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[Lunar Martian]

I have two suspects and two lims remaining.

[Gamma Emerald]

I really don't see how you got to ejji being off the table based on reading the last 5 pages

[Lunar Martian]

I really don't see how you got to ejji being off the table based on reading the last 5 pages

Is it frustrating that I won't vote there? Is that why you're having to resort to pushing me?

[Gamma Emerald]

No, I'm trying to figure out why your PoE is the way it is, in order to determine your alignment
unless you can effectively address the above concern I'm left to conclude you're scum who's letting your perspective slip.

[Lunar Martian]

No, I'm trying to figure out why your PoE is the way it is, in order to determine your alignment
unless you can effectively address the above concern I'm left to conclude you're scum who's letting your perspective slip.

Trying to strongarm me into doing what you want is not what Town does.

VOTE: Gamma

[Lunar Martian]

I've explained my perspective.

[Gamma Emerald]

I haven't gotten the memo, so maybe you could at least tl;dr it? I don't want to have to fucking close-read the thread rn

[Gamma Emerald]

If I were scum I could very much just take things as they seem from you, you don't exactly make yourself the towniest person
But I'm actually asking questions because I seek to understand you here.

[Lunar Martian]

It's within my last 20 posts. Mafia wouldn't make that play and it doesnt override my previous Townread.

[Lunar Martian]

If I were scum I could very much just take things as they seem from you, you don't exactly make yourself the towniest person
But I'm actually asking questions because I seek to understand you here.

You seek to seem as though you seek to understand me. That's different.

[Gamma Emerald]

Potentially
but do you disagree that I could just push you on the things I'm trying to ask questions about?

[Lunar Martian]

For the same reason the questions are bogus the push would be bogus too. I've already stated this stuff.

[Gamma Emerald]

Two Mafia backups makes the game a lot less swingy, because there's not really any scenario where Mafia has a chance of winning the game where they don't at some point gain access to the hood. The game could get thrown out of whack with only one back-up who dies early. This also suggests that maybe Ejji could be Mafia, but I still think there's no reason for Ejji as Mafia to hard defend me the way he did.

So it looks like your main point is his hard defense of you doesn't seem like what scum would do
Why?

[Gamma Emerald]

zzzzzz
you're not posting anything that actually looks like it could come from town over scum rn

[Lunar Martian]

Did you read the game?

[Gamma Emerald]

Yes
Why you such a bitch about explaining stuff again?

[Luca Blight]

At this point I'm just going to assume scum is either ejj or Lunar.

Lunar's has become very erratic and reactive since the Bugspray elim, which seems more likely to come from scum as it was a pretty comfy position for Town. I don't get Lunar's stance on ejj, either. It would make sense from a scum!Lunar perspective to bring ejj to LYLO where it would be an easy win from there.

[Luca Blight]

And also ejj has hard Townread Lunar, so that would be another reason to bring them to LYLO.

[Luca Blight]

The Frogster kill makes sense from Lunar as Frogster has tunneled Lunar most of the game.

[Lunar Martian]

There's no chance there's two Mafia left right? Jeez one of you is struggling here. Luca why are you excluding Gamma from consideration?

[Luca Blight]

1) I think you and ejj are more likely scum

2) Gamma has been fairly townie all game

3) I don't think two scum back-up neighbors makes sense

[Luca Blight]

I'll need to review Gamma again to be sure, but that's where I stand right now.

[Luca Blight]

You haven't explained why you are excluding ejj from consideration.

[Luca Blight]

If you're Town then you're going to throw the game the way you're playing anyway.

I think I prefer a Lunar elim today.

[joqiza]

Some brief notes on pgs 21 through 30.

Spoiler: Notes

21 through 30:

- By page 21, 509, Luca is already hard tunneling Bugs
- Luca mentions that bugs/Lunar have competing wagons in 511 but bug isn't really acknowledging the Lunar wagon
- I think I've mentioned 521 and 524 from Mom before, I think this is a decent look for Luca, as Mom seems to be trying to convince them off their bugs read.
- Gamma votes Lunar in 548
- Bugs wagon is dissolving a bit by pg 23, see VC in 550. NPOM and Luca are still on it.
- bugs puts Lunar at L-1 in 551. Some follow-up discussion around their vote.
- bugs asks Lunar to claim; Lunar doesn't claim
- Gamma mentions they think bugs is scummy in 609
- Lunar outs SvS case on bugs/Lunar in 702
- Momentum switches back to a bugs wagon with 707 and Gamma's switch back to bugs in 708

I think so far the rr is making me feel better about Gamma. I already felt good about Luca but the read is reinforcing that, too.

Another thing worth noting is that Luca was teamreading Lunar/bugs from very early in the game. Frog also outed the case on Lunar/bugs on d3, iirc. Despite this, scum!Lunar would have had to go ahead and hardbus anyway. Which is a bit of an interesting decision for scum to make.

Will pick this back up tmrw.