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Post Post #1675 (ISO) » Tue Feb 02, 2021 11:51 am

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In post 1615, quiet wrote:@spartian, how are you feeling about Fred flip? Thoughts, reactions?
Personally quite annoyed and frustrated, I still think it was the right decision at the time given the "content" they had provided and to be honest with you I'd feel much more worried if they was in the last 5, given they flipped town it would have been game throwing to have them in the last 5 if we had not lynched mafia instead of him. While flow trap can be illusive they tend to be more conversational than Fredrick so I feel we can get more from him today than we would Fredrick, and hoping that someone just happens to change their behaviour and play just because its a day later is not a good idea in my opinion.

Ofc looking back on it now from this pov with the hindsight of freds flip id rather have flipped someone else but if that person had been town, then i think we would have been in a much worse position than we are now tbh.
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Post Post #1676 (ISO) » Tue Feb 02, 2021 12:01 pm

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ie. The fact that floo is obvscum in my opinion does not change because it is 5 way. I will absolutely review the quiet slot but that doesn't require me being at his throat immediately, it requires me to sit down and reread
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Post Post #1677 (ISO) » Tue Feb 02, 2021 12:02 pm

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In post 1674, Prism wrote:Spartan, what do you think of this post of mine earlier?

Does this just like, ring zero alarm bells for you?
Erm im not sure, It's hard for me to say why someone else didn't respond to you as I dont't know but I can see your thought process behind the read, if that was the case of a me/floo scum team i dont think he would want to try and distance himself from his scum partner, if he thought I might be getting hard pushed and then the d2 lynch surely he would want to be involved to not appear off the wagon of his supposed scum partner.
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Post Post #1678 (ISO) » Tue Feb 02, 2021 12:03 pm

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In post 1676, Prism wrote:ie. The fact that floo is obvscum in my opinion does not change because it is 5 way. I will absolutely review the quiet slot but that doesn't require me being at his throat immediately, it requires me to sit down and reread
Why do you think floo is obvscum? is it the same reasoning you had for scumreading him d2 or is there something else?
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Post Post #1679 (ISO) » Tue Feb 02, 2021 12:09 pm

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To Spartan/Quiet who would you go for in the case of Prism/Floo
"I'm not coming to your house with a paper shredder" - Flow

"I honestly had no idea how to converse with (Flow). (Flow) brought up architecture to start with and I was like "oh do you like architecture" and then he was like "uhm no I know nothing about it." And then he threw something out a window??"
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Post Post #1680 (ISO) » Tue Feb 02, 2021 12:09 pm

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Yes, I'm on my phone atm so it's hard for me to quote wall, but my view from Day 2 is unchanged and was strengthened by the Frederick flip. The fairyprincess slot isn't the worst shot given that I was defending it so hard, it had me locktown, and was iffy on both you and flow trap (No clue what they thought of quiet by EoD)

In contrast you're hard townreading floo, you/flow trap have me as a lukewarm townlean last I checked, and both of you are still alive
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Post Post #1681 (ISO) » Tue Feb 02, 2021 12:10 pm

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In post 1629, quiet wrote:Prism, in what world do I get shot? Spartian, flow think I'm scum, I don't know what floo thinks but I think it's neutral at best, and you're openly concerned about me and have been for ages. Most damning, though it was Spartian's strong SR in part that drove my decision of floo vs. fred or flow, I was still the first on the Fred miselim wagon.

I just couldn't make a decent play yesterday it seems. Why would I get killed? I feel like I look terrible rn.

Am I doing the thing where somehow people TR me despite the fact that I feel like people SR me like crazy? Spartian SRed me at the start of the day yesterday for thinking people SRed me from day1 despite the fact that they found me towny after that. Is that about to happen again?
I can see you providing pro-town plays, I just need to decide if that's from town or from scum trying to appear as town, although I do stand by that I have found it sus you have struggled to nail down your views most of the time and have any real sus other than well everyone else is town so they must be sus it does come across as scum who is struggling to find reasons to scum read people. I've not got 1 person I specifically think is scum, its pretty open from my perspective atm.
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Post Post #1682 (ISO) » Tue Feb 02, 2021 12:11 pm

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Half of my effort as scum this game would go towards protecting slots from eliminations, getting them to townread me, and shooting them instead of either letting them get voted or capitalize on the earned townreads.

The other half in this hypothetical would be pocketing quiet but like, there's three people that have locktowned me and only two nightkills
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Post Post #1683 (ISO) » Tue Feb 02, 2021 12:13 pm

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In post 1679, flow trap wrote:To Spartan/Quiet who would you go for in the case of Prism/Floo
If I had to pick between the two of them it would be Prism but its not an easy choice.
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Post Post #1684 (ISO) » Tue Feb 02, 2021 12:13 pm

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Actually that's a lie, half of my effort this game has been towards lecturing flow trap on the value of friendship and teamwork
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Post Post #1685 (ISO) » Tue Feb 02, 2021 12:22 pm

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In post 1680, Prism wrote:Yes, I'm on my phone atm so it's hard for me to quote wall, but my view from Day 2 is unchanged and was strengthened by the Frederick flip. The fairyprincess slot isn't the worst shot given that I was defending it so hard, it had me locktown, and was iffy on both you and flow trap (No clue what they thought of quiet by EoD)

In contrast you're hard townreading floo, you/flow trap have me as a lukewarm townlean last I checked, and both of you are still alive
I wouldn't say my town read on floo is hard town reading but they are the stronger of my town reads sure but that doesn't mean that I'm not still evaluating all the interactions they have as well.

In post 1682, Prism wrote:Half of my effort as scum this game would go towards protecting slots from eliminations, getting them to townread me, and shooting them instead of either letting them get voted or capitalize on the earned townreads.

The other half in this hypothetical would be pocketing quiet but like, there's three people that have locktowned me and only two nightkills

Interesting you say your effort if you was scum would be to protect slots from elim, geting them to town read you and then shoot them, when in your previous post you say
The fairyprincess slot isn't the worst shot given that I was defending it so hard, it had me locktown
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Post Post #1686 (ISO) » Tue Feb 02, 2021 12:26 pm

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The point of my "Half of my effort..." hypothetical is based off how much effort I've put into the fairy/esoteric slots. My point being, I went through all that effort to get a townread from them as scum only to immediately shoot them is ???
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Post Post #1687 (ISO) » Tue Feb 02, 2021 12:26 pm

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In post 1646, flow trap wrote:Should I release the essay in parts or all at once?
In parts might make it easier to quote and reply to and we can start reading it when you are posting the other parts of it?
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Post Post #1688 (ISO) » Tue Feb 02, 2021 12:27 pm

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In post 1686, Prism wrote:The point of my "Half of my effort..." hypothetical is based off how much effort I've put into the fairy/esoteric slots. My point being, I went through all that effort to get a townread from them as scum only to immediately shoot them is ???
Its so bonkers maybe its true aha
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Post Post #1689 (ISO) » Tue Feb 02, 2021 12:27 pm

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ie. The paragraph you quoted is saying "This was the shot, this is what it means if I did it and it's blatant nonsense"
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Post Post #1690 (ISO) » Tue Feb 02, 2021 12:29 pm

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In post 1652, Prism wrote:
In post 1649, flow trap wrote:If I release it allllll at once, it's going to take a long time
Let me put it this way: You don't want me wondering if you're being truthful of your claim to have wrote it overnight.
Given its been 6 hours since he first told us about this legendary scripture its not looking good... why write it over the night time if your not gonna even post it when it comes to day
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Post Post #1691 (ISO) » Tue Feb 02, 2021 12:35 pm

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In post 1650, quiet wrote:Prism, I've locked you as town and I don't think I'm capable of folding on that position without some SERIOUS pressure or someone beating me over the head with my own stupidity until I see the light. As a result, I'm trying to determine between the three of {spartian, floo, flow trap}, who the safest partner to both is. You pushing floo yesterday is a somewhat good sign, as I'm taking that info as clean. That's where my head is at.
Why are you so locktown on their slot? why do you require pressure from others to change your reads? it just come across as sus when your reads cant organically evolve and you just lock a read on someone and park it there because it feels safe.
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Post Post #1692 (ISO) » Tue Feb 02, 2021 12:41 pm

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In post 1690, Spartan117 wrote:Given its been 6 hours since he first told us about this legendary scripture its not looking good... why write it over the night time if your not gonna even post it when it comes to day
Because I am lazy and only wrote half of what I wanted :giggle:
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Post Post #1693 (ISO) » Tue Feb 02, 2021 12:47 pm

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In post 1692, flow trap wrote:
In post 1690, Spartan117 wrote:Given its been 6 hours since he first told us about this legendary scripture its not looking good... why write it over the night time if your not gonna even post it when it comes to day
Because I am lazy and only wrote half of what I wanted :giggle:
wait so are we getting 14 pages?

anyway im going to bed now so ill check it tomorrow when i get time
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Post Post #1694 (ISO) » Tue Feb 02, 2021 12:47 pm

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Mmm...I'll share part 1 while I work on the rest
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Post Post #1695 (ISO) » Tue Feb 02, 2021 12:51 pm

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Pages 1-10:
Starting with posts 7-9; Prism called me out on this later.
In post 275, Prism wrote:flow trap, what was your thought process with this sequence?
In post 7, flow trap wrote:Hi
In post 8, safebet222 wrote:Hey everyone...

VOTE: clarkbar

You just made me think about breaking my diet with candy.
In post 9, flow trap wrote:VOTE: floo

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I just wanted to bring up that I do genuinely feel awestruck when I come on to a new site and I wasn’t confident that the meta was what it said it was. A lot of things that can be interpreted as jokes fill the rest of this section until Floo puts the first non-joke vote on me. I give some fake newbie reactions. Quietbet questions the vote, which is strange since they later vote for me. Enchant makes the first plurality and Spartan joins 12 minutes later, which is… okay I guess, I do believe Spartan wouldn’t mind doing this as scum as they seem bold, but not inherently scummy. Floo then reveals their motives for voting me and for calling it partly serious.
In post 77, floo wrote:
In post 46, safebet222 wrote: So how can you have a serious vote of 3 people haven't even checked in?
...
OMGUS?
"..." not part of original post.

With the game becoming more serious, I can explain my motives. I switched my RVS vote from Enchant to flow trap because I wanted to see where a conversation would go. flow trap's posting style is lighthearted with a lot of small talk and interactions with other player, as one of the most active users so far (might be the most active in terms of post count). I stated my vote was "partially serious" () to avoid seeming suspicious from an apparent OMGUS (as you guessed) and a second (apparently) random vote. I am explaining my intentions now because I would rather have flow trap discuss his/her gameplay or opinions than post joke reactions.
I do think their explanation was perfectly sound and therefore their motivation was in good interest. Some posts with nothing then Quietbet puts me on E-1, which I still found towny but it’s not enough to change my current opinion on Quietbet. I was forced to reveal my identity and Zoomer stated suspicion on Quietbet, which I believe continues throughout the round, so that could be a reason for the NK. I state a TR on Quietbet, Floo, & Spartan, I’ve explained why here:
In post 105, flow trap wrote:It seemed like a town play to me, what scum wants this kind of negative attention this early on
In post 121, flow trap wrote:
In post 119, Salsabil Faria wrote:
In post 98, flow trap wrote:I'm leaning town on safe, floo and Spartan
Can you share the reasons?
Floo seems typical chaotic town and Spartan seems genuine here
… and Quietbet says that it was for reactions. In hindsight, this is slightly odd as there were already reactions just from the E-2. Zoomer continues their suspicion on Quietbet. I bluff SRing FaC because they weren’t doing much and I wanted to see how they responded (I also thought it would be more powerful, but there was little reaction). I also stated a mild suspicion on Zoomer which was true. Salsafairy puts a mild accusation on Quietbet:
In post 118, Salsabil Faria wrote:
In post 95, safebet222 wrote:
In post 93, esotericzoomer wrote:yeah i am 100% suspicious of safebet after that
Why? Like what motivation do I have to do that as scum?
If anyone/your scum partner hammered at that point, it would definitely benefit the team mafia cause
(i)
if you are the mafia then you know
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the day would over without discussing anything, the town would stay behind.
Can't find any town motivation from your E-1 vote.
… but later rescinds it after reading their response to Zoomer.
In post 120, Salsabil Faria wrote:
In post 99, safebet222 wrote:
In post 97, esotericzoomer wrote:
In post 95, safebet222 wrote:
In post 93, esotericzoomer wrote:yeah i am 100% suspicious of safebet after that
Why? Like what motivation do I have to do that as scum?
Where's your motivation to do that as town? There's no positives from dancing around flow traps wagon like this.
Reactions... Gotta have reactions to start getting somewhere.
Okay, fair enough...
This came off to me as not SvS, but that’s all I can say.
(I forgot to include my bluff suspicion on FaC (I found their reaction to be towny and non-panicky despite being an early sus) along with Salsafairy’s inquiry about it (which I find NAI), so I’ll mention it here)
We start page 5 with typical Salsafairy and normal conversation. Quick positive mention to floo of reinforcing their ideas. Then I post this:
In post 146, flow trap wrote:I have 2 reasons why I don't want to go on that, the first is interesting interactions as I've stated before, and the second I will not state as I do not feel it should be shared yet and it's still developing
The second reason was that I had a mild thought that Zoomer and Salsa were masons. Obviously, that didn’t stay as I voted Salsa in 218, so that’s not a reason for me to NK them. (Update from future Flow, I actually thought they were masons at a different time later, the second reason which I just remembered was the lack of resistance) Pages 7 & 8 are mostly me + dead players or discussing the dead, but I do like Quietbet’s sarcasm. Salsafairy gives some “reactions” but they don’t really add anything to the game, so sus that. Then I vote that, which was genuine, then Salsafairy decides to contribute, which is also suspicious. However, I have to give them some credit for their 226 read list. Then they go back to their suspicious non-Sequitur self and that’s the end of page 10.
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Post Post #1696 (ISO) » Tue Feb 02, 2021 12:51 pm

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Ah, I forgot to spoiler it, oh well
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Post Post #1697 (ISO) » Tue Feb 02, 2021 12:54 pm

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Note that "pages" is not referring to my document but rather the game pages
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Post Post #1698 (ISO) » Tue Feb 02, 2021 1:28 pm

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In post 1679, flow trap wrote:To Spartan/Quiet who would you go for in the case of Prism/Floo
I’d vote Floo. I’m still not sure why Spartian thinks they’re town exactly. I was willing to entertain it at the end of the day yesterday, but it’s today and I’m going to need quite a bit from floo to not want to vote them today.
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