually wanted to let me speak my part u would unvote.

This however, isnt. This is bullshit of the highest order. Koba you KNOW you never have difficulty speaking and the activity overview agrees with me. You have more posts than 2nd and 3rd places combined.

And dk you do realize the people who you are calling scum (and conveniently is also pushing for you), I’ve called town in my first post of the day. If you’re not going to address my post then there’s 0 chance I will overturn my judgement on you. I think your strat right now is to scream as loud as possible in hopes that people will back off and derail a confirmed town read, and that is not a town perspective.

ok put urself in my shoes

u know ur a green PM


do you unironically think that there would be 0 ppl pushing on this slot rn that are scum?

Yup. Because town self-destructing is always a good thing.

im actually happy that u die tonight cuz ur head is way too far up ur ass rn to solve correctly considering u think game is so easy that i have to be the associative.

This is the thing I don't love about Koba, the personal attacks

im not helping with shit unless im taken off of e-2 btw.

AtE/Toys out of pram moment.

im not helping with shit unless im taken off of e-2 btw.

But you're not in threat and if there's a quickhammer then we've caught scum.

[snip]

uh nopoint do u think this is how someone interacts with a scumpartner cuz i think its like obv at least from my pov that cook was being very very careful around me and unvoted quickly cuz they were afraid of annoying me after i called them out abt the vote thing

Yes.

GOOD MORNING, MAFIASCUM! WE'VE GOT ANOTHER PRIZE BOUT BOILING ON MNTV – AND IT'S BETWEEN TWO CHAMPION FIGHTERS

IN THE RED CORNER, WE HAVE

Dk

Ko

b

a

!

AAAND IN THE BLUE CORNER, WE HAVE

ESOOA!

THIS ONE'S GONNA BE INTERESTING, LET'S SEE HOW IT GOES!

OUR REF, ANDRESVMB IS RUNNING OUT OF THE RING, AND *bell dings twice* THE FIGHT BEGINS!

Cook this is actually instigating a fight, I’m going to guess between Townies, and actually Scummy behavior. You have any comment on that?

Fight was being fought before I "instigated."

How do you know it's a T/T fight? Scummy. And in this case I don't think tu quoque applies, as scum must lie, so, therefore, their reasoning is incorrect.

VOTE: Andresvmb

Can we get a votecount?

again reminder that im spewed town ty ^^^^^^^^

Nope. At all. Given the flip it COULD be used to reason that's a TvS fight, and something else I want to look at agian.

VOTE: esooa

^^

this vote is egging on the 1v1 which is what cook was also doing

to lock it into me vs esooa for the day



bugspray played as scum where esooa/I got into a shitfight on d2 after i was not on scum wagon d1 cause i was convinced there was scum on the wagon and that the way she was approaching the PoE was scummy.

thus them instigating that further is hard to explain as town since last time they saw that it was TvT.


(also id like to note that bugspray has been posting elsewhere on site a little earlier and refused to post in this thread within this hour, idr when i just saw it)

Elitetelling is bullshit and you know it Koba. Post 217 is hardly locking for the day, look at who the final wagon was on.

Cook tmi-ed bugspray as town and was buddying up to him, what did you think of that

Agreed.

whatever convincing ppl was never my strong suit at the game i just point at scum and i push them until theyre unnerved/logically proven enough for others to see what im seeing

im trying my best to work with u nopoint but when u keep showing that ur mindset is to be confbiasing me as scum and ur other reads are as weak as 1 post things its hard to keep my composure and i just want to push on u but i cant cuz ur conftown and its annoying cuz i know ur reasoning is wrong wrt me.

You are a hyper defensive player, but I've seen you refute cases effectively and churn out solid yet compact cases before.

Spoiler: A lifetime ago, with frozen eyes they closed the door. Suddenly I realised what locks were for...

u realize like i hard pressed cook in the right places to make his play much more obviously scummy when he made his shitty reads list right?


like my MO as scum is to generally try to ignore stuff that my partners are doing that are scummy in order to not have an excuse to push on them.

You did also derail the wagons as previously pointed out.

I want to know what facebones/bugspray actually think.

Same.

I don't have much to add. I am basically waiting for everyone else to work out what they want to do with dkkoba, and if the concensus is pass then to look properly elsewhere

Why? why not look elsewhere anyway?

i don't think locknull is a thing and it's definitely not desirable to be locknull as any alignment

I know I am town. So I am happy right now if people put me in a box like that where I won't cause any trouble. I will just be happier to contribute more once people decide to move on from dkkoba or not

I do realise that my playtime isn't very helpful

You realise this isn't exactly a helpful position to take? Like this actively coasting.

this stalled gamestate implies scum are content
VOTE: unvote

This is actually a good point, however, most people have posted at this point except inactives like me.

Hokay, so....

Ah i thought andres was mason welp i retract lmao
nopoint u suck

This makes absolutely no sense. Even if Andres was a mason, what makes you think he would still support your fake claim? That would still be bad for town because you would be forcing a townsperson to lie to the rest of the town. If you were going to fake claim any PR, why pick one that is so easy to CC? There would never just be one mason in a game....that's just VT, lol.
Also, you were currently in no danger of getting lynched at the point of your hardclaim...it really makes no sense.

I think im valuable to town victory and i will get nightkilled at some point so u dont have to worry. If im around by lylo then heah thats def easy vote there.

Horrible argument. Right now no one cares if

you

think you are valuable. We want you to prove how you've already been valuable and why we should keep you.

I like Andresvmb's post 1147 and the thought and reasoning he puts into his scum hunting.

idk why everyone off the fucking wagon get a pass why do i need to be held to these ridiculous standards every fucking game im town

Because you kept leading Cook around trying to start different wagons when people started developing cases against him. I've already called you both out on it, but voted for Cook because his sheeping was scummier.

Honestly, it just got convoluted after that. Dk stopped making sense three pages into D2. I know they are V/LA, but considering Cook was buddying up to Dk almost all D1, and then they admitted to a fake PR claim HOURS into D2, and have since tried to stall/backtrack/distract everyone since then...
VOTE: DkKoba

This is a damn good take and verifyable.

I hope you're alright flea

Surviving ^_^;

So Koba is down to a 6 at this point, that mason claim was BAD and I can see more scum motivation than town for it. Koba's responses are typically koba and mostly NAI but there's a lot of good points against them.

Right now I want VOTE: Gerain to do much much more.

[geraintm]

@Flea - i'm not sure what you expect of me. you spent a huge long post that basically said "dkkoba did a scummy thing, but i'm basically going to give them the benefit of the doubt" which is what I did in two lines.
I could have written a huge long post like you, but frankly it would have been a waste of time and I covered it in my post 1231.
you also earlier called me out for being half arsed...in the same post you admitted you have flaked on the game.

so yeah. pot kettle cup of tea or something...

[Flea The Magician]

Because at the moment, Koba has acted rather badly, however, Im willing to go full 180 on what was a locktown read to a "yeh I want this gone" read.

I flaked on the game for a couple reasons, the biggest one being in the post which isn't half-arsing, that's protecting my system so my protectors don't have to come out and/or whup me.

My big ass post is me catching up on the game and showing I'm reading and what my thoughts are at the time.

Difference is I'm not scared to prod and poke stuff, while you're content to actively coast.

[Flea The Magician]

ebwop

Because at the moment, Koba has acted rather badly, however, Im not willing to go full 180 on what was a locktown read to a "yeh I want this gone" read.

I flaked on the game for a couple reasons, the biggest one being in the post which isn't half-arsing, that's protecting my system so my protectors don't have to come out and/or whup me.

My big ass post is me catching up on the game and showing I'm reading and what my thoughts are at the time.

Difference is I'm not scared to prod and poke stuff, while you're content to actively coast.

[Flea The Magician]

NGL I flaked and haven't read back over D1 shenanigans. Anxiety is killing me rn and I keep regressing -.-; Thankfully I have lollies to keep the littles happy.

which reminds me,

@Mod, V/LA over the weekend due to medical.

[geraintm]

, while you're content to actively coast.

yep, and I've explained this. do least harm if you cannot advance the game state, let those who can...do.
I know that eliminating me won't help town, so why raise my head over the parapet and get shot like say...dkkoba did. games would be much easier for town if no one lied and just did the boring things and let scum have to be weird and justify their awful actions.

[bugspray]

you cannot advance the game state, let those who can...do.

when will you be able to?

[Egix96]

I know that eliminating me won't help town, so why raise my head over the parapet and get shot like say...dkkoba did. games would be much easier for town if no one lied and just did the boring things and let scum have to be weird and justify their awful actions.

There's a part of me that sees this and thinks, "oof, caught for the wrong reasons much?"

Catching up...

[Egix96]

Flea, a 6 means slight town lean for you right? I find that surprising considering all that you said about Koba in your multiquotes.

[Flea The Magician]

Honestly, if I wasn't so strongly town reading them pre-flip then I'd have the slot at 2 or 3.

There's a few interactions I need to go look at properly, and Koba's being force replaced across site currently so we'll see what their replacement has to say.

[bugspray]

It was just something I found interesting. I'm sure we'll find out if it's relevant or not in due time.

is it due time yet?

[tris]

Flea, is your lowering of the koba townread just for today's events?