Open 804: Popcorn Mafia Redux [Game Over!]

[WhemeStar]

Well, I missed a lot while getting food together.



For Duchess: detailed posts are going to come out of me on good days, and that's just how it is. I type walls. I speak walls, too. It's a thing, and it's only going to change on real bad days. I have a bunch of those coming, so you might consider yourself lucky.

As for giving scum information: don't be concerned about that from me. I play a very subtle town game, and I often do multiple things with a single post. If I'm giving scum information it's because I have decided it is for town's benefit in some way or another. There's a whole lot of ways that can be the case, if you think about it I'm sure you can come up with a few. Past games of mine will bear this statement out.



I don't really like anything I'm seeing of Wheme so far. So, Wheme, I have a question for you. What /are/ you bringing to the table here? So far we have bad reads but wants the gun, casting entirely baseless shade on one of the few players posting anything substantive (no offense intended to the players who have not posted anything substantive, game basically just started), and shitposting. What do you have that town benefits from? Don't dodge the question or meme about it, I want an honest self-assessment. What are you actually doing in this game to help town out?

This post pings me but not in the OMGUS type of way.

[Imperium]

Lol okay

[Imperium]

Oh I was laughing at cakes

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Norfolk Boy1

My scumreads are norfolk and Imperium

Norfolk had strange/lamisty posts

Imperium is playing different from when they were town/they have a lot of filler and it makes me feel bad about them

Are you comparing me to the beginning of last game or at about page 30 when you replaced in?

When I replaced in

[MUSHSHAGANA]

I'm making a prediction here: 3. I'll clarify that after I get an answer to the following question from Wheme:

How does it "ping" you? And in what way?

[WhemeStar]

I'm making a prediction here: 3. I'll clarify that after I get an answer to the following question from Wheme:

How does it "ping" you? And in what way?

You seem to be throwing shade but trying to stay on the fence which pings me.

[Dunnstral]

If you were scum how would you approach choosing the first gunbearer?

Ninja
Hi Cakez

Wheme this question is for you

Do you want my opinion on this?

[Dunnstral]

on 88, not 95

[Netflix and Chill]

Feel free.

[Imperium]

VOTE: Norfolk Boy1

My scumreads are norfolk and Imperium

Norfolk had strange/lamisty posts

Imperium is playing different from when they were town/they have a lot of filler and it makes me feel bad about them

Are you comparing me to the beginning of last game or at about page 30 when you replaced in?

When I replaced in

Ah that makes more sense then. I’m a slow starter.

[MUSHSHAGANA]

I'm making a prediction here: 3. I'll clarify that after I get an answer to the following question from Wheme:

How does it "ping" you? And in what way?

You seem to be throwing shade but trying to stay on the fence which pings me.

Ah well, I was wrong. But only because the accusation is insubstantial and uses weasel words to make a very sensible thing seem bad.

For clarification on my prediction, I figured that the "ping" would come from line three of the post where I discuss my playstyle and the value of giving scum limited information. It's great low hanging fruit for baiting lazy scum into taking a swing. There's a few other things I have hanging around like that, but so far the playerlist hasn't hinted at noticing any of those, so I'll let them lie for now.

Back to the topic at hand:

You say "trying to stay on the fence," which is a very ugly way of saying "trying to get data to sort a slot with." You chose to word your sentence in a way that emphasizes the fact I haven't sorted you yet and entirely ignores that I'm attempting to pry information out of you to correct that. Which anyone reading my post can plainly see is the case, since I'm asking a question.

A question which you /dodged/, by the way, despite my requesting that you /not dodge it/. I asked for honest self-assessment, and instead I got a weak attempt to deflect the question back on me. When I ignored it to give you a chance to correct your mistake, you doubled down. Well, no accounting for taste.

How about you try actually giving me a straight answer? The question, in case you've forgotten, is "What are you bringing to the table that is helpful to town?"

[WhemeStar]

You say "trying to stay on the fence," which is a very ugly way of saying "trying to get data to sort a slot with." You chose to word your sentence in a way that emphasizes the fact I haven't sorted you yet and entirely ignores that I'm attempting to pry information out of you to correct that.

My mistake I’ve figured you were trying to say I’m scum without saying I’m scum aka you already sorted me.

To answer your question I guess the answer is I don’t know? I don’t really have any reason to defend myself as I don’t think I have done anything worth defending. If you don’t think I bring value to town on first 4 pages than advocate for my shooting

[MUSHSHAGANA]

There's many reasons to not immediately shoot someone you think is scum when you approach the game the way I do. Also when you play in this setup in general, given there's a Godfather in the mix...

That said, jury's out on your alignment still.

I would recommend considering what you can do to help the town in this game and then focus on doing that, rather than, oh, just for example, actively trying to get the gun when you don't even trust your own reads, or casting frivolous, factually inaccurate shade on players who are actually contributing red meat instead of fluff and shitpost. (Again, it's still early game, apologies to the fluff-and-shitpost contingent.) Those are things that actively hinder the town, not help.

[WhemeStar]

casting frivolous, factually inaccurate shade on players who are actually contributing red meat instead of fluff and shitpost

What are you talking about?

[WhemeStar]

Are you saying people who don’t shit post are town?

[Dunnstral]

Feel free.

Realistically the first gunbearer is going to die at some point

After this point town gets to choose all the gunbearers (unless godfather is hit)

So by choosing you they've made it so you'll die at some point

[WhemeStar]

VOTE: MUSHSHAGANA

[WhemeStar]

After this point town gets to choose all the gunbearers (unless godfather is hit)

How does town choose gunbearer? Am I missing something here

[RLotus]

After this point town gets to choose all the gunbearers (unless godfather is hit)

How does town choose gunbearer? Am I missing something here

by shooting

[Imperium]

Fluff and shitposting contingent is not offended sir. No apologies necessary!

[WhemeStar]

After this point town gets to choose all the gunbearers (unless godfather is hit)

How does town choose gunbearer? Am I missing something here

by shooting

Makes sense

[Imperium]

Scum team either chose you randomly

Or

They don’t want you around for too long because either they think you’re unlikely to get shot so you’ll always be an influence with no way to get rid of you, so giving you the gun first means there is a possibility of removing your influence with the hopes you maybe get one right. I was scum in the setup once at my homesite rip, and that’s why we gave the gun to the first person. Then my entire team bused me day one to mess with associatives so he’d mess up day two.

Or

The above and they think your first choice will be a miss.

Or something else but except on Skype I’ve only played this setup once.

[Netflix and Chill]

Feel free.

Realistically the first gunbearer is going to die at some point

After this point town gets to choose all the gunbearers (unless godfather is hit)

So by choosing you they've made it so you'll die at some point

Basically.

Scum has one kill this game but no real reliable way to remove a threat. It’s why NachoSyr got the gun first last time.

[MUSHSHAGANA]

Are you saying people who don’t shit post are town?

This and the following vote are great, because the meaning should not have been in question, considering the order of the following posts (bolded for relevance)...

Duchess town

Why do you townread #28? I am getting scum vibes from it.

Is there anything else beside just a bad vibe? Is there another way you can describe what you are seeing?

It looked like a lot of trying to do something but it was just fluff. Im bad at explaining things sorry.

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I don't really like anything I'm seeing of Wheme so far. So, Wheme, I have a question for you. What /are/ you bringing to the table here? So far we have bad reads but wants the gun,

casting entirely baseless shade on one of the few players posting anything substantive

(no offense intended to the players who have not posted anything substantive, game basically just started), and shitposting. What do you have that town benefits from? Don't dodge the question or meme about it, I want an honest self-assessment. What are you actually doing in this game to help town out?

So, let's not fool ourselves here. Wheme's approach to me has been to actively attempt to twist my play into something that it is not. Weasel wording it to make it appear I'm fence sitting. Taking a really tortured interpretation of something I described him doing -- not to mention removing that description from its context. Etc. This sort of play normally grinds my gears, but Wheme's approach to it is so boneless and ineffective that I mostly just want to dunk on him for it. But is it alignment indicative? Hmmmm, not so sure.

Someone town desperately trying to get the gun at any and all costs, up to and including the town turning their back on them entirely, is a very real possibility. Anti-town as fuck and all but guaranteed to lead to utter disaster, but still, very possible.

Then again, gambiting scum? Not impossible, especially if they're the Godfather -- someone taking them up on their offer has /some/ utility. That would be awfully telling in a lot of ways, though, so it's no guarantee itself.

[Imperium]

How familiar are you guys with the playerlist Zukokai?