I did ask for your thoughts on what was happening on page 19 awhile back (actually /on/ page 19).In post 674, WhemeStar wrote:Does anyone have any questions for me
I’m kind of ready for someone to get shot
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I agree, but I don't see it being Lotus.In post 659, SirCakez wrote:I think there could be a scum in Duchess v Lotus but honestly their posts are so blah to me I just can't get a grasp on it at all.
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I know you’re scum reading duchess, but what do you think of lotus’ reasoning?In post 674, WhemeStar wrote:Does anyone have any questions for me
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I think not mafia or Dunn is a good first shot.In post 676, Norfolk Boy1 wrote:
I agree, but I don't see it being Lotus.In post 659, SirCakez wrote:I think there could be a scum in Duchess v Lotus but honestly their posts are so blah to me I just can't get a grasp on it at all.
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I really like this postIn post 640, RLotus wrote:
My point isn't that you can't make up generic reads about the people you supposedly think are scummy, because that is what I am saying you are doing. Same thing you did with WhemeStar and Norfolk. You saw that other people are scum reading them, add in your fluff, and frame it as your original thought (I previously said this is what you are doing). That is what is scummy.In post 595, Duchess wrote:She didn't mention that post, so you are pushing me on my original thoughts, correct?
You said this was a read "on the back of mush". Now you are doubling back and claiming it's still scummy that we both scumread him despite having different reasons, all while claiming that I am piggybacking people's reads without contributing anything of my own? It's like Imperium said, you can't have your cake and eat it too. There are so many logical holes in your read of me that I struggle to see it coming from an honest approach to the game, and rather from a tactical positioning against a potential town leader.
The reason I am falling deeper and deeper in the Duchess is scum hole is because you are being disingenuous with your responses to me. Instead of engaging with the core of my arguments against you, you are focusing on finding "loopholes" or verbal trip ups in my case against you. For example, why is it that every scum read you give comes directly after someone else gives a read of that person? Can you expand on your reads more so that they don't seem like half hearted one liners with the purpose of piling onto someone else's read?Im a dog that quacks- WhemeStar
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I don’t get why you think I’m sensitive to the dynamics. I think imperium was more invested in the conversation as they were questioned by more people and as a result had to defend themselves more. I don’t get why people think imperium was hard defending Norfolk when they weren’t. I myself was confused why people were scumreading Norfolk like crazy. It came after my “shoot Norfolk” post which was just a meme because they said they were glad they didn’t receive the gun.In post 681, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:Hmm. You seem sensitive to these sort of dynamics, Wheme; would you say that the conversation was being pushed forward more by Imperium or by Cakez? What I mean is, if one of them dropped off the face of the earth at random during that, which one would have kept posting longer, in your opinion?Im a dog that quacks- WhemeStar
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Looking back on this, does scum make this post?In post 191, Rockhopper wrote:VOTE: ScrewTheTells
VOTE: Norfolk boy
VOTE: Not_Mafia
VOTE: SirCakez
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I'm open for reconsideration. I do like their posts so far, I don't see how what happened in death curse is relevant here though since they're different people. To be clear, I'm not familiar with what happened in death curse.In post 643, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:Oh, and one more thing. Anyone who townreads STT, I'm going to be looking through the lists. I would very much like you to explain yourselves. In great, exhaustive detail. Really beat the hell out of your belief that STT is town, /challenge yourself/, because I will throw down a /solid/ wager that you are wrong. Say, winner gets to control the loser's first shot when they inevitably get the gun (because this is gonna look /real/ bad for whoever is wrong, and they shouldn't trust themselves to hit shit anyway). I'm not joking or exaggerating, STT looks awful here, and you can check Death Curse to see that I'm right. ISO Zdenek, and Ctrl+F "MUSH". Recognize that Zdenek was replaced by Frederick A Campbell, who was our very first scum kill in Death Curse, and opened the door to red flip city. I am putting my bet down, I want anyone who thinks I'm wrong to put their money where their mouth is and/or eat lead.
I did like STT's posts, starting from the second one. The way he is looking at norfolk being above baseline for scum resonates with me- SirCakez
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Ftr I didn't want to continue this argument, you're trying to win something that is unwinnable.In post 673, Imperium wrote:Yeah I’m done this is useless. I don’t even know where the goalposts are anymore. You keep moving them.
For the record, no I wasn’t thinking that at the time because I’m torn and those are my real actual genuine town thoughts.
If I were scum, I absolutely would be thinking about how my posts are coming across. I’m not dumb.
But I’m done.
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That's win as in "win"
Nobody really wins in arguments like thisBrian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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Can you elaborate on why it's Duchess then?In post 676, Norfolk Boy1 wrote:
I agree, but I don't see it being Lotus.In post 659, SirCakez wrote:I think there could be a scum in Duchess v Lotus but honestly their posts are so blah to me I just can't get a grasp on it at all.
Wheme, if you had the gun and it was 2 minutes to deadline, who are you busting a cap in?Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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From my experienxe people who misrep are scum. I think cakez is scumIn post 695, Imperium wrote:I just want to stop being misrepped to hell and back.
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The fact is that town doesn't have any reason to approach this specific thing in this specific way. The issue: I don't play like other people /at all/. Almost all town players will recognize that that is not scummy in and of itself. Those who don't will be convinced I'm scum and be totally inflexible and unwilling to humor other possibilities about it until I start to hit red with my pushes.In post 691, Dunnstral wrote:
I'm open for reconsideration. I do like their posts so far, I don't see how what happened in death curse is relevant here though since they're different people. To be clear, I'm not familiar with what happened in death curse.In post 643, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:Oh, and one more thing. Anyone who townreads STT, I'm going to be looking through the lists. I would very much like you to explain yourselves. In great, exhaustive detail. Really beat the hell out of your belief that STT is town, /challenge yourself/, because I will throw down a /solid/ wager that you are wrong. Say, winner gets to control the loser's first shot when they inevitably get the gun (because this is gonna look /real/ bad for whoever is wrong, and they shouldn't trust themselves to hit shit anyway). I'm not joking or exaggerating, STT looks awful here, and you can check Death Curse to see that I'm right. ISO Zdenek, and Ctrl+F "MUSH". Recognize that Zdenek was replaced by Frederick A Campbell, who was our very first scum kill in Death Curse, and opened the door to red flip city. I am putting my bet down, I want anyone who thinks I'm wrong to put their money where their mouth is and/or eat lead.
I did like STT's posts, starting from the second one. The way he is looking at norfolk being above baseline for scum resonates with me
But STT doesn't do either of these. STT pushes a narrative where I am scum, yes... But STT leaves an escape hatch where I might be town. This escape hatch appears to be ONLY based on meta -- and specifically calls for the rest of the player list to jump in on it.
You know what that looks like to me? That looks like someone looking to see if they can get away with talking utter nonsense about me without being called out by anyone else.
The relevant part is Zdenek in Death Curse did the exact same thing. I found it insanely scummy, indicative of scum who was trying to look for someone they could put hard pressure on for garbage reasons, and I was right.
Now, the problem with your defense here is that it's all reasons why it seems townie, and doesn't say a damn thing about why it /doesn't/ seem scummy. The entire goal of the scum is to seem townie, after all, right? So you are, at best here, just saying that STT is town or reasonably effective scum -- so we can rule out garbo scum play from the slot. Unfortunately, that should be self-evident, so it tells us absolutely fuck all.
From my perspective, you have three options. Take my wager, explain why STT isn't scummy well enough to convince me that you believe it, or get in the scumpit.- WhemeStar
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That’s why I said we need someone to get shotIn post 697, Dunnstral wrote:I think we've entered the part of the game where people are arguing in circles about the same thingsIm a dog that quacks - WhemeStar
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