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[DrippingGoofball]

i mean, it can't have been that hard when there are 8 votes and 7 of you refuse to even try to explain your votes.

Ceph, this is a large game, it's page 60, (total 200 pages if you add up the other game), let's not reach for smelling salts when a player gets wagon'ed.

[DrippingGoofball]

i'm fully aware that i look like an LLD partner right now but i am not going to let that stop me from pointing out that the game state is completely irrational.

It's

very

rational.

did i miss a daycop soft or something bc otherwise this post is, like, from space

Both mastina and I are voting LLD for reasons that overlap (that may be an artifact of mastina being so wordy, and I being so terse), and many players that aren't LLD's buddies agree.

How is that "from space?"

NO U

U from space

[Cephrir]

I mean, it can't really be rational when no reason is provided. Reason is like the root word of rational. I think.

[Ythan]

Votes are going to go somewhere. I guess I'd recommend presenting a more attractive alternative.

[Cephrir]

i mean, it can't have been that hard when there are 8 votes and 7 of you refuse to even try to explain your votes.

Ceph, this is a large game, it's page 60, (total 200 pages if you add up the other game), let's not reach for smelling salts when a player gets wagon'ed.

It's a little different fmpov because the wagon is on an important player who is a huge asset as town (and thus who scum would love an excuse to get out of the way, which if she's town, is being merrily provided by you). And I don't see anyone assembling a serious counterwagon either.

You could definitely be right, sure. I'm starting to feel that's a stronger possibility, but it's still not based on anything LLD has posted.

[Cephrir]

Votes are going to go somewhere. I guess I'd recommend presenting a more attractive alternative.

i could try putting some lipstick and a wig on hopkirk?

[Cephrir]

whatever. it's fine, i shouldn't care this much. im gonna go do something else.

[OkaPoka]

an attractive alternative like a50 anyone seriously how do you guys have townreads on him, nulls i guess is reasonable, but like townreads wtf

maybe some mastina probably not

[mastina]

don't worry oka I'm just voting you as a placeholder until I vote the super obv scum slots that no one but the great dannflor has been able to see yet

I realize this is probably not meant to be taken seriously--but it was genuinely this which is the first thing Dann's posted since the big turnaround-post of his that I've thought was town beyond Dannflor's scumrange.

You'd think it'd be the first half of the post. But no, it was specifically

this

half that made me think, genuinely, "Dann's town".

I don't know why tho, just gut.

[OkaPoka]

all in all yeah dann's probably town im just sad that im coming around more to it as he comes closer to twisting my neck and sending me to the shadow realm

[mastina]

some of the votes on both the LLD and the hercule wagon over the course of the day have been... really bad

I mean literally almost every hercule vote has been bad but I won't pretend that the Ythan/Oka votes on LLD were good; they weren't. So you won't have trouble convincing me certain slots could be scum, but other slots are a much harder sell.

[OkaPoka]

green pool

iv, hop, ceph, xtoxm, ythan, dann, herc

honestly anything goes

titus, agar, flakes, lld, dgb, jjh, dunn, duck

red pool

a50, mastina

is where my head is at atm

[mastina]

what is LLD town flip gonna tell you?

Honestly, LLD is the only player that I currently would classify as active with a high chance of flipping scum. (Oka's posting isn't truly 'active' and while he has a decent chance of flipping scum he's not a high chance of flipping scum.)

If LLD flipped town, it'd tell me that the scum is entirely in the less-active slots, mostly letting the LLD-herc fight happen. The slots I'd call qualifying for this would be {Titus, the worst, OkaPoka, Ythan, AGar}, loosely speaking.

But given that's largely my pool for scum regardless of LLD's alignment, honestly not much changes on her flip regardless of her alignment. I still think that Titus is scum, and while some in the pool may be more likely town/scum off of an LLD flip of a certain alignment, I still think this pool contains scum.

[DrippingGoofball]

I mean, it can't really be rational when no reason is provided. Reason is like the root word of rational. I think.

Abundant reasoning has been provided, but if you're scum not reading the game, it might have escaped your notice.

[DrippingGoofball]

green pool

iv, hop, ceph, xtoxm, ythan, dann, herc

honestly anything goes

titus, agar, flakes, lld, dgb, jjh, dunn, duck

red pool

a50, mastina

is where my head is at atm

Those reads are very original.

[mastina]

hercule
Hopkirk
innocentvillager
DrippingGoofball*

Dannflor**
DrippingGoofball*
Xtoxm***
Almost50
Cephrir
Winter Flakes (alt of Uncrowned)
Dunnstral
jjh927


Ythan
AGar

OkaPoka


the worst

Titus

Lady Lambdadelta

Loosely speaking. Townbloc strong townreads, weaker-initial-townreads-who-could-be-scum, ditto-but-actually-lean-scum, lean-scum, strong scumread, strongest scumread.

*DGB is a strong townread regardless of LLD's alignment, but if LLD is scum DGB at this point is beyond the realm of bussing so would indeed become locktown on an LLD-scumflip. But even IF LLD flipped town (I don't think she will), DGB would continue to be a strong townread, one of my strongest.

**Dannflor's here right now, but if I continue to see him make posts I don't think he can make as scum, expect him to move up into the townbloc.

***Xtoxm's the same caveat as before; he'd be in my townbloc if not for reasonable paranoia given my misread last game.

[hercule]

ok so I got a chance to speak with my team about some of my reads and this will be a bit of a 180 from earlier but

1) one of my teammates has convinced me that LLD was doing fakerage and that she does this exact kind of "gross fake AtE" as scum, and they're screaming at me that it's bullshit, which I am now believing. another teammate as well pointed out that she explictly said she's good at emoting as scum. honestly, like even just letting my instant reaction dissipate a bit I found myself cooling on the AtE and that was one of the main reasons I unvoted to begin with

2) petapan is very sure that Dunnstral is playing his towngame but he can't/won't explain it further than that so it's not really that helpful for me

3) spf agrees that A50 is town but peta, who A50 asked me to ask for reads on him, thought that nothing stands out as obviously town to him and that he has some scummy posts

so I guess I will downgrade A50 slightly from my town block but more importantly I'm willing to lethal LLD, which I'm sure will bring much joy to some players at this table

VOTE: Lady LambdaDelta

and yes I know Oka voted them and put them at L-3 so I want to make this very clear that I am putting them intentionally at L-2

[hercule]

feels good tbh

[mastina]

Yaknow what let's actually make things a bit simpler on the readslist.

hercule
Hopkirk
innocentvillager

Dannflor
DrippingGoofball
Xtoxm

Almost50
Cephrir
Winter Flakes (alt of Uncrowned)
Dunnstral
jjh927


Ythan
AGar

OkaPoka


the worst

Titus

Lady Lambdadelta

Loosely speaking. Townbloc, townbloc-lite(almost in townbloc but held back), strong townreads, weaker-initial-townreads-who-could-be-scum, ditto-but-actually-lean-scum, lean-scum, strong scumread, strongest scumread.

[hercule]

why is DGB on your list twice @mastina did you move them up a tier

[hercule]

green pool

iv, hop, ceph, xtoxm, ythan, dann, herc

honestly anything goes

titus, agar, flakes, lld, dgb, jjh, dunn, duck

red pool

a50, mastina

is where my head is at atm

you need to explain the mastina scumread sooner rather than later

[OkaPoka]

get this xd

UNVOTE:

okay did not get what i expected out of mastina going to recalibrate

[hercule]

get this xd

UNVOTE:

okay did not get what i expected out of mastina going to recalibrate

what were you expecting?

[Ythan]

Oka you are incomprehensible right now.

[OkaPoka]

your going to love me but a political move of me to town

i was testing a theory but obv did not hold maybe i poisoned the well butttttttt im going to go think it over