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[Dunnstral]

While I love the wagons for VCA, I still think these are T v T.

Based on what?

[Titus]

While I love the wagons for VCA, I still think these are T v T.

Based on what?

My reads on DGB and LLD.

I feel this has been a group of people moving around from town to town.

LLD fosed Hercule.
Hercule wagon takes.
LLD wagon in response due to her push on someone regarded as town.
DGB lead that charge.
LLD wagon won't take.
Therefore wagon DGB.

We're punishing people who make wagons rather than the scum sheeping and starting up drama.

[innocentvillager]

ah i see you are a subscriber to the flanndor theory yes?

[AGar]

I'm not gonna look up all the posts you quoted without tags (I can't believe I did that last game) but how is "Hercule has dipped out since pressure has seemingly dissipated on him" your take on the last couple days? I dipped out when the pressure on me was explicitly High in order to just take a breather from the game and approach it back with a clear mind

Ceph, wagoning LLD has been like pulling teeth, her buddies are NOT bus'ing. We townies will have to do it without scum's help.

This probably the best argument for Scum!LLD I have seen so far. It's not a

perfect

argument (because sometimes Scum try to avoid the prevailing wagon to saw confusion when the eliminated flips Town. Some of us will want to eliminate ON the wagon and some off it, but the popular argument would always be "Scum

must

gave been on it", so 0-1 Scum on a Town flip on D1 increases the Scum win probability by like 50%). However, I can guarantee Scum are reluctant to bus LLD is she is on the red side.

How can it be the best argument when it isn't even true? Like there hasn't been resistance to an LLD wagon, because resistance would imply there's been action taken to push a wagon more than DGB just pleading with players without any basis of why. DGB finally put a case together I think I saw, but that's the first actual attempt to generate momentum outside of "Vote LLD with me plz," and that got LLD to like L-2.

Everything else you said is just straight up theorycraft and useless.

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1708, if it were a proper description, just looks like good ol' fashioned reaction based scumhunting to me, and a mad scumbag that got caught. :shrug:

@DGB

, re: 1787 Yeah see that's not convincing, nor does that make me feel like there's been resistance to the LLD wagon. It makes me feel the opposite - that we got there way too easily if that's the genesis of things. 1810 is a better rallying cry if you want to argue that there's a push being made and there's resistance... the case itself just falls flat with me. *shrug*

perhaps a little
but i do feel like lld red flip would strongly imply the wagon parkers are town cus i dont think scum would be wanting to bus her
if its green i need to shake up my game view
this is why shes a good gamestate flip

This is whew boy fucking terrible reasoning. Like, props for saying it out loud that you really just think yeeting a strong player is a good play so you can affirm your reads but god damn.

This is a desperation argument btw.

Scum don't want the LLD flip to slip through their fingers, because when I flip green it's not really gonna be Xtom people look at it'll be hercule, dgb, mastina, IV.

VOTE: Xtoxm

Scum don't want a green LLD flip to compromise them? Hahaha I've been begging every player individually, everyone of them would have been shielded by claiming to do to make me happy.

This... was not the point LLD made?

[AGar]

Ah fuck, I never responded to the Hercule post:

I'm not gonna look up all the posts you quoted without tags (I can't believe I did that last game) but how is "Hercule has dipped out since pressure has seemingly dissipated on him" your take on the last couple days? I dipped out when the pressure on me was explicitly High in order to just take a breather from the game and approach it back with a clear mind

I mean, it was a chunk of 30ish pages to be read and you were just MIA without word which felt like a direct contrast to how you've been present, and I freely admit that I'm really not looking at timestamps on those notes - they're pretty well stream of consciousness reading and typing out thoughts. I do like how that was the one point you honed in on, because that's like... the least consequential of anything I mentioned.

[OkaPoka]

so titus whatcha going to do about the current "tvt" gamestate then?

[OkaPoka]

can i get a quick check from duck/lld/titus/flakes on how much they've read because you guys haven't explicitly engaged with much of the game for various reasons just wondering

[OkaPoka]

i guess jjh too

[innocentvillager]

let's wagon OkaPoka, who started the wagon on DGB

[OkaPoka]

but then if you start a wagon on me we'd have to start a wagon on you? we're in a time loop!

[jjh927]

I've read the whole game and continue to keep up with it

[jjh927]

I have decided to do grace you with a readslist but in a new format because I have decided that henceforth I will be either chumreading, ummreading, or scumreading people. I believe this system is self explanatory.

Chums

mastina
Xtoxm
Okapoka
Dannflor
hercule
DrippingGoofball
Winter flakes
InnocentVillager
Hopkirk
Almost50

Umms

Titus
LLD
Cephrir
Ythan

Scums

the worst
AGar
Dunnstral

Disclaimer: The categories of this readslist do not represent a level of confidence on any of these reads. Reads are not ordered by confidence. This is not actually a hard commitment to the CUS system because future me might decide it's stupid.

[Cephrir]

im offended

[OkaPoka]

no idea what to make of that readslist tbh

[jjh927]

no idea what to make of that readslist tbh

What do you make of any readslist

[jjh927]

Honestly I don't know why I've never thought of chumreading people in the past because it just sounds so much more fun

[OkaPoka]

sometimes a readslist is helpful i guess but usually they are only helpful if accompanied by explanation so that's probably it you should write a line about everyone

[Dannflor]

125 words double spaced

[jjh927]

sometimes a readslist is helpful i guess but usually they are only helpful if accompanied by explanation so that's probably it you should write a line about everyone

That isn't even how I used to do readslists and I'm certainly not starting now

If you want to know about specific reads you can ask about them
That way I get to know who you're interested in and we get specific lines of discussion etc

[OkaPoka]

i suppose - why is a50 a chum? (how do people even have a read on this slot tbh)

how is LLD is an umm? (id expect a strong opinion on this slot from everyone? actually what is an umm is that a null read or uncategorized etc.

[DrippingGoofball]

Honestly I don't know why I've never thought of chumreading people in the past because it just sounds so much more fun

I shall henceforth adopt this nomenclature, good Sir!

[DrippingGoofball]

no idea what to make of that readslist tbh

What??? It's perfectly reasonable.

[OkaPoka]

you have no questions about jjh's readslist? id imagine unless you had a fleshed out/specific reason otherwise, any grouping of reads would want to put a50, flakes, ythan, titus, worst together.

unless you agree with the placements of these 5?

[jjh927]

Umms is for anyone that I'm struggling to fit into either the chums or scums category for any reason.

I haven't put much thought into why I chumread A50 ngl, I think I've seen some underlying thought processes floating about that look like things A50 thinks about in mafia games

LLD is an ummread because I don't have the faintest idea what alignment LLD is at this time. When I approach it logically I think I could hedge my bets statistically and say she is a chum because most people are town but that line of reasoning hasn't convinced me to say she's a chum, partly because I think she's more likely to be scum than the average player in this game- especially with the number of chumreads I am confident in- but not likely enough to be listed as a scumread for me right now because that is reserved for people I think are very likely to flip scum.

[jjh927]

you have no questions about jjh's readslist? id imagine unless you had a fleshed out/specific reason otherwise, any grouping of reads would want to put a50, flakes, ythan, titus, worst together.

unless you agree with the placements of these 5?

You're gonna have to explain that one to me