TM 2021 Large Normal: OEIS Mafia (Part Two Is Out)

[Albert B. Rampage]

I also run people up and look for reactions but also i understand that you need to set a bar and if the reaction fails you dont let go. Xtoxm cant clear the bar, hes either scum who hopes he can go too scummy to be scum or hes town that refuses to play, in team mafia. Either way rewarding that isnt correct.

I'm with you up to a certain point. Xtoxms behavior is isolated

[Hopkirk]

I haven't seen your scumgame before.

Links in my wiki and post history for more recent ones.

so what i'm saying
I voted you because hectic said how you react to wagons as scum.
I saw vaguely how you respond to pressure as town last game. you haven't really been pressured this game and are in a lot of the poes i've seen
what's your issue with my vote that i know isn't going to lead to a lethal in the context of your other reads?

[Albert B. Rampage]

This game is like a pack of hyenas trying to jam a lynch through without critical thinking and we are lucky we haven't mislynched.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I haven't seen your scumgame before.

Links in my wiki and post history for more recent ones.

so what i'm saying
I voted you because hectic said how you react to wagons as scum.
I saw vaguely how you respond to pressure as town last game. you haven't really been pressured this game and are in a lot of the poes i've seen
what's your issue with my vote that i know isn't going to lead to a lethal in the context of your other reads?

OK. If you're not making it up then what did Hectic think I would do if pushed as scum?

[OkaPoka]

Going to be impossible to beat ythan with a cattleprod if we let go of xtoxm

[Hopkirk]

flail basically. ABR is quieter than he used to be. if he's scum he's likely to effortpost more if he gets wagoned. hard to sort before then.

roughly the sentiment

[hercule]

Going to be impossible to beat ythan with a cattleprod if we let go of xtoxm

wdym by this?

[Dannflor]

let's say we run up ythan

or winter flakes or literally anyone else that is ABR approved

what's to stop them doing the exact same thing xtoxm is doing now and oh well I guess they must be town time to go wagon everyone else for 8 days

[Hopkirk]

what i don't understand is that you've said i play 'like you' defined that as 'wagon people to see how they react' then seem surprised i was happy to wagon you (while you were in my poe).
why didn't you have an issue with me while you were in my poe? why only now

(@abr)

[Albert B. Rampage]

let's say we run up ythan

or winter flakes or literally anyone else that is ABR approved

what's to stop them doing the exact same thing xtoxm is doing now and oh well I guess they must be town time to go wagon everyone else for 8 days

Xtoxm behavior is isolated. People came to compete and play not to be fucking lurker in Team Mafia, whats the glory in dragging everybody down or winning that way?

flail basically. ABR is quieter than he used to be. if he's scum he's likely to effortpost more if he gets wagoned. hard to sort before then.

roughly the sentiment

Ok your vote makes more sense then.

[OkaPoka]

let's say we run up ythan

or winter flakes or literally anyone else that is ABR approved

what's to stop them doing the exact same thing xtoxm is doing now and oh well I guess they must be town time to go wagon everyone else for 8 days

not only this but if we drop xtoxm and i go around trying to build a wagon on ythan because ythan isn't really playing the game, everyone will be like well xtoxm is playing it less why we are moving? I'll have to respond either with some bullshit or the truth, pressure ythan and hope that he plays.

if ythan is scum or even town, understandably he is not actually under any pressure because at the end of the day he can ignore us and realize the wagon will collapse and we will regroup on xtoxm.

pressure can't exist for the sake of pressure, there must be a realistic chance that they can die. its why so often people misread scum for not flinching under pressure from early day wagons, because scum know that town are too scared to end days early and will dissolve for new things.

[Albert B. Rampage]

what i don't understand is that you've said i play 'like you' defined that as 'wagon people to see how they react' then seem surprised i was happy to wagon you (while you were in my poe).
why didn't you have an issue with me while you were in my poe? why only now

(@abr)

I gave my gut reaction, but you are correct obviously. Doesn't take out the sting of the feeling of a backstab.

[Albert B. Rampage]

let's say we run up ythan

or winter flakes or literally anyone else that is ABR approved

what's to stop them doing the exact same thing xtoxm is doing now and oh well I guess they must be town time to go wagon everyone else for 8 days

not only this but if we drop xtoxm and i go around trying to build a wagon on ythan because ythan isn't really playing the game, everyone will be like well xtoxm is playing it less why we are moving? I'll have to respond either with some bullshit or the truth, pressure ythan and hope that he plays.

if ythan is scum or even town, understandably he is not actually under any pressure because at the end of the day he can ignore us and realize the wagon will collapse and we will regroup on xtoxm.

pressure can't exist for the sake of pressure, there must be a realistic chance that they can die. its why so often people misread scum for not flinching under pressure from early day wagons, because scum know that town are too scared to end days early and will dissolve for new things.

Pressure always exists for the sake of pressure, this is mafia, human behavior is unpredictable and the chance of it going through always exists.

[hercule]

let's say we run up ythan

or winter flakes or literally anyone else that is ABR approved

what's to stop them doing the exact same thing xtoxm is doing now and oh well I guess they must be town time to go wagon everyone else for 8 days

not only this but if we drop xtoxm and i go around trying to build a wagon on ythan because ythan isn't really playing the game, everyone will be like well xtoxm is playing it less why we are moving? I'll have to respond either with some bullshit or the truth, pressure ythan and hope that he plays.

if ythan is scum or even town, understandably he is not actually under any pressure because at the end of the day he can ignore us and realize the wagon will collapse and we will regroup on xtoxm.

pressure can't exist for the sake of pressure, there must be a realistic chance that they can die. its why so often people misread scum for not flinching under pressure from early day wagons, because scum know that town are too scared to end days early and will dissolve for new things.

sure, that's fair. I just like competing wagons and wanted to prod ABR to see if he's willing to take action or if he's all talk. And I would yeet either of Ythan or Xtoxm if I was granted a instantaneous mandatory dayvig so it's playing with house money

[Albert B. Rampage]

There must be debate. You can't just have me nominating someone and then 8 votes come swinging like you've done the past 3 wagons. The point is in the taking sides, if we all agree then either the entire scum team is bussing or they are laughing at us for both voting wrong and also keeping their hands completely clean effortlessly.

[OkaPoka]

let's say we run up ythan

or winter flakes or literally anyone else that is ABR approved

what's to stop them doing the exact same thing xtoxm is doing now and oh well I guess they must be town time to go wagon everyone else for 8 days

not only this but if we drop xtoxm and i go around trying to build a wagon on ythan because ythan isn't really playing the game, everyone will be like well xtoxm is playing it less why we are moving? I'll have to respond either with some bullshit or the truth, pressure ythan and hope that he plays.

if ythan is scum or even town, understandably he is not actually under any pressure because at the end of the day he can ignore us and realize the wagon will collapse and we will regroup on xtoxm.

pressure can't exist for the sake of pressure, there must be a realistic chance that they can die. its why so often people misread scum for not flinching under pressure from early day wagons, because scum know that town are too scared to end days early and will dissolve for new things.

Pressure always exists for the sake of pressure, this is mafia, human behavior is unpredictable and the chance of it going through always exists.

disagree and you should to

I've rolled scum at times and had wagons build on me and I could play it cool because I knew they weren't actually going to kill me. And then I got townread for it. I've "bussed" teammates in situations that would've lost me the game and gotten townread for it, because I knew it wouldn't follow through. Pressure is not pressure unless you are willing to pull the trigger. I think xtoxm is gambling on us dissolving on him with how he is playing this one out

[hercule]

There must be debate. You can't just have me nominating someone and then 8 votes come swinging like you've done the past 3 wagons. The point is in the taking sides, if we all agree then either the entire scum team is bussing or they are laughing at us for both voting wrong and also keeping their hands completely clean effortlessly.

ok, what do you want to debate?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I've rolled scum at times and had wagons build on me and I could play it cool because I knew they weren't actually going to kill me. And then I got townread for it. I've "bussed" teammates in situations that would've lost me the game and gotten townread for it, because I knew it wouldn't follow through. Pressure is not pressure unless you are willing to pull the trigger. I think xtoxm is gambling on us dissolving on him with how he is playing this one out

You might be right on that. I've never seen anything spectacular from xtoxm either way.

[Albert B. Rampage]

ok, what do you want to debate?

You're not going to be able to lynch me buddy. I will eat your soul.

[hercule]

ok, what do you want to debate?

You're not going to be able to lynch me buddy. I will eat your soul.

I'm fucking trying to have a dialogue with you here

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: Ythan

Reason: he's voting AGar and dropping in to make trivia comments in the middle of this shitstorm.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm fucking trying to have a dialogue with you here

You jumped on my bandwagon the first chance you saw, don't play games

[OkaPoka]

I'd be willing to put pressure on ythan if not for the fact that I've already undermined my ability to put pressure on ythan while xtoxm is alive.

[DrippingGoofball]

AGAR WAS INSTANTLY AT L-2 AND HE WAS TOWN
XTOXM AT L-1
ME AT 8 VOTES

How would you know 2 of these are town? The rest of us don't know your alignment.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'd be willing to put pressure on ythan if not for the fact that I've already undermined my ability to put pressure on ythan while xtoxm is alive.

Good.