Flavor Leaf vs. Hectic [Game Over]

[catboi]

I don't have a reference for him, my only meta for him was a long time ago. The way he was deliberately antagonistic toward FL is a thing I always see coming from town, scum basically almost never get antagonistic toward clears because it makes the clears more likely to lead on them out of spite where townis more likely to display frustration with how the clear is doing something they don't like. Used to play a lot of follow the clear type setups in chat games and that's always how it went.

[Flavor Leaf]

I agree with venus and chara but I'm not sure if xtoxm is someone I should be caring about?
Like, doesn't xtoxm sort himself out?

If it weren’t for Xtoxm’s disloyal on you, I’d be power yeeting you for this.

Stop. No. Like come on. i've already explained thats NAI.

[Flavor Leaf]

I agree with venus and chara but I'm not sure if xtoxm is someone I should be caring about?
Like, doesn't xtoxm sort himself out?

you scumread Venus? i thought Nancy showed her town self a few times.

I would lockscum this slot but I think Xtoxm’s disloyal mech clears them.

STOPPPPP.

[Flavor Leaf]

like her reads just work more for FL than they do for Hectic.
It shouldn't be this hard :/

to be fair, while I think Nancy has a lot of poor takes, this isn't a townie thing from Skitter. Plus, Skitter's getting confirmed by Xtoxm anyways, and Chara by Ydrasse, so idk why there's so much stuff with them

[Flavor Leaf]

Right now I am willing to think it's Tweetie based on my own read

how is Venus not the most sus ascetic

If you’re town here, I literally have no words for how beyond idiotic this statement is.

Okay lets list the claims ya since no one else really wants to going from 5152

Hopkirk + RCE Mason

Ydrasse - 1-shot Cop that can target anyone thats below her.
Glory and Mel - tracker that can't target anyone thats below us.
chkflip - MILLER EVEN-NIGHT NON-ADJACENT VIGILANTE, NOVICE COMPLEX ODD-NIGHT VIGILANTE
Xtoxm - Odd Night Loyal Messenger/Even Night Disloyal Messenger, Starcrossed got a message night 1, Gamma didn't get one night 2
Starcrossed - Neighborizes the top and bottom of each list, and removes Ascetic.
Firebringer - ascetic joat
unwnd - hated supersaint and a bunch of other things
Lunar Martian - Unclaimed but has power

This is what we know of towns power so far. We also have

Titus + Catboi Vanilla
Chara - Fruit Vendor poem thing which I don't exactly know why this is in the setup
skitter30 - conditional miller
Which BTW, makes a lot of sense. Her conditions are that anyone who investigates her that's below her.
This is a reminder that this makes a lot of sense when you think about what Ydra has claimed.
The person who is more likely to be scum in {Skitter, Ydra} is Ydra and if they are scum, its a very good fakeclaim.
I think on this day phase its better to just write this off as town and move along.

Venus Mars and Pluto - Ascetic
Just Ascetic?
Nothing else?
Why is this in the setup when xtoxm started ascetic, firebringer is ascetic and is also a joat

Morning Tweet - Ascetic Miller
Again this is also really out of place.
Why are Ascetic and Miller things that are being claimed together

And we also know that scum has a scum joat
Dannflor - maf joat

Like, you see why the You Chara and MT are red flags here?

I need this in my ISO.

[unwnd]

If boon doesn't wanna kill me then I won't die, but I'd like to offer him a trade

You lim Tweeite and if it doesn't turn up scum I will be the willing death the next day

I have no issue being BoP'ed here

[unwnd]

I mean claim stuff is just icing on the cake. Tweetie has been a scumread for about 3 consecutive days. A tunnel maybe, but I wanna see this through and some part of me (mind you, biased) believes despite Tweetie becoming a topic she is never pushed to the same extent as someone like Titus/Xtoxm which makes me think scum are hesitant to bus again

[Flavor Leaf]

Hopkirk - Mason
RCE - Mason
Ydrasse - 1-shot true alignment Cop that can target anyone thats below her. -

This was my fake claim in Overkill 2, the true alignment shot

Glory and Mel - tracker that can't target anyone thats below us.
chkflip - MILLER EVEN-NIGHT NON-ADJACENT VIGILANTE, NOVICE COMPLEX ODD-NIGHT VIGILANTE
Xtoxm - Odd Night Loyal Messenger/Even Night Disloyal Messenger, Starcrossed got a message night 1, Gamma didn't get one night 2
Starcrossed - Neighborizes the top and bottom of each list, and removes Ascetic.
Firebringer - Ascetic Joat
unwnd - hated supersaint
Lunar Martian - I know their full role, I'm okay with them not claiming yet.
Titus - Vanilla
Catboi - Vanilla
Chara - Poem Vendor
skitter30 - conditional miller, Her conditions are that anyone who investigates her that's below her.
Venus Mars and Pluto - Ascetic
Morning Tweet - Ascetic Miller


Dannflor - Mafia JOAT

[Flavor Leaf]

for what it's worth, I put a lot of fruit vendor different theme, though, into my games.

Sorcerer's ABoontice comes to mind.

I also put multiple roles aimlessly, like the Ascetics, and the long long many words role PM, like Chkflip.

The ability to remove Ascetic makes Morning Tweet townier for me, tbh. They're really one of my stronger town reads, but I can see me being wrong.

Here's the thing with Skitter.

There's no role in this game that would target her and get the miller result, so the player order thing doesnt actually matter with her.

This seems like a potential gambit based on them rolling near the top of the player list.

[Flavor Leaf]

Firebringer as Ascetic Joat for Mafia makes a lot of sense too. The ascetic could even be fake.

[Flavor Leaf]

at the same time, it's also a perfect cover for Xtoxm's role, because I forgot to put Xtoxm is Ascetic still right now.

[unwnd]

MT removes ascetic? I thought Starcrossed did that lol

[Flavor Leaf]

there's just a few posts that I don't think MT ever make here as scum, same with Lunar Martian, but ill consider that deal, Unwnd. Looking into it

[Flavor Leaf]

MT removes ascetic? I thought Starcrossed did that lol

I meant, Starcrossed's ability to remove Ascetic gives credit to MT's claim. Ascetic Miller. I don't see any reason that should be a scum thing. Although, I think Krazy did change stuff allowing for scum to be a Miller, that's kinda nasty.

[Flavor Leaf]

Hated is not on the Rolebook list, are you a variant?

Frankly, I forgot about that stuff.

Ydrasse should be a Variant, as well as Starcrossed. I guess Ydrasse might not be a variant.

Magical is on the modifier list that was added, Miller/Supersaint are both under any alignment here.

Chara could be a Complex Poem Vendor.


Why does Skitter's role not have anything that could see their miller. None of the roles in this game can see millers. How many miller claims were there? 3, damn, i don't think there has to be a scum in them.

[Flavor Leaf]

Ydrasse
Glory and Mel
Venus Mars and Pluto
Morning Tweet
Firebringer
skitter30
catboiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
Chara

I trust Xtoxm/Unwnd/Starcrossed pretty heavy. Lunar Martian I think I have good reasons to town read, and I kind of just think their play makes sense as town and I don't think Hectic picks them.

3 scum in that 8.

I really don't think it's MT. Ydrasse I have mixed feelings with if she's fake claiming or not, but like I wanna believe her.

Glory I wanna believe. Venus hydras been obnoxiously not reading some posts, so that might be town indicative.

Firebringer
Chara
Skitter
Catboi
MT

I think Ascetic Joat is scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

if Glory is town, Firebringer is probably scum for our back and forth yesterday leading into a Glory vote.

[Flavor Leaf]

if scum team is dannflor/skitter/pooky and another. I will find hectic in rl and destroy him

im glad unwnd is calling skitter out on her LIES.

Dann/Skitter/Firebringer team? Pooky a mislead?

[Flavor Leaf]

Dannflor, pocket catboi to make him feel more loved

[Firebringer]

if scum team is dannflor/skitter/pooky and another. I will find hectic in rl and destroy him

im glad unwnd is calling skitter out on her LIES.

Dann/Skitter/Firebringer team? Pooky a mislead?

i don't know how many times i have to say this but that post is referencing the game sign ups post from me asking hectic to make me teamed with these players.

[Firebringer]

also fine with getting faded i thought my role was useful to catching scum but in reality my role is entirely useless and this setup is just trash.

[Chara]

Chara could be a Complex Poem Vendor.

i don't know what complex is, but i asked Krazy at gamestart and was informed i'm a reflavoured vendor that counts as a normal vendor for rolebank purposes.

[Flavor Leaf]

yeah, that's exactly what I do with fruit vendor.

[Flavor Leaf]

Meh, I gut read Chara and Firebringer as town based on interactions.

Maybe just Skitter, Catboi, MT.

I go back and forth with Alisae.

the thing is with MT is I genuinely don't think they're scum. I could be wrong, but if I'm right and they're town, that's going to be upsetting.

But I'm willing to compromise for MT to show you guys I do care about your reads.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Lunar - you know who I want you to target tonight. That's all I'm gonna say there.