Flavor Leaf vs. Hectic [Game Over]

[skitter30]

Right

Either xtoxm/starcrossed are scum together, or starcrossed is conftown

Gamma not claiming the message doesnt say anything abt his alignment cuz he doesnt claim it as scum knowing xtoxm is disloyal

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Right

Either xtoxm/starcrossed are scum together, or starcrossed is conftown

Gamma not claiming the message doesnt say anything abt his alignment cuz he doesnt claim it as scum knowing xtoxm is disloyal

I agree with the 2nd but Starcrossed is town independent of Xtoxm but I think he’s also town.

[skitter30]

no i don't i just want you to explain it to me tbh

pedit: @5666 skitter for teams that have chara in them and for teams that don't have chara in them

They're early interaction (i.e. chara's entrance to the game, talking abt tweetie's entrance to the game) isnt tvt

That's basically the source of this read

I dont know who the s is (probably chara) and i dont really see anything precluding them just both being scum, and it would make some level of sense given how they're defending each other for them both to be

[skitter30]

Ii'm just gonna quote myself previously answering questions i was already asked, this is starting to get annoying

nancy drew does that to you

That wasnt towards nancy in particular, many, mnay, many people have been doing this

[Glory and Mel]

i do that to you

[skitter30]

Right

Either xtoxm/starcrossed are scum together, or starcrossed is conftown

Gamma not claiming the message doesnt say anything abt his alignment cuz he doesnt claim it as scum knowing xtoxm is disloyal

I agree with the 2nd but Starcrossed is town independent of Xtoxm but I think he’s also town.

This is purely abt mechanics, and not reads

[Glory and Mel]

so who is scum with chara
like whats the team
chara, catboi, someone else?

[skitter30]

Want to vote in {xtoxm, tweetie, chara, venus}, they're not all town

I mean ... why am i wrong on xtoxm?

How confident are you on this? Would you be surprised if he flipped town?

Less confident than my 'scum in chara/tweetie/venus' take but he'a like the next tier of potential scum, if that makes sense

He could be playing like this as town, i just think it's more likely to be scum

ah ok

um not sure? i feel like i've mostly been sharing what i'm thinking, i just haven't been making super much effort to drive the game towards my preferred wagons if that makese sense

i guess my key reads are:
- scum in tweetie/chara/venus, but they are not all scum
- xtoxm is probably (?) scum
- you're probably town
- lunar is probably town
- fire has pockited me and is therefore getting a town pass
- same with starcrossed
- catboi is probably town
- i do'nt have a read on glory/ali, g2h town but not sure
- hopkirk is probably a mason so town

i think i'm missing someone

and ill take skitter reads into consideration if town.

Ok sounds good: look in xtoxm/venus/chara/tweetie and note that tweetie/chara are not tvt

not really annoyed but i've been saying the exact same thing this whole phase

[Glory and Mel]

and then who is fire's teammates
fire, catboi, MT?

How much sense does MT make to be aligned with Dann?

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Right

Either xtoxm/starcrossed are scum together, or starcrossed is conftown

Gamma not claiming the message doesnt say anything abt his alignment cuz he doesnt claim it as scum knowing xtoxm is disloyal

I agree with the 2nd but Starcrossed is town independent of Xtoxm but I think he’s also town.

I have many reasons for this but while I do think that Xtoxm is probably town, I don’t know why it isn’t possible that Starcrossed couldn’t be town even if Xtoxm wasn’t. So I think this is a bad take. I agree that Starcrossed is confitown if Xtoxm is also town but I think Starcrossed is town independently.

[Glory and Mel]

actually Dannflor has 58 posts hold on lets map this

[skitter30]

so who is scum with chara
like whats the team
chara, catboi, someone else?

Idk i gotta bounce now tho. I dont have a teamsolve, i just know who i scumread
Also venus was defending dann while he was getting run up

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Right

Either xtoxm/starcrossed are scum together, or starcrossed is conftown

Gamma not claiming the message doesnt say anything abt his alignment cuz he doesnt claim it as scum knowing xtoxm is disloyal

I agree with the 2nd but Starcrossed is town independent of Xtoxm but I think he’s also town.

This is purely abt mechanics, and not reads

Oh okay. But I’d bet the game on Starcrossed!town here.

[Glory and Mel]

actually tbh i should be asleep so map will have to wait.

[Glory and Mel]

I'll just post the key for now i suppose

[Glory and Mel]

LEGEND FOR ISO MAPS

+ working together with somebody, townreading them, defending them, buddying them, helping them, allying with them
- working against somebody, scumreading them, attacking them, pushing them, discrediting them
= neutral interactions, usually quoting somebody without either attacking or defending them, sometimes these are just interactions about setup spec or passing mentions of a slot, sometimes this is responding to a case someone made against you without making it clear whether you’re scumreading them in return or townreading them.
== stating explicitly that a person is a null read
? I didn’t understand this reaction. this modifies a previous symbol, so +? means “is this an interaction with a townread?” and -? means “is this an interaction with a scumread?” and +?-? means i have no clue what’s going on in that post.
v votes
u unvotes but only if someone says who they’re unvoting because i’m lazy
☾ ☀ marks boundaries between days. (if the thread isn't locked during the night then i use sun and moon both, otherwise i just pick one)
✝ a gravestone to mark that a slot has died.
r the slot they're talking about was replaced
R the slot I'm ISO mapping was replaced
⌾ marks a slot that has been tree-stumped/innocent child reveal
_ conspicuous absences (a post that mentions almost everybody in the playerlist except one person)
k dayvig (real or fake)

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

so who is scum with chara
like whats the team
chara, catboi, someone else?

Idk i gotta bounce now tho. I dont have a teamsolve, i just know who i scumread
Also venus was defending dann while he was getting run up

Yes and you know who else was doing that? Our dead town vig! Which is part of the reason I did that because chk seemed totally convinced on Dann!town. This is a really bad take because I’ve wrongly defended scum before in that MU game I linked and RC also wrongly sr obvtown!Sakura for actively trying to stop scum!Wisdom flip in Baton Pass.

[Glory and Mel]

so who is scum with chara
like whats the team
chara, catboi, someone else?

Idk i gotta bounce now tho. I dont have a teamsolve, i just know who i scumread
Also venus was defending dann while he was getting run up

Yes and you know who else was doing that? Our dead town vig! Which is part of the reason I did that because chk seemed totally convinced on Dann!town. This is a really bad take because I’ve wrongly defended scum before in that MU game I linked and RC also wrongly sr obvtown!Sakura for actively trying to stop scum!Wisdom flip in Baton Pass.

no one cares btw

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

so who is scum with chara
like whats the team
chara, catboi, someone else?

Idk i gotta bounce now tho. I dont have a teamsolve, i just know who i scumread
Also venus was defending dann while he was getting run up

Yes and you know who else was doing that? Our dead town vig! Which is part of the reason I did that because chk seemed totally convinced on Dann!town. This is a really bad take because I’ve wrongly defended scum before in that MU game I linked and RC also wrongly sr obvtown!Sakura for actively trying to stop scum!Wisdom flip in Baton Pass.

no one cares btw

You mean to say no one that’s actually town, don’t you?

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

If I was questioning my vote, #5692 convinced me it was a good one, so thanks for that.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

so who is scum with chara
like whats the team
chara, catboi, someone else?

Idk i gotta bounce now tho. I dont have a teamsolve, i just know who i scumread
Also venus was defending dann while he was getting run up

Yes and you know who else was doing that? Our dead town vig! Which is part of the reason I did that because chk seemed totally convinced on Dann!town. This is a really bad take because I’ve wrongly defended scum before in that MU game I linked and RC also wrongly sr obvtown!Sakura for actively trying to stop scum!Wisdom flip in Baton Pass.

no one cares btw

You mean to say no one that’s actually NOT town, don’t you?

[Lunar Martian]

Right now I am willing to think it's Tweetie based on my own read

how is Venus not the most sus ascetic

If you’re town here, I literally have no words for how beyond idiotic this statement is.

Okay lets list the claims ya since no one else really wants to going from 5152

Hopkirk + RCE Mason

Ydrasse - 1-shot Cop that can target anyone thats below her.
Glory and Mel - tracker that can't target anyone thats below us.
chkflip - MILLER EVEN-NIGHT NON-ADJACENT VIGILANTE, NOVICE COMPLEX ODD-NIGHT VIGILANTE
Xtoxm - Odd Night Loyal Messenger/Even Night Disloyal Messenger, Starcrossed got a message night 1, Gamma didn't get one night 2
Starcrossed - Neighborizes the top and bottom of each list, and removes Ascetic.
Firebringer - ascetic joat
unwnd - hated supersaint and a bunch of other things
Lunar Martian - Unclaimed but has power

This is what we know of towns power so far. We also have

Titus + Catboi Vanilla
Chara - Fruit Vendor poem thing which I don't exactly know why this is in the setup
skitter30 - conditional miller
Which BTW, makes a lot of sense. Her conditions are that anyone who investigates her that's below her.
This is a reminder that this makes a lot of sense when you think about what Ydra has claimed.
The person who is more likely to be scum in {Skitter, Ydra} is Ydra and if they are scum, its a very good fakeclaim.
I think on this day phase its better to just write this off as town and move along.

Venus Mars and Pluto - Ascetic
Just Ascetic?
Nothing else?
Why is this in the setup when xtoxm started ascetic, firebringer is ascetic and is also a joat

Morning Tweet - Ascetic Miller
Again this is also really out of place.
Why are Ascetic and Miller things that are being claimed together

And we also know that scum has a scum joat
Dannflor - maf joat

Like, you see why the You Chara and MT are red flags here?

I need this in my ISO.

[Glory and Mel]

So I tried to sleep for about an hour and I came to this conclusion:
Can anyone tell me why anyone would want Venus Mars and Pluto on their team please fill me in as to why because i sure as hell can’t think of why scum wants that slot in their town when nancy hydras are usually pro scum if they’re town.

I mean just look at it
there's so much scum value to no drafting it.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

So I tried to sleep for about an hour and I came to this conclusion:
Can anyone tell me why anyone would want Venus Mars and Pluto on their team please fill me in as to why because i sure as hell can’t think of why scum wants that slot in their town when nancy hydras are usually pro scum if they’re town.

I mean just look at it
there's so much scum value to no drafting it.

If it weren’t for the last game, this wouldn’t be pinging me particularly hard but since you WERE, I think this is seriously scummy of you and I’m not moving my vote.

[Staarling]

Auro is some kind of Hannibal Lector who can play mafia town and third party at the same time
Nancy will try to win no matter the cost
Shiro must be amazing by association :>