Newbie 2051: Iceland! - End!

[flow trap]

that is a good question. In a Prism, quiet, flow trap town world, floo + spartian kill fairy cause doctor, they think prism is sus for not dying, they think killing prism would get floo voted, and thats about the only other reasons I can think of. I'd have to review fairy's play to see if they were suspicious within those two slots. Fairy was explicitly not suspicious of floo.

But floo would be maf in that scenario, so why would they want to get themselves voted?

[Prism]

For quiet, I don't really have too much to say about your paragraph to me. I appreciate it and yeah, continuing to sort me today would be a huge waste of time.

You say it was mostly fishing. This makes sense but you went pretty far out of your way to sell it w/ the multi posts which is...admirable? Or a post-facto explanation? Wack.

[Prism]

I have my own thoughts on the NK analysis but I'm going to wait to interject until I finish rereading flow trap.

[Prism]

Hot and cold definitely happens depending on the context you're talking about. I'm trying to be a town synergist, but this doesn't mean being nice all the time. This means figuring out what works to get the most out of each player.

In your case flow trap I've tried both good cop and bad cop to...mixed results. Yesterday with the deadline ticking I was a lot more pressing/threatening, both because you legitimately had a high chance of me voting you Day 3 (less now than I felt at the time) and because I was very desperate to get you to take a stance. I am sure that from your perspective, the last 48 hours of Day 2 were protown in some way, but to me it was strictly -town in the sense that it made it virtually impossible to sort you as town, and there were giant benefits to playing so passively as scum. I've legitimately gotten annoyed two/three times, sometimes moving on or sometimes being snappy to see if I could get something out of you with it.

I have no complaints about your play/content today.

[Prism]

Reading these flow trap posts in the 100s/200s and comparing them to now is amazing, this the type of stuff that inspired Matchbox Twenty to write "How Far We've Come"

[flow trap]

This is actually an interesting F5, we have 2 pairs of people TRing each other, so (from my POV) it's either a double pocket or the mafia has some guts to TR each other

I don't like it, I find all pairs weird

[Prism]

This is really strange to say especially given how snappy I was Day 2 but like I am legitimately proud of you, the quality of your reads/posts and your willingness to dialogue on an even playing field has shot way up. Even if you're mafia I mean that, the walls are good work.

[Prism]

I mean typically the pairoffs mean there's 1-1 and floo literally AFKing for two days doesn't help, but I think the ball is really in Spartan's court to prove he's town atm given that he has not justified anything on floo.

[Prism]

I still die a bit inside reading about not being vulnerable to bias and not expecting you to be truthful as town but we can agree to disagree

[Prism]

I mean they do have 7 days

Is there a reason you're trying to alleviate the pressure I'm applying?

If you think it's a bad push, explain why. Saying this just gets in the way for 0 reason.

OK I forgot how much this tilted me off the face of the earth, this one was not me playing good cop/bad cop

[Prism]

Mild suspicion on Prism, Quiet, & FaC for that NK

This is talking about the Esoteric shot-why'd you feel this way?

[Prism]

Okay, still pretty neutral on flow trap.

My questions that stick out are:

1) Can you explain more about your Spartan/Quiet votes Day 2? Do you still think me/floo is town v. town?
2) I'm still really confused as to what you meant by defensive stance, I don't understand why you said said your vote on Quiet was because you suspected them only to say the reverse later. At face value this just looks like a scumslip. Can you please walk me through this as though I am 5 years old?

[Prism]

Since it seems like this conversation is over for the moment I'll circle back with my thoughts.

If the Team is indeed Floo+Spartan, what reason would they not NK Prism and NK Fairy, after all You (Quiet) and I both TR Prism

This is what is worrying me the most, especially if it does go to Prism v Floo; Quiet+Prism doesn't make that much sense either

You've had me as a townlean and have been skeptical of me all game. Quiet is explicitly paranoid. Assuming both of you are town, if either of you wind up voting me today, the game is over. On the other hand, if Spartan is town I am left alive 100% of the time.

My idea behind a fairy shot is that there are both pros to shooting them and cons to shooting outside. I'm never voting the slot, I am probably forcing the vote between myself and floo today so it's not likely to get voted by someone else, it's obviously town if/when floo flips, and it's been hostile to both yourself and Spartan.

Shooting me alleviates some pressure on floo but instantly gives my views more credence, and are unlikely kills for the goal eliminations like quiet/fairy. There may or may not be a doctor as well, disincentivizing a shot on me.

The fact that floo has been AFK thus far does not tell me floo-scum is optimistic in their ability to dodge a vote regardless.

[quiet]

You say it was mostly fishing. This makes sense but you went pretty far out of your way to sell it w/ the multi posts which is...admirable? Or a post-facto explanation? Wack.

eh, my fear and anxiety is real. but that's a life thing, not a game thing. Not all that hard to just turn off my filters and let that internal voice post a bit. I wish I was the kind of player that just, like, had that incredible confidence to not be constantly questioning and doubting what I consider to be a really strong townread, but i've still got that voice in my head telling me I'm going to get rolled, that I'm missing something obvious, that I'm just way in the pocket.

It felt really important (and still does, though less so than it would have if I'd just let it be for a bit) to see if anyone would jump on the opportunity to push at you, if that was a part of the angle from keeping you alive. It didn't happen, which makes keeping you alive from scum perspective even more interesting. Something something fairy NK something.

In other news, most of your reads on me have been about like this; "it could be town! or real talented scum. hrm". Something to deal with tmmrw if we both make it there.

[quiet]

if Spartan is town I am left alive 100% of the time.

you were explicitly suspicious of spartian yesterday?

Remind me where this take is coming from

[floo]

I'm here. Been busy lately, but I've seen all the flips and finished reading D2. Will read D3 (hopefully) but here are my thoughts on the flips:

Interesting that the Mafia team here prefers to kill widely townread players instead of aggressive posters. That suggests that the scum have the confidence, determination, and perceived skill to attack and defend well in LYLO or other high-stakes situations. Perhaps because they are the aggressive players themselves.

[Prism]

Welcome to being respected as a player. The better you are, the wider your range is, and the harder it is to get townread.

...Or you can let towngames completely take over your life for days/weeks at a time. That works too.

[Prism]

Interesting that the Mafia team here prefers to kill widely townread players instead of aggressive posters. That suggests that the scum have the confidence, determination, and perceived skill to attack and defend well in LYLO or other high-stakes situations. Perhaps because they are the aggressive players themselves.

This is a nice roundabout way of calling me scum lmao, proud of you

[Prism]

if Spartan is town I am left alive 100% of the time.

you were explicitly suspicious of spartian yesterday?

Remind me where this take is coming from

You're misreading this, it's not that I'm likely to vote Spartan, it's that Spartan is likely to vote me over floo.

[quiet]

Interesting that the Mafia team here prefers to kill widely townread players instead of aggressive posters. That suggests that the scum have the confidence, determination, and perceived skill to attack and defend well in LYLO or other high-stakes situations. Perhaps because they are the aggressive players themselves.

oh my god this goddamn game, thanks I hate it

welcome back, good to have you here, from flips alone and just straight gut feel, no other catch up, no re-reading, {flow trap, spartian}, choose one or both as scum.

[quiet]

You're misreading this, it's not that I'm likely to vote Spartan, it's that Spartan is likely to vote me over floo.

ah, thank you, the opposite angle of what I was thinking. okay, sensible enough.

[Prism]

Also fairy was literally A) more aggressive than me overall B) less townread, what are you even talking about?

[quiet]

also @floo isn't killing widely TRed players...like...how you win most of the time as scum?

also was EZ super widely townread?

[quiet]

In post 1768, Prism wrote:
You're misreading this, it's not that I'm likely to vote Spartan, it's that Spartan is likely to vote me over floo.
ah, thank you, the opposite angle of what I was thinking. okay, sensible enough.

See here's the thing about that, though, is I'd expect them to be pushing you at this point if that was the case. Like, I'd expect the floo vs. Prism thing to have emerged at this point, and it really hasn't. Is my intuition way off there?

[quiet]

Like in a townSpartian world where they're trying to get spartian to vote you, doesn't someone, anyone, jump on board my paranoia trip?

We got floo coming in with the plausable shade, but that feels soft compared to what could have happened earlier today to support townSpartian's suspicion on you, to fuel the fire of a floo vs Prism spartian re-enact 300 defend floo from an army of Prisms type situation.