Flavor Leaf vs. Hectic [Game Over]

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I just skimmed the VCs

Right now I get
Gamma town
Morning Tweet lean town
Xoxtm, skitter, chara and Starcrossed as persons of interest.

I just skimmed the VCs

Right now I get
Gamma town
Morning Tweet lean town
Xoxtm, skitter, chara and Starcrossed as persons of interest.

I agree with you on Gamma and I’m not getting anything from you so far that makes me think you could be a potential Hectic draft.

Tweetie may be town, I think her engaging with me even when she was pushing me still feels more believable than Skitter’s push on me.

I would have drafted me on Hectic's spot. After all, I did ask to be drafted.

My VCA has xtoxm as a person of interest but I struggle to see why Hectic picks him. I side with my votes though.

VOTE: Xtoxm

Can someone bold and at me with the VT and non VT scumpools so I can check my work?

Is Xtoxm still your preferred choice from this list?

[skitter30]

This response reads like a deflection. Why didn’t you just straight up answer?

i don't know if i have an answer tbh

[skitter30]

Well for example you continued to push the Dann/me associative thing and even after I gave you proof that I’ve done that as town, you still pushed that as a valid reason to sr me.

because it's scummy? you tried to deflect a wagon from flipped scum. the fact that you once did that as town doesn't absolve you of the fact that it's still scummy here.

obviously it *can* come from town, i just think it's more likely to come from scum .

i'm also not sure how this is an example of 'me not putting an effort into sorting you properly'? this is an example of 'you don't like me scumreading you'

[skitter30]

That's cool fl <3

I'm p sure this wagon is p infested with scum tho

Who do you think is scum voting you here?

And “infested” seems like quite a stretch.

well a fair number of the people i'm calling scum / curretnly scumread are voting me, how do you think this is supposed to look from my pov?

i think there's scum (or multiple scum) in you/chara/xtoxm and all three of you are voting me

[skitter30]

why is skitter off the table rn?

'm not!

[Titus]

I just skimmed the VCs

Right now I get
Gamma town
Morning Tweet lean town
Xoxtm, skitter, chara and Starcrossed as persons of interest.

I just skimmed the VCs

Right now I get
Gamma town
Morning Tweet lean town
Xoxtm, skitter, chara and Starcrossed as persons of interest.

I agree with you on Gamma and I’m not getting anything from you so far that makes me think you could be a potential Hectic draft.

Tweetie may be town, I think her engaging with me even when she was pushing me still feels more believable than Skitter’s push on me.

I would have drafted me on Hectic's spot. After all, I did ask to be drafted.

My VCA has xtoxm as a person of interest but I struggle to see why Hectic picks him. I side with my votes though.

VOTE: Xtoxm

Can someone bold and at me with the VT and non VT scumpools so I can check my work?

Is Xtoxm still your preferred choice from this list?

I'm fine with any of them. No real preference. If Flavor Leaf votes any there, and I am aware of it, I will grant him my vote.

[skitter30]

I really think that narrative is nonsensical btw

Why? Hectic did put me in his list of possible masons?

i'm quite sure that hectic did not, as he didn't have any

more seriously tho i'm baffled how people are drawing the conclusion from 'skitter is pushing nancy's slot cuz she thinks the slot is scummy' to 'skitter is trying to out masons' when skitter is well aware that there's like a grand total of one person including herself who thinks the slot is scummy: there is no wagon forming. it can't possibly be forming to out mason!you when said wagon doesn't exist, and is very unlikely to happen in the near future. i also don't believe i ever *attempted* to get other votes on you.

this doesn't make sense as a narrative because it doesn't match waht is actually happening (i.e. i was voting a vanity and making little attempt to form an actual wagon, so it really doesn't make sense to say that i was trying to force a wagon on you to claim masons), but at least 4 people are spouting it now

[skitter30]

That's why Venus got pushed so hard, they were a potential mason candidate for them

Also no, i just think the slot is scummy

You’re obviously not going to admit to that if you’re actually scum here right?

again, this didn't actually, like, happen and i will keep objecting to this narrative because it's not actually, like, based in reality

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Well for example you continued to push the Dann/me associative thing and even after I gave you proof that I’ve done that as town, you still pushed that as a valid reason to sr me.

because it's scummy? you tried to deflect a wagon from flipped scum. the fact that you once did that as town doesn't absolve you of the fact that it's still scummy here.

obviously it *can* come from town, i just think it's more likely to come from scum .

i'm also not sure how this is an example of 'me not putting an effort into sorting you properly'? this is an example of 'you don't like me scumreading you'

Evidence? Because in my experience, scum is far more likely to just bus at that point, than to try to save their buddy. Only exception to that is traitor.

Because you kept saying how further reading up on my rebuttals were “inconvenient”.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

That's cool fl <3

I'm p sure this wagon is p infested with scum tho

Who do you think is scum voting you here?

And “infested” seems like quite a stretch.

well a fair number of the people i'm calling scum / curretnly scumread are voting me, how do you think this is supposed to look from my pov?

i think there's scum (or multiple scum) in you/chara/xtoxm and all three of you are voting me

So you think it makes sense for at least 2 scum to pile on you if you’re town here?

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I really think that narrative is nonsensical btw

Why? Hectic did put me in his list of possible masons?

i'm quite sure that hectic did not, as he didn't have any

more seriously tho i'm baffled how people are drawing the conclusion from 'skitter is pushing nancy's slot cuz she thinks the slot is scummy' to 'skitter is trying to out masons' when skitter is well aware that there's like a grand total of one person including herself who thinks the slot is scummy: there is no wagon forming. it can't possibly be forming to out mason!you when said wagon doesn't exist, and is very unlikely to happen in the near future. i also don't believe i ever *attempted* to get other votes on you.

this doesn't make sense as a narrative because it doesn't match waht is actually happening (i.e. i was voting a vanity and making little attempt to form an actual wagon, so it really doesn't make sense to say that i was trying to force a wagon on you to claim masons), but at least 4 people are spouting it now

I can literally dispute this and you won’t even need to effort. Your pushing me seemed to get Fire pretty riled up iirc?

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

That's why Venus got pushed so hard, they were a potential mason candidate for them

Also no, i just think the slot is scummy

You’re obviously not going to admit to that if you’re actually scum here right?

again, this didn't actually, like, happen and i will keep objecting to this narrative because it's not actually, like, based in reality

My point being you’re obviously not going to claim this irrespective of alignment.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

The masons are in here for anyone interested:

Venus Mars and Pluto
Titus
skitter30
Ydrasse

@Skitter

[skitter30]

Evidence? Because in my experience, scum is far more likely to just bus at that point, than to try to save their buddy. Only exception to that is traitor.

Because you kept saying how further reading up on my rebuttals were “inconvenient”.

scum try to save their partners all the time? are you really trying to argue that only a traitor is more likely to try to save their partner ... ?

i asked you how i am 'not putting effort into sorting you' and as best as i can tell your only answer is the fact that i'm not gonna metadive you rn ... is there something else that i'm missing or

[skitter30]

So you think it makes sense for at least 2 scum to pile on you if you’re town here?

i wouldn't be surprised. i'd say at least one are

[skitter30]

My point being you’re obviously not going to claim this irrespective of alignment.

ok but it diddn't, like, actually happen tho
i had a vanity vote on you, sure.
it didnt' form into a bigger wagon. i didn't try to make it form into a bigger wagon. it was quite unlikely to form into a bigger wagon

claiming that my vanity vote on you was me trying to run you up to get you to claim mason is, quite frankly, ridiculous, since i haven't tried to run you up, and fl has literally claimed half the game to be apotential mason. all like 8 people he's named as a potential mason cannot be, and the fact that he at one point said you were doesn't suddenly make you immune to being pushed

[unwnd]

Occam's razor suggests this Back+Forth from Nancy and Skitter has more equity to be TvT based on how long it has gone on alone. I think if it were an SvS effort, the instance would be more in a vacuum, but Nancy has just continually hammered the point beyond recognition. I'm not even reading it at this point and I think even if somehow Skitter were scum, you are just getting her to retreat and give out less spew

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Evidence? Because in my experience, scum is far more likely to just bus at that point, than to try to save their buddy. Only exception to that is traitor.

Because you kept saying how further reading up on my rebuttals were “inconvenient”.

scum try to save their partners all the time? are you really trying to argue that only a traitor is more likely to try to save their partner ... ?

i asked you how i am 'not putting effort into sorting you' and as best as i can tell your only answer is the fact that i'm not gonna metadive you rn ... is there something else that i'm missing or

Not when they’re DOOMED was my point and yes, the evidence of my doing that as town made that an invalid reason for you to sr me.

Did you look at that MU game? because I really dislike how you completely dismissed that and fwiw, all 3 heads strongly disliked your posts - all 3, so that’s huge.

[skitter30]

you tried to sve dann before he was doomed tho, why is that relevant to anything .... you were defendign him the first time i pushed him, before he became a wagon
and again, no, i'm not metadiving
i'm sorry that you dislike that but i dont' think reading other games should be a pre-requisite to scumreading someone in this one

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

My point being you’re obviously not going to claim this irrespective of alignment.

ok but it diddn't, like, actually happen tho
i had a vanity vote on you, sure.
it didnt' form into a bigger wagon. i didn't try to make it form into a bigger wagon. it was quite unlikely to form into a bigger wagon

claiming that my vanity vote on you was me trying to run you up to get you to claim mason is, quite frankly, ridiculous, since i haven't tried to run you up, and fl has literally claimed half the game to be apotential mason. all like 8 people he's named as a potential mason cannot be, and the fact that he at one point said you were doesn't suddenly make you immune to being pushed

I think that anyone who’s town should probably be hesitating on voting me right after that because it’s extremely suspicious for you to completely disregard that post.

[skitter30]

he's. called. 8. players. a. mason.

i don't know why i should give credence to it much at all given that transparently all of those people cannot be
obviously his intent was not to take half the game off the table so i really don't think this is a relevant piece of information

[skitter30]

and again i was pushign you well prior to that post from fl so i'm not really sure why that's relevant at all

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

you tried to sve dann before he was doomed tho, why is that relevant to anything .... you were defendign him the first time i pushed him, before he became a wagon
and again, no, i'm not metadiving
i'm sorry that you dislike that but i dont' think reading other games should be a pre-requisite to scumreading someone in this one

But I linked it for you. That’s not even close to metadiving. But it isn’t just me, I also didn’t like your takes on either Chara or Xtoxm and I struggle with how town! could be so off in your takes.

If you’re actually town here, don’t you think it’s far more probable that scum is off your wagon to get towncred? I also think you’re playing the scummiest of anyone in this playerlist and I’m obviously not the only one who thinks that. And also, when I repeatedly brought it up why Hectic would have to be practically suicidal to pick me based on the last versus game, you completely ignored that.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

he's. called. 8. players. a. mason.

i don't know why i should give credence to it much at all given that transparently all of those people cannot be
obviously his intent was not to take half the game off the table so i really don't think this is a relevant piece of information

Because your push on me intensified after FL made that post. You seemed far less committed to pushing me before that.

[Ydrasse]

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