This is 99.9999999999% scum. When I pissed them off as a mason they didn’t do this. They gave a read wall of a billion words I don’t frankly remember most of of how I had to be scum because I scumread them for attacking me and my mason buddy.In post 3087, Guillotina wrote:Bell if this a gambit and you made me claim my role you just threw the game!!! Im a dead guy!
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In post 3094, Bell wrote:ngl, I can see myself fucking up here @Dunnstral.
I thought I was being fairly through, but, nope. There's still more to learn.
Behaviorally, there are some warning flags here. Which compensates some, but I could still see there just being some confusion and me not looking for the right information.
Anyway, good night. Sorry for agitating you guilotina.
....Investigations come after that in NAR Bell.In post 3095, Bell wrote:
It means if you're blocked that ability takes precedence over your own action and so you do nothing and go nowhere pretty much.In post 3093, Guillotina wrote:So? what does that mean?
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It’s crap spewed to try to stay alive Dunn. Why are you assuming they are telling the truth?In post 3100, Dunnstral wrote:
There's potential for Guillotina to be misunderstand what happened to themIn post 3094, Bell wrote:ngl, I can see myself fucking up here @Dunnstral.
I thought I was being fairly through, but, nope. There's still more to learn.
Behaviorally, there are some warning flags here. Which compensates some, but I could still see there just being some confusion and me not looking for the right information.
Anyway, good night. Sorry for agitating you guilotina.
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maybe, but at the start of day Bell was the obvious elim choice, so I can see them trying something like that to buy an extra day. only really works if they can guarantee a mislim though...which is where the guilty on Guillotina comes in.In post 3120, MathBlade wrote:
It’s either this or Bell is lying (0.000002%) chance of that. Pretty much just locking Bell town here because I don’t think poison is ever fake claimed.In post 3031, Bell wrote:Agree, but I guess it's a one shot because nobody else claimed they were poisoned earlier.
I think Guillotina is more likely based on their reaction and I think that has to be the play, but Bell-scum works here too.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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Don’t think I didn’t notice those who didn’t answer or were smart asses. I plan on sitting down late tonight with a bowl of ice cream and reading this game but I don’t believe in obvTown til I see it for myself. Then again it does seem that there was a Titus Mastina battle fight something in the VCs/events. Worth looking into.In post 3102, superbowl9 wrote:
The whole thread pleaseIn post 3022, MathBlade wrote:Hey everyone! Haven’t had a chance to read yet but wanted a challenge to not hyperpost so much.
So I can get into the game quickly I would love it if everyone could point out 1-3 things they feel I should look at and “the thread” or “all of it” or “the vote counts” are not acceptable answers. I want something you think is alignment indicative. Going to skim VCAs ask questions for a bit but it’s getting late here and may not be on much longer.
I get tunneled early in literally every game until I obvtown by D2. I was V/LA almost the entire time they tunneled me tooIn post 3023, MathBlade wrote:Dunnstral you were on Battle Mage for a while then not since: What changed?
Battle Mage and Firebringer according to the vote history (assuming it’s based in order) you moved your vote off then back on Oil Tycoons why?
Bell and Guillotina you seem to have a vote not present and not voting during my skim. Did you notice? G in the 639 votecount and bell in 2504.
Superbowl9 mastina’s vote was on you. Why?
KookieMonster Why are you still alive? The Johnny head is a top tier scum hunter iirc. Why are you not dead?
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just to be clear that was in reference to 3125, not any of your posts on the preceding page, which i have now read.In post 3126, Battle Mage wrote:i agree mathShow2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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Will definitely see about viability of this in my read tonight.In post 3106, superbowl9 wrote:So Flavor and I were right with our solve then - Oil/Flea/GuilloScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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to save you a bit of time, this already can't be right as Oil flipped 3p (unless you believe like superbowl there is a faction of 3ps)In post 3132, MathBlade wrote:
Will definitely see about viability of this in my read tonight.In post 3106, superbowl9 wrote:So Flavor and I were right with our solve then - Oil/Flea/GuilloShow2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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*nods* no reason to elim a likely dead guy and if he’s not dead then he is tomorrow.In post 3107, Battle Mage wrote:ok so initial thoughts.
Looks like Flea is scum, and possibly responsible for Finral leaving the game.
If Flea is scum, suggests Bell is also scum for fakeclaiming an inno on them (which would make sense, to stall for time if Flea had a powerful scum PR)
Hate the claim shenanigans today. If Bell is dying at end of dayphase, why so apologetic over the guilty on Guillotina? but i guess it fits with the tone in this game.
But moreso, looks like TMI from Guillotina - quickly jumped from "Bell is lying" to being mad they are bad town. Also I wasn't really sold on the claim.
Hey Bell, when are you supposed to die? Will it be proven before we pick an elim?
Separately, I have zero interest in 3p spec today.
I guess sensible play is to elim Guillotina today, and if Bell doesn't die today, insta-elim them tomorrow regardless of the Guillo-flip.
I like this plan. The apologetic may just be Bell’s nature. I don’t think I have seen him as a PR.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I think there will be time for flips/associations once we see how the rest of this day goes and once I have read. Making a note to check this out too when I read.In post 3109, Battle Mage wrote:Guillotina-scum, definitely makes me think Dunnstral-scum tooScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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This is not 100% always true.In post 3110, Dunnstral wrote:In post 3106, superbowl9 wrote:So Flavor and I were right with our solve then - Oil/Flea/Guillo
Also no, flea isn't scum because they're not in a pt.In post 3107, Battle Mage wrote:Looks like Flea is scum, and possibly responsible for Finral leaving the game.
There could be A) Traitor
Or B) Messaging system. (I have been scum in a game where scum didn’t have a PT it was designed to act like a god father)
It’s most likely probably around 80% Flea is not scum but I wouldn’t put it at 100.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I think mass claiming shouldn’t be done on a day where there is an obvious elim. That just tells scum who to kill.In post 3113, Dunnstral wrote:In post 3033, Bell wrote:Since it was a 1 shot ability I feel pretty comfortable sharing that my ability was one that checked for the presence of a neighborhood.
Neither tested positive it could only be done during the elimination phase on two players.
I figured it was a good idea to check because I wasn't sure how that was going to go.
Should we be mass claiming?
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This problem takes care of itself.In post 3117, Battle Mage wrote:nope, Bell and Guillo could both be scum here
Either A) Bell dies at the end of the day and flips their alignment
Or B) Bell doesn’t die and therefore has scumclaimed and we elim Bell.
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It does take care of itself but I am damn sure taking the credit if it's right (as like the only person scumreading Bell)In post 3138, MathBlade wrote:
This problem takes care of itself.In post 3117, Battle Mage wrote:nope, Bell and Guillo could both be scum here
Either A) Bell dies at the end of the day and flips their alignment
Or B) Bell doesn’t die and therefore has scumclaimed and we elim Bell.
So Bell scum is literally not a world I am considering.
So I think what you mean is, Bell might be scum, but it doesn't factor into a decision today?Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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Mathblade in the house! It didn't take long...In post 3136, MathBlade wrote:
There could be A) TraitorIn post 3110, Dunnstral wrote:In post 3106, superbowl9 wrote:So Flavor and I were right with our solve then - Oil/Flea/Guillo
Also no, flea isn't scum because they're not in a pt.In post 3107, Battle Mage wrote:Looks like Flea is scum, and possibly responsible for Finral leaving the game.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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This really doesn’t work though.In post 3129, Battle Mage wrote:
maybe, but at the start of day Bell was the obvious elim choice, so I can see them trying something like that to buy an extra day. only really works if they can guarantee a mislim though...which is where the guilty on Guillotina comes in.In post 3120, MathBlade wrote:
It’s either this or Bell is lying (0.000002%) chance of that. Pretty much just locking Bell town here because I don’t think poison is ever fake claimed.In post 3031, Bell wrote:Agree, but I guess it's a one shot because nobody else claimed they were poisoned earlier.
I think Guillotina is more likely based on their reaction and I think that has to be the play, but Bell-scum works here too.
Assume your theory is true and Bell is scum and that he was the obvious elim. Assume G is town. Bell succeeds in miselimming G. He then is back on the chopping block for the same reasons and not dying. So Bell would have gained nothing as he’s still miselimmed and maybe if there are more scum spewing a buddy or two.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I can see that logicIn post 3141, MathBlade wrote:
This really doesn’t work though.In post 3129, Battle Mage wrote:
maybe, but at the start of day Bell was the obvious elim choice, so I can see them trying something like that to buy an extra day. only really works if they can guarantee a mislim though...which is where the guilty on Guillotina comes in.In post 3120, MathBlade wrote:
It’s either this or Bell is lying (0.000002%) chance of that. Pretty much just locking Bell town here because I don’t think poison is ever fake claimed.In post 3031, Bell wrote:Agree, but I guess it's a one shot because nobody else claimed they were poisoned earlier.
I think Guillotina is more likely based on their reaction and I think that has to be the play, but Bell-scum works here too.
Assume your theory is true and Bell is scum and that he was the obvious elim. Assume G is town. Bell succeeds in miselimming G. He then is back on the chopping block for the same reasons and not dying. So Bell would have gained nothing as he’s still miselimmed and maybe if there are more scum spewing a buddy or two.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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Correct. It’s best to focus on problems that don’t resolve themselves in weird mechanics heavy setups like this.In post 3139, Battle Mage wrote:
It does take care of itself but I am damn sure taking the credit if it's right (as like the only person scumreading Bell)In post 3138, MathBlade wrote:
This problem takes care of itself.In post 3117, Battle Mage wrote:nope, Bell and Guillo could both be scum here
Either A) Bell dies at the end of the day and flips their alignment
Or B) Bell doesn’t die and therefore has scumclaimed and we elim Bell.
So Bell scum is literally not a world I am considering.
So I think what you mean is, Bell might be scum, but it doesn't factor into a decision today?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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VOTE: SuperbowlIn post 3106, superbowl9 wrote:So Flavor and I were right with our solve then - Oil/Flea/Guillo
Nice try. Now that im pretty much an IC and my slot will self resolve at night, i can open town.
Bell says Flea is town and I believe Bell, why don't you? What makes you think that there could be two survivor 3ps? If this is what you think, how many scum players do you think there are then? Consider this is a 13 player set up. Why would Flea take Flavor with them?
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TMI? How? I didnt jump from point A to point B, i am mad because Bell's claim made me out my role and if flea is telling the truth that they had doctor powers, im now dead. I legit initially thought he was lying because i assumed i was roleblocked.In post 3107, Battle Mage wrote:ok so initial thoughts.
Looks like Flea is scum, and possibly responsible for Finral leaving the game.
If Flea is scum, suggests Bell is also scum for fakeclaiming an inno on them (which would make sense, to stall for time if Flea had a powerful scum PR)
Hate the claim shenanigans today. If Bell is dying at end of dayphase, why so apologetic over the guilty on Guillotina? but i guess it fits with the tone in this game.
But moreso, looks like TMI from Guillotina - quickly jumped from "Bell is lying" to being mad they are bad town. Also I wasn't really sold on the claim.
Hey Bell, when are you supposed to die? Will it be proven before we pick an elim?
Separately, I have zero interest in 3p spec today.
I guess sensible play is to elim Guillotina today, and if Bell doesn't die today, insta-elim them tomorrow regardless of the Guillo-flip.
Im pissed off because in a way he was selfish, he is gonna die so he might as well take one with him, which i would get totally behind that logic if the target was scum, but im not!
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Nah this is just town bell, and guillotina is caught scumIn post 3129, Battle Mage wrote:
maybe, but at the start of day Bell was the obvious elim choice, so I can see them trying something like that to buy an extra day. only really works if they can guarantee a mislim though...which is where the guilty on Guillotina comes in.In post 3120, MathBlade wrote:
It’s either this or Bell is lying (0.000002%) chance of that. Pretty much just locking Bell town here because I don’t think poison is ever fake claimed.In post 3031, Bell wrote:Agree, but I guess it's a one shot because nobody else claimed they were poisoned earlier.
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Lol G knows he is caught here. Already trying to paint me as irrational to get out of this.In post 3146, Guillotina wrote:Omg why do i get to play with all the irrational tunnelers in this game. First kookies and Nero now Math. Agh! I gotta get ready for work but i can see a big thunderdome with this guy coming.
Btw G voting was an even stronger scum claim because we don’t know where elo is.
Therefore G probably flips scum and will end up likely awaiting quick hammer from scum for his nom.
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