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[OkaPoka]

he seems to be satisfied with your response.

that is truly the most ominous "thumbs up" of all time

[Xtoxm]

an open question from auro, @whoever is townreading dunn:
what do you tr about him?
what do you think of my comments on him that X paraphrased?

[Ythan]

Noise noise noise noise noise. Happy with where my vote is parked.

[Dunnstral]

My thoughts:

I don't know where to side on lld and dgb. Not scumreading either atm, which could be incorrect. Not enthused about either vote though

I like Dannflor for town after thinking about it. I always have, but I'm less reserved about this read. I don't buy into mastina's case here

I agree that a50 looks like town. Not a strong read

I think Hercule starts looking better than what I remembered roughly around pages 30-33

Which makes me raise an eyebrow at 824 from lld, actually

UNVOTE: Hercule

I like 817 from lld, though, votes on the worst feel weird right now. I'm not townreading him but he's about null and said he'd post more later, and people have been putting new votes on him for a while now.

[Dunnstral]

But Dann and Cephrir not liking Hercule posts around that time have me reconsidering

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Hercule

Reading through to page 37 I'm not like, sold on him being scum, but I can see it going either way

And I don't like DGB on 37

And I do like Dann, Ceph, jjh, and to a cautious extent lld

[Dunnstral]

Xtoxm posts have way more of a natural tone all of a sudden

But the reads presented in 1012 are probably bad

And the case on me in 1035 is just not good and feels more like discrediting than scumhunting (gamestate at the time had lld looking like an easy vote)

[Dunnstral]

Also if you're going to say "dunn's reasoning is wrong!" you're going to have to show how

Because I'm 1 and you're 0 on me calling your alignment based on what you're calling wrong

So if you could explain how that's wrong and how it's different from last game, that would be great.

And if you're going to say that I'm wrong, but you were coincidentally scum last game, then that's still not a point against me, but you need to clear that up.

[Xtoxm]

you wrong because you called lld low charisma
i dont see how you can possibly argue that's a correct statement
honestly your recent posts here have me wondering if im off the mark you, i was feeling pretty good abt that sr
dann...i honestly liked his take on our slot. for me the way he joined herc felt weird, it seemed at odds with the rest of what he'd been doing and kinda made me flinch.
auro has generally had a meh/scum feel abt him the whole time.

[Dunnstral]

you wrong because you called lld low charisma
i dont see how you can possibly argue that's a correct statement

maybe I was wrong

What I really meant was it was an easy vote to make/scumread to have, it felt like the thread was leaning in that direction

I don't really think me calling lld low charisma and being wrong is something scummy anyway, which is why I didn't like your push

What was wrong about the way dann joined herc wagon?

[Xtoxm]

i dont think lld is an easy vote...i think she's one of, if not the hardest players to eliminate in this game. i doubt we'll be able to get it tbh.
dann's vote, my sense from him was that he wasn't heading toward a herc vote, so that appearing was unexpected for me.
im generally confused at how quickly this herc wagon has grown, when i dont feel its warranted, so ive been tinfoil wondering if scum are like coordinating their votes on here (like, 3 scum votes on the wagon) - this would explain the wagon speed, and dann's out-of-place looking vote would be a candidate for that imo.

[Dunnstral]

i mean, not two yeets, but two days

I would not mind a second day to figure shit out and then a flip choice.

I'm confident I can find them today. More confident if I have a second day to use.

But I'm willing to do it today if needed.

I may still be a fool, but I'm willing to move LLD to the TRs now. I don't think she doubles down in her own fate like this as Scum. She's a fierce fighter for survival.

Pay more attention to whether she actually follows through on it

To add to this:

They definitely would double down as scum, but that doesn't make them scum - you shouldn't be reading this as town though

Also, I don't really expect them to roll over as town and die either, the premise is dumb to begin with and is just trying to get us to follow them

I've disliked all of DGB's recent posts. Last game I was trying to remain unbiased due to me generally not liking their playstyle and ended up somewhere around null to lean town, it's notable to me that I can look at DGB and think they're scummy this game. I'd vote for them today

[Dunnstral]

i dont think lld is an easy vote...i think she's one of, if not the hardest players to eliminate in this game. i doubt we'll be able to get it tbh.
dann's vote, my sense from him was that he wasn't heading toward a herc vote, so that appearing was unexpected for me.
im generally confused at how quickly this herc wagon has grown, when i dont feel its warranted, so ive been tinfoil wondering if scum are like coordinating their votes on here (like, 3 scum votes on the wagon) - this would explain the wagon speed, and dann's out-of-place looking vote would be a candidate for that imo.

LLD had 12 posts when I posted in response to your reads. Now they have 76 posts; yeah, things have changed, I feel like you're applying future knowledge to my past comment. She looked like she could have been elimmed before.

Didn't a wagon on you grow kind of quickly last game? Not from the start of the game, but from the start of the wagon. It makes sense that this game starts going quicker because we just went through a lot of probing and learning in the last game and there's more stuff to jump at now.

[Xtoxm]

i mean, both me and auro have played with her before.

it did. there was 2 scum on my wagon. (they later came off)
i was scummy tho and made some kinda dumb blunders cus i havent played mafia for a year.
i dont feel herc is in the same kinda spot i was last game to be deserving of so many votes.

[Dunnstral]

But you were being bussed, which is something different than a block of scum voting together on a townie

I can see herc as either town who is being pushed for not much and him having trouble in the game because he has to argue against that

OR I can see him as scum who feels caught for the wrong reasons, as pointed out by Dann and Cephrir and LLD around page 33+

I don't think their reaction is towny, at least. What I thought was towny was mostly a tone read and got town apart back to null in the next few pages, and I remember that I shifted to townreading him as the game went on last time. It seems like a fine vote to me

[Dunnstral]

To be clear, I think it's a fine elim for day 1 too, not just a fine vote for pressure or whatever

[DrippingGoofball]

YAY I have a solid townread on Xtoxm!

[DrippingGoofball]

Winter Flakes too!

[DrippingGoofball]

LLD/A50/IV

That's my scum team so far.

I know I responded to this earlier (at least I think I did) but those are

really

bad reads.

You may be the one I'm wrong about in that cursed lot.

[DrippingGoofball]

While I am enjoying voting you as much as you are enjoying voting yourself, how about we join forces and fire up a LLD wagon?

I am necessarily against wagoning LLD, but I do SR mastina still. Convince me mastina's Town and I will vote LLD with you.

I don't have a read on mastina yet.

[DrippingGoofball]

Dannflor is also town.

[DrippingGoofball]

an open question from auro, @whoever is townreading dunn:
what do you tr about him?
what do you think of my comments on him that X paraphrased?

Hi auro

I am not town reading Dunn but I can't say he pinged me as scum.

[DrippingGoofball]

Ythan may be scum.
I am not getting good vibes from OkaPoka and I am sad.

[innocentvillager]

Ythan may be scum.
I am not getting good vibes from OkaPoka and I am sad.

why okapoka?

can you talk about your read progression on me? (if it's scum -> still scum that's fine)

[innocentvillager]

fwiw i think lld and mastina are my top townleans

Big mistake; LLD is almost definitely scum here.

If Alisae and/or chennisden were here (I'm not quite sure who's where in that; Alisae and chennisden are listed as players in Quick Attack but Quick Attack's representative is Titus and Titus isn't listed in the TM list for Quick Attack), e would know where I am coming from in my reads here. And even as Titus, Titus may have memories of what I'm referring to. (Tho that said, if Titus is scum like I fear, she may not corroborate anyway.)

Almost50 can talk to Gamma Emerald to see where I am coming from here, if Gamma remembers.
DGB might know where I'm coming from if it remembers tho I'm not sure it will.
jjh should be able to back me up here, too.

You can ask your teammate Iconeum, IV, where I am coming from and Iconeum with intimate familiarity should know where I'm coming from.
And while PB may not be playing and Xtoxm may have a chance of being rerolled-scum, PB would be able to get where I'm coming from.

the worst should know where I am coming from here (tho given the significant chance he's scum I wouldn't expect him to back me up here).

Heck, while I'll always be surprised if Cephrir supports me and he wasn't there D1 even he might know where I am coming from here. (To a lesser extent, Dunnstral too.)

This is not LLD's towngame.
Nor is it Dannflor's towngame.

When I said I was getting deja vu--I meant it.

okay Iconeum responded to this and ill paraphrase

he is confused on how the fuck it is intimate familiarity

if he recalls correctly it's Pine v Ali and mastina's LLD scumread was largely based on claim and setup spec

basically it, also like

yeah mastina correctly pushed LLD D1 in one game played together