TM 2021 Large Normal: OEIS Mafia (Part Two Is Out)

[OkaPoka]

if we aren't yeeting xtoxm today we are yeeting xtoxm never until lylo just want to make that clear

Let's not act like it's beyond him to fakeclaim tracker

Or to actually be tracker, but scum

Why would we leave him until the end of the game based off of that claim

That's why we make the judgement call today dunnstral

[Albert B. Rampage]

@ABR
SS is less annoyed than me. he asks why you believe it's angling for a push, rather than just town!us deliberating on our actual read.

You've failed before because of all the players who stayed on xtoxm, now that he's claimed and potentially new wagons will begin to be formed you're trying to paint me as the target. You're scum, yes, but it doesn't stop there. You're the key to this game.

[the worst]

last post before leaving:

@AGar SS wants to know where ABR is coming from / backs the "natural" comment because himself, lilith and I reached the conclusion through reasonably different methods. he finds it jarring that of all the things we've posted, *that* is the one ABR considers "bullshit" because he feels it should be fairly clear that it's natural.

[AGar]

i do things i find unnatural all the time

[Albert B. Rampage]

That's not how you spell artificial in English scumbag.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I've been onto you for a long time and I could say whatever I want to misdirect you but games are over, and you're getting booted friend.

[Dunnstral]

if we aren't yeeting xtoxm today we are yeeting xtoxm never until lylo just want to make that clear

Let's not act like it's beyond him to fakeclaim tracker

Or to actually be tracker, but scum

Why would we leave him until the end of the game based off of that claim

That's why we make the judgement call today dunnstral

I don't like the all-or-nothing mindset

There are slots I won't be willing to touch while xtoxm remains unflipped, however.

[OkaPoka]

Another way to phrase it is, if you are going to spend every day from now scrutinizing xtoxm's tracker claim and trying to wagon there, you should flip him today.

[the worst]

UNVOTE:
look i'm 20 pages behind, babysitting makes me not want to play and i'm dealing with someone who is literally less competent than a baby
lilith and ss are both getting strong "oh shit abr is town" whiplash and i need to be doing other things.

[OkaPoka]

Do I need to continue explaining theory? or do we get it

[Ythan]

I think a more cogent point is that we don't spare him for one night if we're set on launching him tomorrow. No we don't necessarily leave him alive until lylo depending on what develops.

[the worst]

@oka we understand but you are completely incorrect

[Ythan]

Them my bad.

[OkaPoka]

I think a more cogent point is that we don't spare him for one night if we're set on launching him tomorrow. No we don't necessarily leave him alive until lylo depending on what develops.

yeah i guess this is a better way to phrase it

if we are going to be set on wagoning him every day and attempting to yeet him, we vote him off now.

[OkaPoka]

the important thing to consider about a tracker claim is the +ev is very very low. on average its not going to be helpful especially in a large.

however it has a high volatility in the sense that it could be big

consider the scum POV and the idea of risk aversion

[Cephrir]

i need to stop posting and do my job

ABR's completely fake read on me should be like abundantly transparent by now. he wants my elim, but can't put a reason on why. everything he's posted trying to explain it is naked posturing - i repeat, guy is scum or criminally dense and i like to assume the best in poeple.

if anyone wants to towncase him, hit me.

I feel like u might be upset at me for saying so but I dont like this post :v

[Cephrir]

I'm kinda indifferent to the claim

[Almost50]

nodody wants to interact when i'm drunk beyond the point i can lie? woahhhh

Well, I don't know if you're still around, but I currently have you as my top TR anyway, so..

[innocentvillager]

worsty, my viewpoint is: a lot of players in this game are going to be stubborn/"dense" (myself included), and they're going to appear so even moreso to whoever they are pressuring. to think a player like ABR (who is known for tunneling and applying max pressure) is scum because he's being "too dense" doesn't seem quite accurate to me.

[OkaPoka]

i want to see ducky's thoughts on ythan then tbh

[Almost50]

Hot take DGB might be scum.

I've been saying this for the whole day now

[Almost50]

You're joking, right? The core of the wagon growing on Xtoxm centers around an interpretation of Titus's post supposedly made by Xtoxm being defended by mastina, very much opposite of how Oka (and others) interpreted that post, to the point of most suspecting Xtoxm making up a TR of Titus.

Oh boy! *Sigh*

We are talking about 2 different issues here:

1- Oka not understanding what mastina was saying

2- The alignment of Xtoxm (or rather how >I< perceive Xtoxm's play)

Response to (1): I was explaining.. to Oka.. what mastina was saying. Period. It does not mean I agree (nor does it mean I disagree) with mastina. I just stated that it was a "valid" interpretation, but I didn't say it's the "only" one.

Response to (2): I independently TR Xtoxm regardless and have never voted him, FoS'd him or hinted otherwise. I had him in my TRs since the first complete read list I posted. I didn't need (or care about) reasons others were providing to SR/TR him because I di have my own solid opinion about a player I claim to know well enough, and have seen his Town play AND his Scum play numerous times (I was even Scum with him once or twice).

Now a THIRD issue that you may (or may not) be hinting is: Why am I not defending Xtoxm hard enough, and my explanation is simple. I am not a Town leader and people do not tend to listen to me that often, so it'd be a waste of time and breath. ALSO I have clearly stated who I was to eliminate today, and people were still pushing my TRs instead (Xtoxm, ABR, you, and -to a lesser extent- Titus). Inly lately do some people realize Cephrir and DGB are scum. And even those who do (mastina) have hercule (another one of my TRs) as her top SR.

So, basically I would have been redirecting the wagon off a TR and unto another TR, which is not ideal from my PoV. I don't want Xtoxm gone, and I don't want ABR gone either. I don't want you eliminated and I don't want Titus/hercule eliminated just the same. Now if a wagon build up on any of you I won't be threatening to invade Granada over it, but I won't be touching that wagon with a barge pole.

Do you still have an issue with me? Do you still find it difficult to see things my way? Uf you do, feel free to ask again. I have nothing better to do (except restating Ceph & DGB are SRs to me. I also SR tw stil, but that's not happening today and many of you seem quite confident he is town, so let's get one of Ceph/DGB today as we can only eliminate one at a time anyway)

[Almost50]

I agree with AGar. If we're not going to vote scum today, then we'll get rid of dead weight today and resume this tomorrow.

VOTE: xtoxm

Please get back on Ceph. The wagon is building up slowly, but we're getting there. It's not like we have less than 24 hrs and need to consolidate to achieve an elim yet.

[mastina]

If xtoxm flips scum:

And WHEN Xtoxm flips town, literally everything in your 3028 is invalid.

mastina is the closest but her best argument boils down to xtoxm wouldn't play so shit as scum

No, that's my argument for why ABR's town.
My argument for ABR being town is that he wouldn't play so shit as scum.
My argument for Xtoxm being town is that I can track his thought process and see how it comes from town and it looks fluid/organic, combined with overwhelmingly strong gut.

Yeah if you wanted xtoxm to live you'd either towncase xtoxm or push a legitimate scum case on me.

For the record--this is a contributing factor to why, of the names that I am townreading but I see as necessarily containing 1-2 scum, Ythan tops the charts. Ythan fits as the final scum in a Cephrir-AGar-hercule team fairly well. While I like his push against hercule, this type of content does fit as scum.

well, fair enough. maybe he's just a liability

You're bad or scum fyi

Guess which of those two I lean towards?

[unwnd]

I'm not processing these recent pages all too well

I'm just not in mafia mindset right now, but I don't imagine for this to be forever