Open 804: Popcorn Mafia Redux [Game Over!]

[WhemeStar]

Hi Wheme!

Any reads?

[Imperium]

Hi Wheme!

Any reads?

I am town

[Duchess]

Norfolk's posting just seemed excessively LAMIST to me

Really? I think saying that you don't want the gun is scummy as opposed to towny, on the surface.

Whemstar who is asking to be shot is LAMIST in my mind.

To me Norfolk looks like he is overcompensating for something he did that he knows looks scummy on the surface, so I agree with both of you if that makes any sense. I also agree that Whemestar's eager attitude looks like an act to me.

[Duchess]

Spoiler: Quoted Content

The concern with voting in this setup is that the town has very little agency to begin with. Only one person has /any/ power, and we know they are town, so we should trust them to have town's back. Now, leashing shots to votes sounds great in theory. After all, it just puts us roughly at "ordinary mafia game", with a final adjudicator. In practice, however, it gives the scum team agency they shouldn't have, and takes away one major town-sided element the gunbearer gives us.

The exclusive advantage that the town has in a setup like this over an ordinary Mafia game is that it avoids the ironclad law of committees being absolute hot fucking garbage at actually performing tasks well. (This law is so ironclad that it's a major component of managerial level sabotage: you load important committees with more than IIRC 8 people, and ensure that at least one of them is dead weight, and nothing will ever get done, ever ever ever.)

Instead of /everyone/ simultaneously trying to herd cats in totally different directions oh and by the way some of the cats have rabies, you have a single point of control. No need to get everyone on the same page at all -- in fact, depending on the gunbearer, having literally no agreement could be a net benefit for sorting. (Just by way of example, I would be quite effective in a situation where every single player in the list was arguing with every single other player here.) No Abilene paradox scenarios come up here, because the gunbearer has no incentive to compromise to try and make the other players happy: if they miss their shot they're out, and if they hit then clearly they were right and it's hard to complain. They can use the rest of the town as essentially independent investigators to help them make their decisions, but they are not required to do what everyone else wants them to do.

I think we should lean into the advantage we have of a single guaranteed pro-town controller of the gamestate, even if it means the normal townies have less agency and control. In the process, we deny scum a large part (obviously not /all/, but I think /any/ advantage is important) of the only agency that they have in the setup while a gunbearer is alive: misdirecting the shot.

I don't think we should use a voting system.

I agree, which is why I think we should avoid overthinking and just let the gunbearer have final say and read the room based on what people naturally choose to do. I believe people will most likely use their vote almost as per the usual, as long as the host is keeping track of people's votes. However, if we dwell for too long on it, or have too many detailed posts like yours, Mushshagana, (no offense) then the mafia will have more of an idea of what to do, just as you said.

[Duchess]

Duchess town

Why do you townread #28? I am getting scum vibes from it.

Is there anything else beside just a bad vibe? Is there another way you can describe what you are seeing?

[WhemeStar]

Duchess town

Why do you townread #28? I am getting scum vibes from it.

Is there anything else beside just a bad vibe? Is there another way you can describe what you are seeing?

It looked like a lot of trying to do something but it was just fluff. Im bad at explaining things sorry.

[WhemeStar]

Like you tried to get towncred by saying "why arent we doing RVS town needs to do RVS to generate discussion" when we have been doing fine so far without RVS/I don't believe this game even needs a RVS.

[Netflix and Chill]

Hello, Zuko here!

Please proceed like a normal day one. I am just an innocent child.

[Imperium]

Hello, Zuko here!

Please proceed like a normal day one. I am just an innocent child.

How much ass kissing should I do before it starts to be suspicious?

[Albert B. Rampage]

My strategy is to get shot, take the gun, and win a perfect game killing every scum, with the godfather last.

[WhemeStar]

My strategy is to get shot, take the gun, and win a perfect game killing every scum, with the godfather last.

I already called dibs on that get a new strategy

[Imperium]

My strategy is to get shot, take the gun, and win a perfect game killing every scum, with the godfather last.

Okay so how suspicious should I be so that you mishoot and give the gun to me so that we actually have a chance for that to happen :p

[Netflix and Chill]

Or we can just end it with one gunbearer

I believe the record is two scum killed by one person?

[Duchess]

Duchess town

Why do you townread #28? I am getting scum vibes from it.

Is there anything else beside just a bad vibe? Is there another way you can describe what you are seeing?

It looked like a lot of trying to do something but it was just fluff. Im bad at explaining things sorry.

Well the plan I'm proposing is essentially to...not have a plan. I get why you are seeing that as fluff but I disagree that my posts have not been full of substance.

[Imperium]

Or we can just end it with one gunbearer

I believe the record is two scum killed by one person?

I think nacho and syrana as oil tycoons had more than that?

Not completely sure though.

[WhemeStar]

Shoot dunnstral

[Netflix and Chill]

They shot two but the last was scum malamaramollie iirc

[Duchess]

Imperium. Do you have any reads or thoughts on any posts so far?

[Imperium]

nope.

[Imperium]

I do have a super special secret read though!

Spoiler:

Netflix and Chill are town.

[Imperium]

They shot two but the last was scum malamaramollie iirc

I just looked; they shot three.

[Netflix and Chill]

Heard.

I’m going to break the record.

[Imperium]

Good luck!

[WhemeStar]

Heard.

I’m going to break the record.

Start with me.

[Imperium]

Hello, Zuko here!

Please proceed like a normal day one. I am just an innocent child.

I don't know why I read this as zabka and thought it was a cobra kai reference.

Are you THE prince Zuko?