So why peta's interaction is disingenuous and 1175 is a bit of an overreaction from him is this:
In
1072 - Peta says that Dunn is saying what he's thinking regarding people egging on the Lotus shot.
For me this initially sounded odd. Peta is a good player and supposedly is reading along in real time. I actually understood Dunnstral's point because heat of the moment jumping to a conclusion is something that happens right after a miselim, etc. Could Dunnstral be scum here, sure, but for me it seemed reasonable in that moment. The reason I don't like it from Peta, is that Peta read some of what happened after the shot and then was supposedly reading the game through that point, which means he would have been reading as the flow of the conversation and recognized the conversation for what it was. He would have also seen that Netflix didn't say he was shooting that day until after we had made those posts.
In
1075 Peta responds to unwnd's thoughts about Dunn's assertion above that the shot was egged on. And in it he states that "it's notable that they went for the hero shot on a player that wasn't scumread by many except for, like, duchess, and suddenly folks who hadn't discussed him at all were like "eh yeah sure"
Except this isn't what happened, not in the context of the conversation, nor is it true that the people he's pointing out hadn't discussed him before, and I ask him who did that.
in
1079 Peta posts unwnd's
751 and my
752 for examples.
In
1082 I respond with this "I asked because I knew you were including me, but those are points that had been brought up previously by me and nacho. Nacho had an interaction with lotus in which he demonstrated suspicion of his points on duchess. I had already made that statement to which Lotus had asked me to elaborate on and I told him I'd get Nacho to elaborate earlier in the day. None of that was new, and was part of a conversation Netflix and Chill and I were having about the majority of the playerlist.
I don't know if you're just doing iso work here, but those thoughts I had at that moment did not come out of nowhere.
and in
1083 "Also I'm pretty sure that both of those posts by me and unwnd came before he said he was definitely shooting."
In
1084 he responds with this "i'm reading in real time but not taking notes or anything of the like since i'm disorganized. i can see there was mention of it previously but it was never really fleshed out"
So what I'm saying in
1083 is that Lotus was previously mentioned several times by me and Nacho, we already had concerns, and I didn't state anything different in
752 in the conversation we were having with Netflix. I reiterated that I had concerns but that I hadn't reread to flesh that out.
The problem I have with this and the issue I brought up to Nacho this morning is that I have a really hard time believing this is a conversation town Peta makes. I have serious doubts even a skimming Peta wouldn't recognize there was an actual conversation happening and recognize that. He then makes a baseless accusation of Lotus not being discussed before, but when I point out that's incorrect, it becomes "not fleshed out" which I mean exactly. In the post
752, I mention concerns that I need to reread to clear up.
In
1104, I state "It was never fleshed out, you're correct, but i find it not notable but odd that you didn't recognize that it was part of a conversation about players that had started at
710. Yes, he at that point said he was thinking lotus, and I restated my previously stated points - my little pings that I wanted to reread and flesh out, which I would have done regardless of who he said. We were in a conversation, one in which he had just stated not too long before that he wasn't going to be shooting right away. (Just double checked this; he said he wanted to give us a chance to get our thoughts out there the night before.) Anyway, there was no indication that he was shooting right then until after that point when he said he was shooting and gave his reads list. I get Dunnstral in the moment thinking it looked that way, but I guess I don't really understand how you don't recognize it for the conversation that it was."
So here, I tell him where the conversation begins. If he's speed-reading and not keeping notes, that's fine. I figure town!Peta, if he's really interested in seeing if this theory makes sense will look back and interact with that conversation, but instead he replies with this:
In
1172: meh, like i said i am shotgunning this thread pretty much as quickly as possible without writing down anything and i'm probably gonna miss some details but the timing of it was conspicuous, i don't doubt that no one really believed they were going to hero shoot right that instant, but that's not really as important to as it was the reaction to them entertaining the shot at that moment
So instead of going back and seeing if his theory makes sense he again harps on the conspicuous timing.
In
1173 I say "I still don't like your response. I have a lot more faith in your ability to read the natural progression of a conversation and you acting like something is what is demonstrably is not is worrisome for your alignment.
Think you're displaying an agenda there you wouldn't if you were town."
But his response is this:
In
1175: "w h a t
this is so far out there i don't know what to say, it's ridiculously unfair to expect me to meticulously remember every detail of a thread when i'm basically trying to speedrun the entire thing"
I know he calls me overreacting later, but this is actually an overreaction. I never told him to remember every detail of the thread. I told him when the conversation started about the reads, so that he could verify that it was an actual conversation about reads, which I think he would do if he were really trying to figure out our alignments. Instead it's now about remembering the details. This makes no sense coming from town peta. I respect the fuck out of peta. I don't expect him to always get my alignment right; think he has as hard of time reading me as unwnd does, but I do think that peta, if town, would recognize that that was a conversation happening and not egging on, and I think if he were actually wondering if his initial impression was correct he'd go back and check when I pointed out where the conversation happened. I don't think he would just be like well you can't expect me to remember everything.
The fact that he didn't is
notable
