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[ejjinami]

Are you fucking kidding me?

I tried. I failed.

that’s all I have to say

[Lunar Martian]

You pushed through a wagon on Town with your bullshit play. Big time throws. That was such a bad idea, and you almost certainly either told Mafia or proved to Mafia that you were bluffing, so the only people you fooled were Town.

[Lunar Martian]

Clearly Gamma or Luca are still Mafia.

[ejjinami]

still, I don’t believe this was harmful to the game in any way

OWER’s move was just wrong imo. Trying to lynch me when I was guaranteeing them a town win, was a REALLY bad move
Had my claim been true, that would have been game-throwing....
sorry if I’m wrong or just being rude here. Didn’t mean to offend
This mis-lynch is on me

besides that, I still think it was worth a shot tho. It just didn’t work out this time

[Lunar Martian]

I'll be pretty surprised if OWER flips Mafia. But I also don't really think ejji is all that likely to be Mafia. Everyone else is mechanically cleared. Don't know what to say. Someone is playing very well, or someone is playing very poorly.

Just want to point this out. Now I know which option it is.

[Lunar Martian]

OWER was obviously Town. OWER wasn't dying unless you force it like that.

[Lunar Martian]

Now I'm confused. Gamma isn't mechanically cleared, and neither is Luca, right?

[ejjinami]

You pushed through a wagon on Town with your bullshit play. Big time throws. That was such a bad idea, and you almost certainly either told Mafia or proved to Mafia that you were bluffing, so the only people you fooled were Town.

you know, “pushing on a town wagon” where the supposed “townie” was the only one pushing a scum agenda is not something I’ll ever blame myself for.

I’m sorry for pushing a mis-lynch
I said that if this doesn’t work out, I’ll get lynched and even if I didn’t mean it, you would have been able to force it yourselves. OWER should have known this

Refusing to acknowledge or talk about this in any way is not something a townie should have done

That’s all I’m gonna say here.

[ejjinami]

Now I'm confused. Gamma isn't mechanically cleared, and neither is Luca, right?

they’re not.

[Lunar Martian]

What was the scum agenda again?

Anyway this is still a win, we just kill Gamma and then Luca. Or vice versa, but I think Gamma is Mafia over Luca.

VOTE: Gamma

[ejjinami]

OWER was obviously Town. OWER wasn't dying unless you force it like that.

...I disagree but eh

honestly, I find it a bit fun how you’re still town-reading me despite all of this bullshit xD
I was dead certain that I’d just get quick-hammered today

[Lunar Martian]

I'm more confident that you're Town, but also more paranoid that you're just openwolfing. I doubt Mafia would be quite so bold as to blatantly fakeclaim, lie, then retract rather than try to come up with some explanation for what went wrong. Plus my initial reasons for Townreading you haven't changed. One thing that happened when OWER flipped was I got more confidence in my reads. I think I had the right PoE yesterday, but mechanical clears threw me off. That's why I'm pissed. I had a winning PoE with a spare elim, and we squandered that.

[joqiza]

mkay

[Lunar Martian]

I don't see why you wanted to get shot. I also think that if the plan had worked perfectly and Mafia had No-killed that would have made things even worse for Town since you'd look really bad. I think Mafia messed up by killing last night.

[ejjinami]

What was the scum agenda again?

assuming there’s only 1 mafia left and there’s a role that works as a cop and doctor combined, lynching the cop was the only way for the mafia to win

[Joq, Frogster, gamma] = 100% inno
[lunar, luca, ejj, OWER] = PoE
the game was in 6:1 yesterday
(3 conf townies + 3 PoE townies) + 1 scum

(I’m assuming we mis-lynch all the time, the mafia kills among the conf townies OR myself, while we lynch among the PoE)

IF I didn’t get lynched and got a green check at night, today the game would have been in:
3 conf townies + 1 PoE townie + 1 scum
We still have 2 mis-lynches left so this would have been an instant town win

IF I didn’t get lynched and got night-killed, today the game would have been in:
3 conf townies + 1 PoE townie + 1 scum
again, instant town win

IF I got lynched yesterday:
2 conf townies + 3 PoE
scum can win

So basically, as long as my claim was real, trying to lynch me would be nothing more than gamethrowing.

[ejjinami]

I assumed that scum would know that... but apparently they didn’t believe my claim since the very start

(or did but ended up making a 0 IQ move for some reason.....)

[ejjinami]

I don't see why you wanted to get shot. I also think that if the plan had worked perfectly and Mafia had No-killed that would have made things even worse for Town since you'd look really bad. I think Mafia messed up by killing last night.

because my interactions are terrible xD
I’m in the PoE so me dying is the best thing that could happen

+ I pretty much lost confidence in my reads


besides, I was planning to claim if there was a no-kill as well. I thought this through, mafia blatantly killing someone other than me was pretty much the only thing I didn’t consider

[ejjinami]

@mod

is mafia allowed to no-kill?

[ejjinami]

now that I think of it, I never really bothered checking

[ejjinami]

That's why I'm pissed. I had a winning PoE with a spare elim, and we squandered that.

sorry xd

[joqiza]

Galron checked me N2. Apparently he got freaked out by my setup spec as well because I pretty much claimed to not be a pure neighbor (and he read trendal as VT)... so for some reason he decided to check me

Wouldn't even just a regular Town Neighbor show up as not VT? Am I wrong abt that? I don't get why he checked you if that's the case.

[Lunar Martian]

Except your mechanical win is a lie since Gamma isn't really clear. We only had 2 miselims left, and there are 3 or four Town in the PoE. Our odds of winning went down, especially since you convinced me to vote for someone I had removed from my PoE.

[joqiza]

Ejj if you're town I think you played really selfishly.

[Lunar Martian]

Anyway, that isn't important now. What's important is hearing from other people if I'm crazy to still Townread Ejji, and then whether Gamma or Luca is a better vote.

[joqiza]

@ejj

Like Lunar said I let the OWER hang go through because I thought we were essentially in mech autowin. If we end up losing to scum!Luca your play probably wouldn't make the difference, but if scum ends up being in Lunar/Gamma and they win, it probably comes down to the point on your racket yesterday.

Another question: why were you assuming that mafia would target you? I don't understand why they'd ever choose to nightkill you if they believed your claim.