Flavor Leaf vs. Hectic [Game Over]

[Flavor Leaf]

RCEnigma has on record stated his only goal in mafia was to be able to accurately read me.

I couldn't have let him be scum here.

[skitter30]

yes i know that (hence why i originalloy thought he'd be ur first pick for mason ...). the question is if he's a mason or not because i think he's scum

[Flavor Leaf]

wait, he wouldnt have had to read me then...

[Starcrossed]

it would be lit if we pushed RCE while flavor leaf swore up and down he was mason and then RCE flips scum.

[Starcrossed]

Kannaaaaa <3

nancyyyyy <3

btw, a quick skim of nancy's posts in the hydra tells me she's town

if flavour says rce's town, that's good enough for me

i have no feelings towards titus. i think skitter is kind of townie, but i don't think i can read her @_@

~mitsuha

[Starcrossed]

actually, i'm not sold on chara, not sure why they are town

i think they'd be a pretty good scum pick

~mitsuha

[Gamma Emerald]

RCEnigma has on record stated his only goal in mafia was to be able to accurately read me.

I couldn't have let him be scum here.

I don’t see how being X alignment affects that for him
Either way he’s seeing your town play here

[catboi]

I'm reading and realizing I probably am townreading too many people. I vastly prefer a Titus vote to a skitter one. On reread of her posts, there's not a lot there.

VOTE: Titus

[Titus]

Interesting, I go vla and the game adds fifty pages and there's a wagon on me. Looks like my priority tmo morning is catchup but this is likely a scum sheeped counter to save xtoxm.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

you tried to sve dann before he was doomed tho, why is that relevant to anything .... you were defendign him the first time i pushed him, before he became a wagon
and again, no, i'm not metadiving
i'm sorry that you dislike that but i dont' think reading other games should be a pre-requisite to scumreading someone in this one

But I linked it for you. That’s not even close to metadiving. But it isn’t just me, I also didn’t like your takes on either Chara or Xtoxm and I struggle with how town! could be so off in your takes.

If you’re actually town here, don’t you think it’s far more probable that scum is off your wagon to get towncred? I also think you’re playing the scummiest of anyone in this playerlist and I’m obviously not the only one who thinks that. And also, when I repeatedly brought it up why Hectic would have to be practically suicidal to pick me based on the last versus game, you completely ignored that.

nancy. i'm not reading other games. i don't know how else to explain that to you. i don't want to, and i'm not. i don't have first hand experience with the last game either, and i don't know ifyour claims are true, and id on't care to read it to find out.
i don't think i'm that off. i basically never am, and have no reason to think i'm wrong. sure, you probably are not *all* be scum, but i'd be quite shocked if none of you are.

scum is always on a wagon for town!me. that's just how it goes. they don't let the oppurtunity slip them by. i would be quite shocked if there were no scum voting me rn

I know I’m town and I think Chara and Xtoxm are both town. I played a game with scum!Xtoxm and this doesn’t sound like his scumgame and Chara sounds really super townie, so I think your takes in this game have been unusually bad if you’re actually town here.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

uh i'd actually be trying, efforting, caring how i'm perceived (i.e. we wouldn't have multiple people calling me out for not efforting or for sounding weird), i would be doing more to get this wagon off of me
probably the most important one is that is the bit where people woudln't be calling me out for sounding weird/different - i'm very good at like ~presenting town~ as scum, i'm just not particularly caring abt it here
i'd look a lot more townier than i do

Can you show me how you’re different here than you were in last year’s TM game where you completely fooled everyone including RC?

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I don't believe FL but I will back off RCEnigma for now

Why not? I don’t understand your thinking here. He said it was “official”, similar to Hopkirk. Although tbf, Skitter obviously had nothing to do with Hopkirk reveal.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

You do realize FL can pick 0 masons right. Just saying...

This play becomes a lot funnier when there's 0-1 actuals masons

That would definitely be wild if he just picked 3 shots and no masons and while I could totally see FL maybe doing that. I don’t know why he’d do that to stop both yours and RCE wagons. Yours I could possibly see as fake because of the hood and your very different reads but why does he stop RCE wagon, unless you think he might have possibly copped him last night, so he has a confirmed inno on him?

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I dunno. I might be a bit biased towards how this all went down. I feel the signs of TENET flashing before me and Skitter getting herself into an awful position and the crowd convincing themselves she has to be scum. There was some small pings I got from skitter earlier re: 'why is everyone townreading me' but I've resolved myself of this. The game is in a precarious state, if FL is speaking the truth about RCE then it doesn't change too much where I think the game should go for today. I'm not interested in choosing a difficult battle and I always think it's more advisable to think in this way:

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck..It's probably just a duck. If someone is scummy by their inactivity and thread position: you kill them. You kill them early so they have no chance to gain influence and you kill them so scum has to make a stance on them. You kill them because they're less involved than other mates who could be possibly deeper within, but still will give valuable tells. You kill them because that's your job. It's hunting season.

I don’t know whether or not RCE is a mason but I very much doubt Town Stump FL hard vetos his wagon unless he has some kind of inno on him. You constantly shading FL who is the only living confitown in this entire setup isn’t sitting right with me.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I dunno. I might be a bit biased towards how this all went down. I feel the signs of TENET flashing before me and Skitter getting herself into an awful position and the crowd convincing themselves she has to be scum. There was some small pings I got from skitter earlier re: 'why is everyone townreading me' but I've resolved myself of this. The game is in a precarious state, if FL is speaking the truth about RCE then it doesn't change too much where I think the game should go for today. I'm not interested in choosing a difficult battle and I always think it's more advisable to think in this way:

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck..It's probably just a duck. If someone is scummy by their inactivity and thread position: you kill them. You kill them early so they have no chance to gain influence and you kill them so scum has to make a stance on them. You kill them because they're less involved than other mates who could be possibly deeper within, but still will give valuable tells. You kill them because that's your job. It's hunting season.

I don’t know whether or not RCE is a mason but I very much doubt Town Stump FL hard vetos his wagon unless he has some kind of inno on him. You constantly shading FL who is the only living confitown in this entire setup isn’t sitting right with me.

VOTE: unwnd

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I dunno. I might be a bit biased towards how this all went down. I feel the signs of TENET flashing before me and Skitter getting herself into an awful position and the crowd convincing themselves she has to be scum. There was some small pings I got from skitter earlier re: 'why is everyone townreading me' but I've resolved myself of this. The game is in a precarious state, if FL is speaking the truth about RCE then it doesn't change too much where I think the game should go for today. I'm not interested in choosing a difficult battle and I always think it's more advisable to think in this way:

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck..It's probably just a duck. If someone is scummy by their inactivity and thread position: you kill them. You kill them early so they have no chance to gain influence and you kill them so scum has to make a stance on them. You kill them because they're less involved than other mates who could be possibly deeper within, but still will give valuable tells. You kill them because that's your job. It's hunting season.

I don’t know whether or not RCE is a mason but I very much doubt Town Stump FL hard vetos his wagon unless he has some kind of inno on him. You constantly shading FL who is the only living confitown in this entire setup isn’t sitting right with me.

VOTE: unwnd

My only hesitation in voting this is I think Fire is town and don’t want him hammering.

Or is unwnd intentionally trying to provoke FL with this?

VOTE: Skitter

This is still better.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

RCEnigma has on record stated his only goal in mafia was to be able to accurately read me.

I couldn't have let him be scum here.

FL clearly has some kind of inno on RCE. He either copped him or he actually is a mason. There is no other valid explanation for him trying to stop his wagon.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

it would be lit if we pushed RCE while flavor leaf swore up and down he was mason and then RCE flips scum.

You think that FL is wrongly hard tr RCE because I think that’s unlikely? but I think it’s antitown af for anyone to be voting him today after that claim regardless.

FL either has very good reasons to tr him or he one shot copped him last night or the mason claim is actually true. Based off his reaction to Skitter, I’m going to trust the TOWN stump’s read on him, since he was right on Dann and I was obviously very wrong on him.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Kannaaaaa <3

nancyyyyy <3

btw, a quick skim of nancy's posts in the hydra tells me she's town

if flavour says rce's town, that's good enough for me

i have no feelings towards titus. i think skitter is kind of townie, but i don't think i can read her @_@

~mitsuha

SC is as obvtown af! <3

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

actually, i'm not sold on chara, not sure why they are town

i think they'd be a pretty good scum pick

~mitsuha

Idk, they seem kind’ve different here than in Pokemon Battles. But I think Skitter’s saying this is Xtoxm’s scum meta doesn’t really fit with how he played in Boon uPick but considering that Auro rolled scum with him in that game, I’m 100% obviously trusting Auro > Skitter.

Only thing I wonder is that Chara was initially tr RCE so why did that change for them?

UNVOTE:

for now.

I’m definitely keeping my eye on unwnd. Him trying to hard push a wagon on a slot FL hard vetoes isn’t townie but might make sense with his SS claim.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Interesting, I go vla and the game adds fifty pages and there's a wagon on me. Looks like my priority tmo morning is catchup but this is likely a scum sheeped counter to save xtoxm.

Why does scum!Xtoxm try to confitown Starcrossed though? What do you think is the scum motive in doing that?

[skitter30]

uh i'd actually be trying, efforting, caring how i'm perceived (i.e. we wouldn't have multiple people calling me out for not efforting or for sounding weird), i would be doing more to get this wagon off of me
probably the most important one is that is the bit where people woudln't be calling me out for sounding weird/different - i'm very good at like ~presenting town~ as scum, i'm just not particularly caring abt it here
i'd look a lot more townier than i do

Can you show me how you’re different here than you were in last year’s TM game where you completely fooled everyone including RC?

Uh i basically answered that in the post ur quoting >.>

+ i'm not really trying to pocket anybody
Or control the trajectory of the gamestate
Or like trying to cultivate a +scum agenda (or any agenda at all ....)

[Titus]

Interesting, I go vla and the game adds fifty pages and there's a wagon on me. Looks like my priority tmo morning is catchup but this is likely a scum sheeped counter to save xtoxm.

Why does scum!Xtoxm try to confitown Starcrossed though? What do you think is the scum motive in doing that?

Buddies? I need to know context and I don't but both were on my people I wanted flipped list. Reading up now.

[Titus]

pretend i wasn’t absent for the whole game

yes, we did receive the message!

~mitsuha

This should be outright confirmed by Starcrossed claiming the text of the message, assuming the text can be verified and changed. I want no wiggle room in case this is S v S.

[Titus]

VOTE: chara

I'm ok with this vote.

I also agree scum was on the xtoxm wagon. It's too big to be pure regardless of xtoxm's alignment.