Open 804: Popcorn Mafia Redux [Game Over!]

[SirCakez]

What did I do to get ire?

I'm not plunging the town into chaos, norfolk really needs to die here, pretty much everyone is scumreadng them or nullreading them, they might even be the godfather at this point but it's still worth shooting there honestly

I am right about at this point
The slot will be a flashpoint and a huge question mark for the rest of the game
It has to go and sooner is better then later because I think we can develop a lot of reads off of it
Lotus flip did not really help me with my reads other than Duchess obviously

[unwnd]

Cakez I don't think it's in Tammycho's cards to continually battle your logic head-on, I think they'd rather handwave you instead of trying to appeal to your own reasoning

So if you want to bury them you should do it more precisely, because right now the back+forth does nothing

scum post

I sure hope it is!

I think you're sideline sniping and fanning flames. I think you've tried to pocket cakez and earlier were trying to look like you're being diplomatic, but you're not.

I'm pretty sure you're scum here.

I'm the only firefighter around here right now. If I were fanning the flames I'd be saying 'well Cakez, you may have a point after all' but instead I told him to be more concise in the nicest way possible. I get the aggression but I don't want to read it from either of you. If you think it's scum for wanting a bearable gamestate then like I said

I sure hope I am.

[SirCakez]

What did I do to get ire?

I'm not plunging the town into chaos,

norfolk really needs to die here, pretty much everyone is scumreadng them or nullreading them,

they might even be the godfather at this point but it's still worth shooting there honestly

Where was your input before RLotus was given the gun? My problem right now does not stem from reacting to the shot, rather the conclusions immediately drawn from them. Even if it's my own perspective, with a greenflip this early on I find myself not going into 'yeah shoot this guy next immediately woot woot just fire em off' I'd consider reeling it back in and determining where we apparently went wrong, yet you're already insistent on saying nonsense like Me+Imperium goading Netflix. I don't really understand where you got this point and you yourself have already agreed that scum probably didn't want anything to do with the shot. So...why are you suddenly so anxious?

I mean - Lotus shot was a pivot away from the Norfolk shot. Lotus flipping town makes me think we need to go back towards Norfolk.

[MUSHSHAGANA]

Hmm. You seem sensitive to these sort of dynamics, Wheme; would you say that the conversation was being pushed forward more by Imperium or by Cakez? What I mean is, if one of them dropped off the face of the earth at random during that, which one would have kept posting longer, in your opinion?

When you're done with your interactions w/Wheme I'd love for you to explain what the purpose of this line of questioning is and what you got out of it.

I'm done at this point, yeah.

I was hoping to get a feel for if it was TvT/SvT/SvS. I'm not good at pulling actual emotional vibes and not great at seeing dynamics of who is providing conversational momentum. You were in my nulltowns, so I was leaning away from SvS, but I wanted to check.

As for what I got? Nothing, really. The answer I got from Wheme was "Imperium, but defensively", which at least rules out SvS, but leaves both TvT and SvT (from either direction) on the table.

Since then I've come to read you as town a bit more strongly. Scum has no reason to try and get town lined up for the next round of scumhunting when it's trying to fall the fuck apart. Scum in fact would be actively going against their wincon to do so. So I would have asked different questions if I was asking them now, to try and get an actually useful answer with the assumption that you are town.

[SirCakez]

There is no way mush is town here.

Why?

Way to arrogant. Too much "putting words in my mouth" trying to act like they are mis repped when they arent.

Mush did this to me too and I think it's just playstyle/her thought process, after reading her explanation.

[unwnd]

Cakez I don't think it's in Tammycho's cards to continually battle your logic head-on, I think they'd rather handwave you instead of trying to appeal to your own reasoning

So if you want to bury them you should do it more precisely, because right now the back+forth does nothing

scum post

Hey netflix and chill if you're watching remember how you thought mush was fanning the flames?

This is what fanning the flames looks like.

I agree because they also said they agreed with Mush that I was "demoralizing town" and that doesn't really make sense

No I think you're doing exactly what I said. You're giving comeuppance about an event you had no hand in

[SirCakez]

MUSHSHAGANA

unwnd
Dunnstral
ScrewTheTells

Imperium

Not_Mafia
Rockhopper

Norfolk Boy1
SirCakez
WhemeStar
RLotus

Hmmm
Two town in her bottom scum pool

[MUSHSHAGANA]

Cakez I don't think it's in Tammycho's cards to continually battle your logic head-on, I think they'd rather handwave you instead of trying to appeal to your own reasoning

So if you want to bury them you should do it more precisely, because right now the back+forth does nothing

scum post

I sure hope it is!

I think you're sideline sniping and fanning flames. I think you've tried to pocket cakez and earlier were trying to look like you're being diplomatic, but you're not.

I'm pretty sure you're scum here.

I'm the only firefighter around here right now. If I were fanning the flames I'd be saying 'well Cakez, you may have a point after all' but instead I told him to be more concise in the nicest way possible. I get the aggression but I don't want to read it from either of you. If you think it's scum for wanting a bearable gamestate then like I said

I sure hope I am.

I want to sanity check this.

What made you think this particular wording was /nice/? Because where I'm coming from, I can see what Imperium means -- it's nasty wording, its just not nasty aimed at /Cakez./

[SirCakez]

I think I have scum moles in my townreads
And I want to dig them out

[unwnd]

Cakez I don't think it's in Tammycho's cards to continually battle your logic head-on, I think they'd rather handwave you instead of trying to appeal to your own reasoning

So if you want to bury them you should do it more precisely, because right now the back+forth does nothing

scum post

I sure hope it is!

I think you're sideline sniping and fanning flames. I think you've tried to pocket cakez and earlier were trying to look like you're being diplomatic, but you're not.

I'm pretty sure you're scum here.

I'm the only firefighter around here right now. If I were fanning the flames I'd be saying 'well Cakez, you may have a point after all' but instead I told him to be more concise in the nicest way possible. I get the aggression but I don't want to read it from either of you. If you think it's scum for wanting a bearable gamestate then like I said

I sure hope I am.

I want to sanity check this.

What made you think this particular wording was /nice/? Because where I'm coming from, I can see what Imperium means -- it's nasty wording, its just not nasty aimed at /Cakez./

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It seemed pretty nice to me? Maybe not sugarcoated kiss ass nice, but enough to where I told Cakez I was tired of reading it and hopefully he understood lol

[MUSHSHAGANA]

Yes. It was nice to /Cakez/.

"if you want to bury them" is the issue. It's guaranteed to get the person who is the one being potentially buried a little pissed off. There lies the issue where it's fanning flames.

[unwnd]

I don't think it's worth much going into my word choice but in my head saying "bury them" veered towards a case format or something along the lines

[MUSHSHAGANA]

Fair. Like I said, I was sanity checking.

Thing is, the rest of us aren't in your head (a lesson I have learned the hard way more times than I can count) and so your wording will be taken whatever possible way it can be. In a heated argument, phrasing like "bury them" comes across like "fuck that guy". You aren't in the heat of it, so maybe you missed that, but it's important to consider regardless. For the future.

[MUSHSHAGANA]

I'm exhausted. I've got a super busy day tomorrow, so I'm going to be making few posts, if any. Friday may or may not be better, it depends how screwed I am. We'll see.

[Dunnstral]

Cakez I don't think it's in Tammycho's cards to continually battle your logic head-on, I think they'd rather handwave you instead of trying to appeal to your own reasoning

So if you want to bury them you should do it more precisely, because right now the back+forth does nothing

scum post

Hey netflix and chill if you're watching remember how you thought mush was fanning the flames?

This is what fanning the flames looks like.

I agree because they also said they agreed with Mush that I was "demoralizing town" and that doesn't really make sense

No I think you're doing exactly what I said. You're giving comeuppance about an event you had no hand in

Sorry what are you accusing me of

I think my reaction is being exaggerated in that I'm mainly looking at what I think is suspicious and not really saying "wow, you guys are so bad"

[Dunnstral]

And I think mush thinks I'm doing the latter when I'm not

[Not_Mafia]

Bad shot, shoot Dunn

[Syryana]

Rockhopper has requested replacement. Please welcome petapan!

[petapan]

against my better judgment i am here

[SirCakez]

finally some good fucking food

[petapan]

shoot me so i can hipfire it, i see no downsides to this plan

[petapan]

haven't read at all save for the last few pages around the shot because i was aware i might need to sub in

will do so today




if i feel like it

[MUSHSHAGANA]

Well, at least one person sorta kinda familiar with my play is here!

Welcome to the game.

[WhemeStar]

Welcome Petapan

[Tammy]

hi peta what's it like to replace into scum slot