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[Lady Lambdadelta]

But you were being bussed, which is something different than a block of scum voting together on a townie

I can see herc as either town who is being pushed for not much and him having trouble in the game because he has to argue against that

OR I can see him as scum who feels caught for the wrong reasons, as pointed out by Dann and Cephrir and LLD around page 33+

I don't think their reaction is towny, at least. What I thought was towny was mostly a tone read and got town apart back to null in the next few pages, and I remember that I shifted to townreading him as the game went on last time. It seems like a fine vote to me

Thank fucking god you're town.

This is literally where I'm at right now and I'm loathe to talk much about it because the minute I stop doing the charismatic confidence bit, the hercule wagon will dissipate?

and I'm right now more certain than not he's scum... but there is a voice in the back of my head whispering bad thoughts to me, and it's talking a lot about the way the 2 wagons have progressed today, people's stances, and what makes sense for scum to do if we were both town.

Can you vibe at me wrt to that topic?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also I want to be clear that I'm doing something I've basically never done before and being transparent with my process a bit here

Which feels really fucking vulnerable and bad, so I'm really hoping that it pays off and either cures my paranoia or refocuses me in a correct path if needed.

lol

[Winter Flakes]

WF I know you asked why I'm picking at you this game when I didn't last game, and the fact is I did scum read you last game, my attention was just on more important targets.

that's not what i'm accusing you of though. it's more the specific thing you're picking at me for

from what i recall toward the end of the last game, you were coming around to me being town, no?

during that entire time i had not voted on a single of the what, 4 or 5 main wagons that arose during the game? outside of being on I think AGar for a couple hours, possibly.

like sure you could've just missed it or not thought about it last game but i think it's just weird when the thing you were calling scummy by me in this game was something i was doing like... 100x as much of in the last game we just played. idk seems weird my guy

[Winter Flakes]

Winter Flakes too!

im curious about this considering im kinda hard TRing the person you think is scum atm

[Winter Flakes]

im generally confused at how quickly this herc wagon has grown, when i dont feel its warranted, so ive been tinfoil wondering if scum are like coordinating their votes on here (like, 3 scum votes on the wagon) - this would explain the wagon speed

is a fast wagon necessarily scum indicative or town indicative in general or it is something about the way this one has progressed spefically that you don't like?

why don't you feel it's warranted

this feels like an odd take considering we had quite a few fast wagons last game on slots that had done less than hercule has done at this point, unless you think he's displayed a lot of towniness to this point or if you made a similar assessment of some of the wagons last game that i'm not aware of?

[Winter Flakes]

on a sidenote this timezone sucks

[innocentvillager]

What I thought was towny was mostly a tone read and got town apart back to null in the next few pages, and I remember that I shifted to townreading him as the game went on last time.

i can't interpret this sentence can you rephrase

[Xtoxm]

because hercule has been really fucking townie

[Winter Flakes]

can you explain the hard TR on him outside of his opening post?

[DrippingGoofball]

Ythan may be scum.
I am not getting good vibes from OkaPoka and I am sad.

why okapoka?

can you talk about your read progression on me? (if it's scum -> still scum that's fine)

The same goes for the both of you, you tend to stand out to me as shining beacons of townie-ness when you're town.

Look at the aborted game; I was finding myself agreeing with everything Oka said, and teaming up with him because my town read was so strong. This quality is absent in this reboot.

[DrippingGoofball]

Winter Flakes too!

im curious about this considering im kinda hard TRing the person you think is scum atm

I don't townread people based on their reads matching mine.

When I townread someone, I am more likely to be influenced by their arguments if they are good, though.

[innocentvillager]

okay read up a bit on hercule, i think i get the gist of the case? it feels a bit tunnelly/confbiasy (fine, all cases kind of are) but overall I'm not like, super convinced it's as AI as the pushers are saying it is and overall im still leantown on him from tone/frustration

[innocentvillager]

it's still possible mastina/lld/hercule/dannflor is just all town lol and we're all dumb

[innocentvillager]

also @Xtoxm i just want to quickly confirm your preferred pronouns are he/him/his since that's what I've been seeing? thx

[Titus]

it's still possible mastina/lld/hercule/dannflor is just all town lol and we're all dumb

That's where my disengagement leads me, particularly with LLD retreatingish from hercule.

[innocentvillager]

what do your reads approximately look like rn titus?

[DrippingGoofball]

TOWN

DrippingGoofball
Xtoxm
Dannflor
Winter Flakes
Hopkirk
AGar
jjh927 - low activity, low quality post by did drop a towntell
Titus - VLA, but I like what I see thus far
hercule - was going to say null until I caught a towntell

NULL

mastina - I have been enjoying her posts on a personal and intellectual level, I have seen nothing I would consider remotely scummy but she's not someone who can be read on Day 1.
Almost50 - he is so giddy I read his post with a helium balloon voice, I don't know if that's AI.
the worst - VLA, waiting for more info
Cephrir - was going to be in my town list but I saw a few things that pinged.

SCUM

Dunnstral - his xtoxm scumread feels like he's scum sensing a weak target and picking at him. a lot of going back and forth and fencesitting.
Ythan - low activity, meaningless posts
not-so innocentvillager - morose and demotivated, not solving
Lady Lambdadelta - aggressively discrediting players, manipulative ego post

[Titus]

Right now, my reads are based in wagonomics only for the most part minus a skim. I have been VLA most of the game.

Right now, my gut says the worst should be the lim but it is possible I am reading the gamestate wrong. I know my bias is to lim LLD because I am sure hercule is town but LLD's push doesn't feel in bad faith like the superbowl push from Tenet. I'll need to look at that in detail.

VOTE: the worst

[DrippingGoofball]

Right now, my reads are based in wagonomics only for the most part minus a skim. I have been VLA most of the game.

Right now, my gut says the worst should be the lim but it is possible I am reading the gamestate wrong. I know my bias is to lim LLD because I am sure hercule is town but LLD's push doesn't feel in bad faith like the superbowl push from Tenet. I'll need to look at that in detail.

VOTE: the worst

He's VLA

[Titus]

Spoiler: DGB Reads

TOWN

DrippingGoofball
Xtoxm
Dannflor
Winter Flakes
Hopkirk
AGar
jjh927 - low activity, low quality post by did drop a towntell
Titus - VLA, but I like what I see thus far
hercule - was going to say null until I caught a towntell

NULL

mastina - I have been enjoying her posts on a personal and intellectual level, I have seen nothing I would consider remotely scummy but she's not someone who can be read on Day 1.
Almost50 - he is so giddy I read his post with a helium balloon voice, I don't know if that's AI.
the worst - VLA, waiting for more info
Cephrir - was going to be in my town list but I saw a few things that pinged.

SCUM

Dunnstral - his xtoxm scumread feels like he's scum sensing a weak target and picking at him. a lot of going back and forth and fencesitting.
Ythan - low activity, meaningless posts
not-so innocentvillager - morose and demotivated, not solving
Lady Lambdadelta - aggressively discrediting players, manipulative ego post

DGB Gamestate read

hercule (7):

Lady Lambdadelta, Ythan,

OkaPoka,

the worst, Dannflor,

Dunnstral,

Cephrir

Lady Lambdadelta (5):

DrippingGoofball, hercule, Hopkirk,

innocentvillager,

Xtoxm
the worst (2):

jjh927, Winter Flakes

Dannflor (1): mastina
Almost50 (1): Almost50

Not Voting (2):

Titus,

AGar

[OkaPoka]

Glitters on names are cool but those are not dgbs reads? Are those your reads?

[Titus]

Looking to find the start of the Hercule wagon, found Agar's defense of me. That's likely town given his perception of our history.

[Titus]

Glitters on names are cool but those are not dgbs reads? Are those your reads?

No. They're DGB's. I am using it as a baseline and comparing to my own research I am doing now.

[OkaPoka]

Is that right? Im not on her list. Nor is iv. Sure there are more diffs

[OkaPoka]

Gold damn it iv is. Ok but im not