Newbie 2051: Iceland! - End!

[fferyllt]

Vote Count 3-4

But really, everywhere you look in Iceland, there is evidence of volcanic activity. The folded, undulating layers of stone making up this cliff are mugearite, a type of basalt, and benmoreite, an igneous rock.

Not Voting

(5): flow trap, Spartan117, Quick, floo, Prism

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to eliminate.

Deadline: February 9, Midnight US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2021-02-09 21:00:00)

Mod Notes:

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[Prism]

I will not flail when I have nothing more to say that will convince you

That is a good point

Ahhhh why do Floo and Prism both sound town

You're going to have to explain this to me. This is his first time even trying to convince me. It took me voting him to get this far after multiple gamedays of trying. He still has not seriously engaged with my content or tried to sort me at all other than the weird non-read he gave in his wall yesterday.

That wall is also a flail. He is actively trying to convince me not to vote him with AtE. In contrast, there has not been a single time this game where floo has seriously engaged with my content with the intention of sorting my slot. Where is the town intent behind this?

[Prism]

All of the first/third paragraph are giant AtEs.

EBWOP

[Prism]

Floo's Prism Read Progression

I agree that is true but I don't see why he is even somewhat vindicated when he was being scumread before them interactions occurred, Floo how do you feel about Prism? Would you be willing to join a wagon on them today?

I don't townread Prism. A lot of vote pressure/suspicion would be the best way to get a read out of

a player who stays under the radar by just contributing a lot. I'm open to voting Prism,

but I would prefer voting Salsabil Faria, who stays out of suspicion for the same reason as Prism.

???

SCUMPOOL

Order of confidence is Prism least -> Fred -> fairy most

Prism: High effort is my first impression. At the end of D2 I see a (perhaps pretended) annoyance running under his strategy, impairing it at times. I sometimes get the feeling that he imagines himself as the town superhero savior. Influential in organizing votes, reads have changed considerably - a suspicious event was the sudden flow trap threatened vote (that wasn't really an actual scumread) and backing off now.

The level of effort and attempted scumhunting is impressive though and balances out the scummy deviations for a nullread. Would need to see which of his pushes bear fruit to town/scumlean this slot.

First off how does this even match up with the first post, second off this a non-read well into the 1500s, third again I am still curious as to what fruit you were hoping for from my pushes given I was hardshoving you and cooking up different ways to get Frederick/flow trap to critically engage with the game.

VOTE: floo Very comfortable moving back.

[Prism]

Prism looks really bad if I'm voted out today.

I think Prism being scum only makes sense if Fairy is scum though.

I'm not scumleaning Prism atm, but I find that becoming more annoyed, stressed, and determined on single-handedly saving the town creates a good excuse for leading a miselim.

...Is there a reason you started out this day instantly throwing shade on me twice after seeing Fairy nightkilled?

[Prism]

This can go in 1828

I have not read enough of Prism, Spartan, or Quiet (safebet) yet to make an informed read.

Again, contribute a lot, voting me for pressure might be a good way to sort me, say we skip the "flying under the radar" bit (???), but has spent all game refusing to engage with/read into the content I had given.

Spartan, really eager for an answer as to why this slot is town to you.

[Prism]

You can argue that 1058 is just poor wording and 1548 is the same sort of fencesitting that flow trap/Spartan have done.

In contrast though the like 3 walls he's written about why the Salsabil post was legitimately hunting have failed to include any real possibility that her emotions could be legitimate as town and the two posts at the start of the day were nonsensical. I am not inclined to give this slot the benefit of the doubt anymore, and yes, I am willing to do whatever it takes to force this slot through in absence of a blitz.

[Prism]

Eh, actually, this is definitely me getting worked up and digging the trench. There are serious, serious problems with this slot and the daystart. He definitely made some convoluted walls that missed the point on Salsabil, and that is trying to convince/engage with me even if it's minimal in scope, with AtE now as the last resort.

I think it's scum and my vote stays but I'm going to slow down a bit, it's counterproductive if I'm getting worked up, the game becomes unreadable, and I let rigor go out the window.

[Prism]

I'm going to cede the floor to other for a bit. We're all waiting on Spartan and to a lesser extent flow trap. These voices are important.

[Prism]

Sorry, mind doesn't ever turn off.

Quiet-why were you aiming for voting in 12-24 hours as opposed to something longer?

[Spartan117]

Ive been struggling a lot with things irl and am very sorry to have kept you all waiting, I aim to put a lot more effort in over the weekend, I am going to repond to a couple things since I last posted then re-read through Floos iso to point out my thoughts.

In contrast you're hard townreading floo, you/flow trap have me as a lukewarm townlean last I checked, and both of you are still alive

This.
Spartian, is there a chance that town!You is alive to continue defending floo here?

Though I wonder why they wouldn't shoot Prism in that case, who has by far the strongest floo SR, other than doctor WIFOM or because they think that shot makes it obvious. Still, seems worth discussing.

I think this is a very interesting point, and one i had not thought of before, i think in terms of the idea that keeping me alive to defend them, there has been more interaction between myself and prism, and i have been more worried about prisms slot than i was Sals/fairys swo there could be something in that not sure, if in the event it is scumfloo then nk prism looks worse for them as prism was actively going against and pushing them, while fairy was still formulating reads, if anything its like you know what you are getting with prism while it might have been the case that as fairy was more of an unopened box it was safer not to let it open, idk

[Spartan117]

@flow trap, do you like volcanos? Am I being dumb to consider those two as partners?

Yes & No

If it comes down to Prism v Floo, I'm

highly

requesting Quiet/Spartan to

not

place votes until I do; it will basically have the same outcome but protect against a Spartan+Prism/Floo+Quiet team

This is fine from your perspective, but from our perspective what about a flow trap+floo or prism+flowtrap team?

[Spartan117]

I have been trying to read through all the posts, ive not seen anything specific that i think i need to directly answer that takes precedence over my read of floo, let me go read through then after i have shared that i will need to sleep.

[flow trap]

I will not flail when I have nothing more to say that will convince you

That is a good point

Ahhhh why do Floo and Prism both sound town

You're going to have to explain this to me. This is his first time even trying to convince me. It took me voting him to get this far after multiple gamedays of trying. He still has not seriously engaged with my content or tried to sort me at all other than the weird non-read he gave in his wall yesterday.

"I am 99% voting you today regardless of what it is. The 1% is that you are doctor."

I mean, you literally said they couldn't convince you

[flow trap]

@flow trap, do you like volcanos? Am I being dumb to consider those two as partners?

Yes & No

If it comes down to Prism v Floo, I'm

highly

requesting Quiet/Spartan to

not

place votes until I do; it will basically have the same outcome but protect against a Spartan+Prism/Floo+Quiet team

This is fine from your perspective, but from our perspective what about a flow trap+floo or prism+flowtrap team?

I fail to see how that changes anything

If it goes
Floo: Prism+Quiet
Prism: Floo+Spartan

I just hammer who isn't my partner

[flow trap]

I'm just going to say, I am leaning Floo at this point

[Prism]

Confirmed not flow trap/Spartan

[flow trap]

While I'm thinking about it, Spartan, you're experienced enough to meta. Review my scumgames. Pull a towngame that isn't Mini Normal 2181 where I hated the table. Extremely stark difference.

It's Elo, you can spare the hour.

Spartan, do this

[Prism]

@Quiet: Also wondering: Why have you chosen to not publicly walk through the meta you did?

[quiet]

Quiet-why were you aiming for voting in 12-24 hours as opposed to something longer?

I wasn’t aiming to vote in 12-24 hours, I was wanting you to wait for 12-24 so we could get Spartian in the house. And floo, too. If floo still hadn’t really said much at that point, I would have been willing to vote with you.

Sorry if that was unclear.

[flow trap]

Spoiler:

@flow trap, do you like volcanos? Am I being dumb to consider those two as partners?

Yes & No

If it comes down to Prism v Floo, I'm

highly

requesting Quiet/Spartan to

not

place votes until I do; it will basically have the same outcome but protect against a Spartan+Prism/Floo+Quiet team

This is fine from your perspective, but from our perspective what about a flow trap+floo or prism+flowtrap team?

I fail to see how that changes anything

If it goes
Floo: Prism+Quiet
Prism: Floo+Spartan

I just hammer who isn't my partner

Also, I might be biased but Prism+Flow makes about as much sense as Prism+Floo

[quiet]

@Quiet: Also wondering: Why have you chosen to not publicly walk through the meta you did?

Would you like me too? Frankly, I find copying and pasting between threads challenging, I think meta reads are generally good ancillary evidence, but not case building in of themselves. I’ve reviewed some games from you and I reviewed what was available from Salsa in the context of a floo read; I took a quick look at floo, but was planning to do so much more before I voted tmmrw, just wanted to see if they would engage in a more causal chat with me first. I also did the Flow Trap alternate form metaread of the game they linked (and was very proud to determine who they were despite our chaos god not telling me their alt’s name. It was very exciting.)

I think I may have briefly glanced at Spartian, but they were also in my list of people to metaread today. But generally, my meta-reads are exactly that; I go read a few games, usually just from the iso perspective, I check their Maf pt if they’ve got it, I check when the flips were, but that’s about it. It’s more sentiment analysis and just general oh man, they post like this usually, or oh man, they post way different here.

If I recall correctly, this is Spartian first game in a while? Or was that floo. This is someone’s first game in a bit.

[quiet]

it’s confirmed at least one scum in either Prism or Floo at this point, given that everyone has posted since the vote was placed. I also agree Prism/floo doesn’t make a ton of sense here, they could win in a lot of different ways that don’t involve this line.

[flow trap]

it’s confirmed at least one scum in either Prism or Floo at this point, given that everyone has posted since the vote was placed. I also agree Prism/floo doesn’t make a ton of sense here, they could win in a lot of different ways that don’t involve this line.

But it was removed?

[quiet]

@spartian, hope things go better for you. I’ll see if I can give a summery of the things I’m most interested in hearing from you about