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mm, okay response. huge activity spike. probably nai.
In post 1774, Dunnstral wrote:The implication that I never say "I like x" as town is wrong
I did it in Tenet, I did it in the last run of this of this setup
misrepping me like this isn't going to help me trust you. there are no instances of it in v1. there's one post where you quote me say "i dont like this read"..but that doesn'tIn post 1593, Xtoxm wrote:the tell itself is not absolute - there are some instances of him doing it as town - but they are much rarer. people may cheery pick these to refute our casereallymatch what we've been looking for.
the claim isn't that you don't provide insight as scum (you do as both aligns), or that you never make empty posts as town..its that it happensmore oftenas scum.
i don't really wanna get bogged down on the meta stuff tho. it's supplementary.
i'll reassess the read if im given reasons to.Smooth as silk when he's scum, and very much capable of running things from behind the scenes while appearing to be doing minimal effort. - Almost50
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In post 1795, Cephrir wrote:I feel like that post does have reasons, so do you mean something in forgetting about by "the big tell"In post 1593, Xtoxm wrote:instances of dunn doing it this game:In post 1053, Dunnstral wrote:I like Dannflor for town after thinking about it. I always have, but I'm less reserved about this read. I don't buy into mastina's case hereIn post 1053, Dunnstral wrote:I agree that a50 looks like town. Not a strong readIn post 1055, Dunnstral wrote:And I don't like DGB on 37In post 1055, Dunnstral wrote:And I do like Dann, Ceph, jjh, and to a cautious extent lldIn post 1571, Dunnstral wrote:The worst/Winter Flakes/Titus: This group feels unreadable for me; I want to say there's probably scum in this groupDunnstral wrote:DGB feels vaguely good but don't trust me to read there.Dunnstral wrote:Hercule looks genuinely towny now that we've moved past the early stuffDunnstral wrote:Titus, A50, ABR, I have no idea.Dunnstral wrote:Never played with Ythan, keeping an eye out here now that IV has cased themDunnstral wrote:the worst is unimpressiveDunnstral wrote:OkaPoka I'm trusting other people that he's town. I don't have any problems with them.- OkaPoka
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townIn post 1803, OkaPoka wrote:thoughts on dgb @xtoxm?Smooth as silk when he's scum, and very much capable of running things from behind the scenes while appearing to be doing minimal effort. - Almost50
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I think me saying "feels vaguely good" is the same meaning even if the word choice isn't exactly the sameIn post 1802, Xtoxm wrote:mm, okay response. huge activity spike. probably nai.
In post 1774, Dunnstral wrote:The implication that I never say "I like x" as town is wrong
I did it in Tenet, I did it in the last run of this of this setup
misrepping me like this isn't going to help me trust you. there are no instances of it in v1. there's one post where you quote me say "i dont like this read"..but that doesn'tIn post 1593, Xtoxm wrote:the tell itself is not absolute - there are some instances of him doing it as town - but they are much rarer. people may cheery pick these to refute our casereallymatch what we've been looking for.
the claim isn't that you don't provide insight as scum (you do as both aligns), or that you never make empty posts as town..its that it happensmore oftenas scum.
i don't really wanna get bogged down on the meta stuff tho. it's supplementary.
i'll reassess the read if im given reasons to.
And there are other examples int he post I quoted- DrippingGoofball
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My LLD scumread is not in a vacuum.
I know I am terse, and I don't usually wall post. So let me try a little harder to convince you all.
- You can see in the posts above (https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12572656), in real time, how I viewed LLD's blustery game start totally discrediting mastina as scummy. It could have been good-natured ribbing, which I considered, but LLD came in like a sledgehammer. LLD made a full series of posts trying to de-fang mastina's future scumhunting. I detected a hint of trying to demoralize her. LLD tends to be over the top, but this was over the top even for her:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12559295
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12559296
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12559301
These posts are LLD pre-emptively, and aggressively neutralizing mastina.
- If I had any doubt that LLD wanted to neutralize mastina, these doubts vanished when LLD literally voted hercule to put her money where her mouth is, so to speak. Then LLD makes a case on hercule after deciding that using mastina as an absolute compassto solve the game (even if in reverse). At the time of LLD's case, I wasn't sure about hercule's entry post, she might have had a point, but later I began to town read hercule and I saw it from a different perspective.
- Now, I know I'm not going to convince anyone but myself with how I found LLD's scum ego post scummy, but to be transparent in my thinking, I found it scummy in the context of the neutralization of mastina, and based on mastina's supposed bad reads, manufacturing a case on hercule off the cuff. It was a huge wall of manipulation that didn't come from a townie mindset.
- I found the rage/anger/AtE to be hollow and insincere (that's a matter of personal interpretation, I realize). I usually respond to AtE, I am one of the site's biggest sucker for AtE. So, AtE has to be pretty bad not to move me. LLD's AtE left me completely cold, which is astonishing.
- Now she's strategically lurking as her scumpals manufacture a counterwagon on her attacker.
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im struggling to put that read to words in the same way i can with dunn
i could give some reasons probably but they will sound dumbSmooth as silk when he's scum, and very much capable of running things from behind the scenes while appearing to be doing minimal effort. - Almost50
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you were the only wolf i townread at endgame - the worst- Cephrir
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Mm, okay. I imputed the, like, contrapositive or something.In post 1804, Dunnstral wrote:In post 1795, Cephrir wrote:I feel like that post does have reasons, so do you mean something in forgetting about by "the big tell"In post 1593, Xtoxm wrote:instances of dunn doing it this game:In post 1053, Dunnstral wrote:I like Dannflor for town after thinking about it. I always have, but I'm less reserved about this read. I don't buy into mastina's case hereIn post 1053, Dunnstral wrote:I agree that a50 looks like town. Not a strong readIn post 1055, Dunnstral wrote:And I don't like DGB on 37In post 1055, Dunnstral wrote:And I do like Dann, Ceph, jjh, and to a cautious extent lldIn post 1571, Dunnstral wrote:The worst/Winter Flakes/Titus: This group feels unreadable for me; I want to say there's probably scum in this groupDunnstral wrote:DGB feels vaguely good but don't trust me to read there.Dunnstral wrote:Hercule looks genuinely towny now that we've moved past the early stuffDunnstral wrote:Titus, A50, ABR, I have no idea.Dunnstral wrote:Never played with Ythan, keeping an eye out here now that IV has cased themDunnstral wrote:the worst is unimpressiveDunnstral wrote:OkaPoka I'm trusting other people that he's town. I don't have any problems with them."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener- Dunnstral
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but you are stronger on LLD scum than dunn scum?In post 1811, Xtoxm wrote:im struggling to put that read to words in the same way i can with dunn
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until tonights flurry dunn was the stronger read, i think lld is now. lld feels more important to elim gamestate wise.In post 1815, OkaPoka wrote:
but you are stronger on LLD scum than dunn scum?In post 1811, Xtoxm wrote:im struggling to put that read to words in the same way i can with dunn
i could give some reasons probably but they will sound dumbSmooth as silk when he's scum, and very much capable of running things from behind the scenes while appearing to be doing minimal effort. - Almost50
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basically
-i townread pretty much the entire wagon
-she asked to boped on hercule. i have a mega tr on hercule i feel like i dont need to mis elim him first for that.
-there was a moment where i was talking to dunn and i didnt feel he was being townie at all and lld came in and called dunn town and it sounded really fake
-the wagon feels hardstuck and that makes me think its a situation like last game where scum are just refusing to bus
i think theres more but im super tired rnSmooth as silk when he's scum, and very much capable of running things from behind the scenes while appearing to be doing minimal effort. - Almost50
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Nobody was willing to explain the wagon at all until very recentlyIn post 1818, Xtoxm wrote:-the wagon feels hardstuck and that makes me think its a situation like last game where scum are just refusing to bus
It wasn't stuck, the fact that it got to that many votes was silly- Xtoxm
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perhaps a little
but i do feel like lld red flip would strongly imply the wagon parkers are town cus i dont think scum would be wanting to bus her
if its green i need to shake up my game view
this is why shes a good gamestate flipSmooth as silk when he's scum, and very much capable of running things from behind the scenes while appearing to be doing minimal effort. - Almost50
Xtoxm is consistently great - Shosin
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I mean it got to E-2In post 1818, Xtoxm wrote:-the wagon feels hardstuck and that makes me think its a situation like last game where scum are just refusing to bus
and I know I'm one of those refusing to vote LLD but I'm town so it's harder for me to buy this reasoning- Dannflor
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i think this is the best reason you have (whether or not I agree with it, idk where exactly it is even) and I'd be interested in anything else you/auro have that has specifically to do with what LLD has doneIn post 1818, Xtoxm wrote:-there was a moment where i was talking to dunn and i didnt feel he was being townie at all and lld came in and called dunn town and it sounded really fake
when you're less tired if need be- Lady Lambdadelta
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It's honestly hilarious. I leave and the argument switches to LLD is lurking to let her scumbuddies bail her out!
Ignoring the fact that makes zero sense and has a much worse chance of saving my life, and if I do die would make all my scumbuddies in worse positions.
So just bad logic all around.
But even ignoring that, the best part about it is that it's post facto logic. There is no longer an attempt to actually read my actions, and then decide my alignment.
They're trying to take my actions and force them into an allignment.
Which is why the "the wagon is stalllinggggg" argument is being made, because while it is now technically true because people are starting to come around on me being town, it is also a functionally bad argument because it says nothing about my alignment ESPECIALLY when I got to 8/10 needed votes to eliminate basically on thin air.
So, to summize, there are players pushing my wagon based on thin air, using post facto logic and bad reasonsings.
Not all of them can be scum, but the ones who are blindly saying stuff like "it has to be LLD today" "LLD gives the most info" are definitely runnign behind the mass idiocy that got us here.
I do not think all of DGB/Xtom/Hercule can be town. I'm not sure if there's more than 1 scum in it but I think they can't all be town this game.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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