Mini 2186: Pokemon Battles [GAME OVER]

[Smoke and Mirrors]

VOTE: JJ

I think I believe Titus's claim. I still think it's weird she happens to have a battle refusal ability but she claimed the commute. Not refusing my battle. So I don't see why she would raise red flags on purpose as scum.

I don’t know she’s usually not this hard to read. I don’t know. I just think the twins have been really townie.

VOTE: jjh

I hope this is right.

[Raya36]

That could be why but still not an excuse. I'll be more careful, sorry about that.

[Raya36]

I'm thinking it's probably just JJ now but if we're wrong we can afford a miselim and try again the next day

[Infinity Zero]

Who should I nuzzle tonight? I want to hit someone who we won't lim tomorrow (to give us an extra chance to block a kill) but who is in the limpool

I literally have no idea who scum is

-Inf

[Smoke and Mirrors]

I'm thinking it's probably just JJ now but if we're wrong we can afford a miselim and try again the next day

It definitely concerned me that he sr the twins for the reasons he did. The twins’ defence of Titus - that kind of passionate response - never comes from scum - so I’m trusting them because jjh shouldn’t have them anywhere near his PoE.

[Raya36]

Who should I nuzzle tonight? I want to hit someone who we won't lim tomorrow (to give us an extra chance to block a kill) but who is in the limpool

I literally have no idea who scum is

-Inf

Is paralyze essentially a roleblock or does it only affect their battle?
If we elim JJ then Titus isn't a good target because she can just commute, if we elim Titus then you should target JJ I think.

[Infinity Zero]

It's a roleblock.

-Inf

[wellermanbob]

whats vc?

[Raya36]

Technically if we wanted to you could target Titus which would roleblock the commute/battle refusal? Then I target Titus to battle and if I win then we get JJ and Titus both by the next day.

I'm not sure which of commute and roleblock is priority though

[Smoke and Mirrors]

whats vc?

vote count

[Smoke and Mirrors]

Technically if we wanted to you could target Titus which would roleblock the commute/battle refusal? Then I target Titus to battle and if I win then we get JJ and Titus both by the next day.

I'm not sure which of commute and roleblock is priority though

I like this and if game still doesn’t end we elim catboi but it probably does with jjh/Titus.

[Infinity Zero]

Per NAR, commuting comes before roleblocking.

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

Though it's not technically a roleblock.

@Mod: Could paralysis stop a theoretical commuting ability that could be in the game?

-Inf

[jjh927]

I'm okay with you guys voting me if you're willing to follow through on my mechanical plan

[jjh927]

Specifically, Catboi should growl at Titus who should commute
Vote twins off tomorrow if there is a kill and Catboi verifies that Titus commuted through the lack of PT

[jjh927]

otherwise I'm just gonna sit in the dead thread calling you all fools

[jjh927]

Catboi is capable of resolving Titus alone

[jjh927]

Also Raya, Titus' battle refusal is A MOVE
it is not a refusal of battle, it is effectively fleeing before anything is rolled

[jjh927]

Believing Titus' claim has never had anything to do with whether or not she is scum fwiw

But if you do believe it then optimal play is to have catboi growl at her while she commutes

Scenario 1: Scum!Titus commutes. No kill occurs.
Scenario 2: Scum!Titus does not commute. A kill on anyone other than Catboi occurs. Catboi now has a PT with Titus, verifying that Titus did not commute.
Scanerio 3. Scum!Titus does not commute. A kill on Catboi occurs. Titus dies as well.
Scenario 4. Town!Titus commutes. No kill occurs. In this scenario, scum are no-killing to pretend it was Titus!Scum. This does not help scum win, as you can continue to vote off people who aren't close to conftown by combination of role/play.
Scenario 5. Town!Titus commutes. Kill occurs. Titus is now clear.

There are no other scenarios given the assumptions that:
Catboi and Titus have both told the truth about their roles
Catboi and Titus both agree to do the things

[Mistyx]

Specifically, Catboi should growl at Titus who should commute
Vote twins off tomorrow if there is a kill and Catboi verifies that Titus commuted through the lack of PT

if we replace twins with "whoever we decide on who isn't catboi/titus"

i am some degree of okay with this

[jjh927]

Yes but you should decide on Twins

[jjh927]

If you decide on someone who isn't Twins and you're wrong then I don't care if I am also wrong, I will still judge you harshly for it

[Raya36]

Also Raya, Titus' battle refusal is A MOVE
it is not a refusal of battle, it is effectively fleeing before anything is rolled

I see, so it's passive

[Infinity Zero]

Me nuzzling someone could complicate the no kill scenarios but that sounds like a plan.

-Inf

[jjh927]

Mistyx - All other things aside, Misty is town based on pushes by Vax and Chara, but Misty has been town for other reasons for most of the game
Titus - Either the last scum or town that has been wrong about pretty much everything in the game
Wellermanbob - Vig claim probably makes town tbh. There are 3 scum; giving scum what is functionally an N4 vig in a game that has not appeared to have a lot of town power floating around would be questionable, so pending verification of the vig bob is town.
Catboi - That is a very town roleclaim which I believe fully. Catboi not realising how this could be used aggressively is +town as scum would be using this very aggressively.
Raya36 - I no longer have a confident read on Raya
Smoke and Mirrors - Probably town for a few things, but not 100%.
Jjh927 - You'll see shortly at this rate
Infinity Zero - Very much leaning town
Twins Akari and Mara - The scum if it's not Titus